Marvel Cinematic Universe

Seriously,it's hard to top previous Wolverine,getting a younger actor to play a younger wolverine would be one way around that

Huge Jackedman, one could say.

Next Wolvie can be younger, but more importantly he should be short and short on deodorant.

How exactly does one tell that through the medium of film?

have people wear pegs on their noise

and have him attack bars of soap

Touché

Animate stink lines coming off of him.

But I just mean grungy-looking, as Wolverine's supposed to be.

I stand by my claim that recasting Wolverine so soon after Hugh Jackman's role-defining tenure wouldn't be optimal. The public loved X-23 and claims for more of her, so why on God's green earth wouldn't you simply go with X-23 as the Wolverine of the MCU? It'd neatly dodge possible unfavorable comparisons to Hugh Jackman, add some female representation cred to the MCU and be a refreshing choice with lots of new ground to cover to boot.

Edited by Gaon on Apr 19th 2019 at 6:05:12 AM

I suppose the main problem is that X-23 origin is so tied to Logan's that it's hard to imagine she showing up before him.

And yes, I know Captain Marvel did something similar, but both Carol and Mar-Vell were unknowns before her movie (the latter still is), while Wolverine has been a pop-cultural icon for decades and the origin of X-23 is know public knowledge, so to speak.

I'm sure it is not an impossible hurdle to overcome, but it is a hurdle

Everyone already knows who Wolverine is. You could easily get away with making him a posthumous character.

Edited by LordVatek on Apr 19th 2019 at 9:22:47 AM

Yeah, with how well-known Logan is I think you could very easily skedaddle past this. I can easily see Marvel doing a X-23 movie about her early life and breaking out of the grip of Weapon X (essentially an adaptation of Origins Episode miniseries Innocence Lost) while looking for her mysterious "father" (who wouldn't show up in this first film), so the MCU spends the first movie teasing what the audience wants (i.e Logan) while establishing X-23 as a character of her own to drum up hype for X-23's movies and to keep audiences salivating for a possible Logan appearance/film. This buys them time to establish X-23 and figure out their gameplan (and give more time for Hugh Jackman to fade away, so to speak) before presumably introducing Logan in some sequel to a hypothetical X-23 franchise as a supporting character after the character is well-established.

It's just good franchise-building sense.

Edited by Gaon on Apr 19th 2019 at 6:49:03 AM

As long as they keep the "was once a teenager prostitute" out, I'm game.

Edited by HailMuffins on Apr 19th 2019 at 11:18:45 AM

Even the comics writers seem to want to forget that ever happened.

Marvel had quite a number of female character with "having been a prostitute" as part of their backstory. What were they thinking?

I don't even mind that^note Depending on the execution, but in the case of X-23 it's just nonsensical.

I mean, why would a young girl born and breed to be a killing machine relie on that after escaping? It just feels like pilling misfortune to an already dark backstory for the sake it, rather than improving the plot or establishing character motivation or anything of the sort.

Bad writing, plain and simple. And the fact that it is a pattern shows a lack of respect towards a very real social ill.

I used to be in the "616 Wolverine is short and ugly!" camp but then I realized that despite his appearance and deep-seated personality flaws, Wolverine is a sex icon. Dude's one of Marvel's most prolific f*ckers, and I mean that in a literal sense. He has never, in his life, had trouble getting laid.

Granted, it never ends well, but that's kinda the point. Wolverine has a murdered girlfriend for every day of the year. He has zero trouble finding tomorrow's fridge-filler. Every woman he so much as glances at is in bed with him by next issue.

In light of this, casting him as a handsome devil actually makes more sense.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 19th 2019 at 9:01:45 AM

I think there was one instance of She-Hulk was hitting on him and Logan actually turned her down. Something about that stupid Juggernaut panel I think.

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I’d blame in part Frank Miller, for popularizing “rose above being a prostitute” as a supposed sign a female character is strong back in the 80’s. Black characters get it too, with loads of them having been gangbangers or pimps or drug addicts for ultimately no reason at all.

Miller has a massive madonna-whore complex. The women in his stories are largely either prostitutes or "sexually available" in a gross and exploitative way, or innocent daughter figures who must be protected. And for the latter I can only think of Carrie from TDKR, so even that is more of an exception than anything.

We all know about Frank Miller's propensity for writing prostitutes.

I literally cannot think of a time Frank Millar wrote a woman who wasn't some type of whore. I almost gave up on Batman: Year One when Holly was a prostitute at 13.

They did? Which ones? X-23 is the only one I'm aware of (which is quite surprising given she debuted on a kids show).

This might help. In addition to Laura Kinney, there was Mantis, Copycat, Karen Page, and Typhoid Mary.

IIRC Black Cat was rewritten to be an ex-prostitute as well.

EDIT: My memory is incorrect. Doy.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Apr 19th 2019 at 11:06:36 AM

Carrie Kelly, and that's it, it seems.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 19th 2019 at 10:51:35 AM