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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

RavenWilder Raven Wilder Since: Apr, 2009
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#64151: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:16:20 PM

Frankly, I kinda wish Daredevil had stuck with the Dread Pirate Roberts look he had during the first season.

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#64152: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:18:02 PM

[up][up][up][up]I think that was honestly my favorite line in the show.

That and Shades' "What'chu talkin' about Willis?" during the hostage situation in episode... 10, I think?

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:18:15 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#64153: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:19:09 PM

Getting in a joke about the silliness of the original look has been a tradition since the infamous "What were you expecting? Yellow spandex?" gag.

Actually I'm surprised that isn't a trope name in itself.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#64154: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:19:48 PM

That was a pretty solid look. I can't help but feel like the Daredevil costume is one which could look better if it looked less professional and teched out. Just spraypaint that whole thing dark red— literally, make it look like someone spraypainted the whole thing dark red— and that would work better with the show's lo-fi aesthetic in general.

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edited 23rd Oct '16 10:20:30 PM by Unsung

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#64155: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:29:42 PM

even Thor gets more of a "medieval warrior" aesthetic.

Isn't Thor more or less wearing his costume from when he came back from death (minus the helmut).

And then there's Iron Man. He's more or less wearing his actual costume.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#64156: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:31:35 PM

Iron Man's had a million costumes anyway, and the comics have been moving away from the actual flexible muscles (made of iron) since long, long ago.

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#64157: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:35:57 PM

That's because Iron Man's suit is a cool-looking set of powered armor that's easy to take seriously.

That's ultimately what any superhero costume in live action is concerned with.

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:40:42 PM by Draghinazzo

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64158: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:40:37 PM

Incidentally Affleck Daredevil's costume is quite good as far as superhero costumes go. One of the few times the MCU costume is a downgrade.

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#64159: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:41:39 PM

Luke Cage doesn't even wear his old 'costume' in the comics anymore, in no small part because his costume as Power Man was meant to look like street clothes (except for the tiara, and the chains are borderline since they're specifically weapons). Street clothes of the '70s, bear in mind. That last hoodie he wears on the show does reference the colours, and frankly being riddled with bulletholes pretty much is Luke Cage's costume.

[up]Yeah, it was a cool-looking costume. I like that the new one incorporates armour, but the Affleck suit looked pretty good.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:39:34 PM by Unsung

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#64160: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:01:38 PM

I dunno, the movie costume was always kinda dumb to me just 'cause, if I'm a guy who relies on all of my senses to compensate for my blindness, the last thing I wanna do is vacuum-seal myself in leather.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64161: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:31:03 PM

My main issue with the costume is that it makes Matt look so bulky. Same with the costume for Elektra, btw, the simple black top with the red mask she could pull over her face looked way better simple because it looked like she could actually move in it. But I guess Netflix doesn't have the budget to CGI a costume made out of fabric to make it look solid like the movies did with Black Panther.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#64162: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:50:20 PM

[up] I don't mind it looking bulky, because it looks like it could actually protect him. The Affleck movie outfit looked like it was just made of leather and that was it.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64163: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:58:13 PM

I think what makes the MCU Daredevil costume look awkward is that it's a little too tactical for his position. The details and extra padding on Captain America and Ant-Man's suits make make because they're government agents working on serious missions. An unpadded outfit would be a little more aesthetically appealing for a slick martial artist, but more importantly Daredevil's costume has never been particularly complicated, so it looks excessive. Also, the helmet is a little too long, like Cap's Avenger costume. That doesn't help.

edited 24th Oct '16 12:00:19 AM by AlleyOop

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#64164: Oct 24th 2016 at 12:07:04 AM

Maybe don't make it out of leather, but the simplicity and apparent light weight of Bendevil's suit (despite being made of leather) seem to fit the character better. And I like that you can see how the collar opens, and the mask doesn't join to the rest of the suit. That's not as practical in terms of protection, but it makes a lot of sense in terms of mobility, which is far more relevant to Daredevil, since his best protection is simply not being hit.

Kingpin's suit is literally just that— the lining of a suit. I would have preferred something more fabric-based for Daredevil. It protects against blades, but it still breathes.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#64165: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:52:16 AM

I can only guess what Iron Fist's final costume will look like. Obviously not like a martial arts-themed gigolo like in the comics.

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#64166: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:34:33 AM

Well, I'm usually all for toning it down in the MCU, but in Iron Fist's case, I really want them to go with the yellow mask and the green outfit.

Daredevil's S1 costume did look better, but I felt Claire had a point that he needed some kind of armour. Matt is way too enthusiastic about getting injured.

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#64167: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:03:03 AM

I'd say Iron Fist's will probably look similar to a track suit like Bruce Lee would wear in the movies.

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#64168: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:07:21 AM

I hope Iron Fist looks goofy.

Someone needs to pay the price for Jessica and Luke looking pretty cool in street clothes.

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#64169: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:10:16 AM

Doubt it. We already have a drinking heroine.

And another one gives us more opportunity for SITCOM down the road! Picture it: Tony Stark, COL Danvers, and Jessica Jones having AA meetings and getting up to wacky antics. If Marvel ever gets the X-rights back, we can throw in Wolverine too. And guest stars!

  • Agent May: So I'm not really sure why I'm here since I don't really have a problem.
  • Danvers: Believe me, we've all been there.
  • May: No, I mean it's literally never been a part of my character. I'm just here because someone shoehorned me in after I had drunk sex with a Hydra agent.
  • Logan: Who hasn't?!
  • Stark: I'd like to think I haven't.
  • May: You were a powerful and influential weapons manufacturer before you became Iron Man. Half of the women you've ever had sex with were Hydra agents.
  • Danvers: She's not wrong.
  • Stark: I'd like to think they were just really into my charm.
  • Danvers: What, "Hi, I'm rich and drunk, hold this trophy while I vomit on your shoes?" Yeah, that's very attractive, Tony.
  • Stark: And on that note, my name is Tony Stark and I'm here because I got plastered and decided to pilot the Iron Man while drunk one time when I thought I was dying.
  • May: Oh, we are all vividly aware of that incident.
  • Stark: I've made a lot of terrible decisions under the influence of mind-altering substances. Most of them voluntarily consumed. Carol?
  • Danvers: My name is Carol Danvers and I actually don't know why I'm here because it's been eight years and we're still waiting for my movie to come out. I may or may not even be an alcoholic.
  • Logan: My name is Logan and I'm here because Marvel spent, like, a billion dollars to get the rights to me and they are going to milk this cash cow for all it's worth. I'll also be starring as a main character in Infinity War, Defenders, Guardians of the Galaxy, the Runaways show on Hulu, and the upcoming Power Pack movie that I'm announcing right now.
  • Stark: So you're addicted to crossovers, then?
  • Logan: Oh, don't you start.

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#64170: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:14:42 AM

HAH

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#64172: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:44:53 AM

I never really minded the padding on Daredevil's MCU costume. I know in the comics he gets by with spandex and the justification of "He'll break your jaw before you ever have a chance to pull the trigger", but the suspension of disbelief in a live-action show is a little different than in a comic book. Particularly when, Daredevil: The Series often runs on Reality Ensues and combat pragmatism. I have a much harder time buying that this version of Matt Murdock could run around in spandex and conveniently avoid ever getting shot or beaten up.

And then of course, it's not even just other combatants. I remember the character designer for Young Justice saying they made Robin's suit thicker and more padded than its usually drawn as in the comics, because leaping across rooftops and doing barrel roles and dives on solid concrete leaves the door open for all sorts of accidental collision-related injuries.

edited 24th Oct '16 8:45:23 AM by comicwriter

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#64173: Oct 24th 2016 at 10:00:26 AM

Iron Fist does need at least some sort of 'costume' (even if not a totally comics accurate one, because that high collar would look goofy as shit in live action) otherwise the defenders will be two guys and a girl wearing civvies, hanging around with a dude in ninja armour. It just feels like it would be a bit jarring.

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#64174: Oct 24th 2016 at 10:03:00 AM

-Mildly golf-claps Tobias's usual schtick.-

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#64175: Oct 24th 2016 at 10:06:12 AM

@Tobias: That was beautiful.

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