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#2826: Jun 9th 2021 at 8:27:28 PM

Of course. The reason why Jurassic World can get away with the old designs is because that's how they look like since the franchise begins and genetic technobabble can explain away all the inaccuracies that are present or will be present.

And honestly, the Jurassic Park franchise has always been leaning to the more monster-angle of dinosaurs. Oh sure, they act like animals for the most part but there is no denying that it's the monster aspect that draws us to Jurassic Park. The wonder and terror that dinosaurs bring to the imagination. And it's also why a hybrid dinosaur was necessary for the franchise to evolve. To serve as a reminder that these dinosaurs are not really dinosaurs but rather clones created to thrill and scare audiences with unintentional consequences.

And that's what keeps Jurassic Park a timeless classic. The dinosaurs may become outdated, but the theme of capitalism exploiting a science for profits (rather than helping the world) with no regards to caution or concern is still a relevant theme to this day.

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#2827: Jun 9th 2021 at 10:13:54 PM

So a little more has been revealed about the preview, courtesy of Collider. Spoilers ahoy!

https://collider.com/jurassic-world-3-new-dinosaurs-footage-preview-imax/

The one thing that irks me is the blatant Anachronism Stew here— aside from Tyrannosaurus and Quetzalcoatlus, none of these animals were around 65 million years ago. Oh well. One step forward, another step back.

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Jun 9th 2021 at 1:16:49 PM

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#2828: Jun 9th 2021 at 11:12:36 PM

[up] Artistic License seems to be deliberate on the filmmaker's part and I suspect a reason why...

If you're showing a dinosaur fight that could realistically never happen because of temporal issues, then it's clear the film is breaking the rules to set up something later on in the story that's important. And the fact the rule broken is T. rex vs Giga, it's clear that old Rexy is gonna fight a cloned Giga for Dominion.

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#2829: Jun 10th 2021 at 10:20:42 AM

That doesn't explain the other anachronistic dinosaurs, though.

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#2830: Jun 10th 2021 at 10:55:10 AM

I'm reminded of the Animorphs book where the characters go back in time and have an adventure involving dinosaurs, including a Spinosaurus. When they go back to the future one of them goes to the library to research the dinosaurs they encountered and discovers that, based on the time period they were in, the Spinosaurus should have been long extinct by then.

He ends the book by asking the readers who they believed about that, some scientist using guess work, or him who was actually there.

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#2832: Jun 10th 2021 at 1:25:10 PM

I mean, it could just be a really similar looking dino living at the same timeframe that we found no fossils of. [lol]

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#2833: Jun 10th 2021 at 1:43:57 PM

That was what link basically was.

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#2834: Jun 10th 2021 at 3:05:03 PM

Technically we got a british series telling us how this could happen cool

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#2835: Jun 10th 2021 at 7:57:21 PM

Btw, we have new Jurassic World Evolution game to play.

Now with mainland parks and new dinosaurs.

And a Mosasaurus.

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#2836: Jun 10th 2021 at 8:30:07 PM

[up] Cool grin

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#2837: Jun 18th 2021 at 9:00:30 PM

The new raptor we've been assuming is Deinonychus— the one we have pictures of the animatronic head for— now has an official name. It's actually Atrociraptor.

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#2838: Jun 19th 2021 at 12:38:16 AM

Got to admit, not entirely sure why it couldn't just be a Deinonychus but at least it's a pre-existing species not another hybrid.

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#2839: Jun 19th 2021 at 8:29:49 AM

Jurassic Park Velociraptors are basically Deinonychus in size and build already.

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#2840: Jun 19th 2021 at 8:40:00 AM

As is the Atrociraptor, which is kind of my point. The only real difference is that by introducing an entirely new species they get to sidestep the issue re: feathered raptors.

Deinonychus, Velociraptor and Atrociraptor were all most likely at least partially feathered but the Grandfather Clause of JP's original "Velociraptors" being featherless has stopped it being an issue before.

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#2841: Nov 8th 2021 at 10:03:01 PM

So I found a rather amusing post on DeviantArt pointing out that, despite its reputation, most of the T. rex's onscreen kills have been rather underwhelming for a supposed apex predator.

In the first movie, Rexy eats a goat, a lawyer, a Gallimimus, and two Velociraptors, all of which are much smaller than she is. In the second movie, the male T. rex who gets loose in San Diego eats a bunch of random tourists (and one dog). And in the third movie, well. . . we all know what happened there.

In Jurassic World, Rexy makes her return to fight the Indominus Rex, but it has her on the ropes for most of the fight and the Mosasaurus is ultimately the one who kills it, so it doesn't really count. The only actual kill Rexy is seen making in the movie is, again, a goat during the feeding show.

Finally, in Fallen Kingdom, she kills a Carnotaurus that was threatening Owen and Claire— this is the first time she's seen killing another large dinosaur, but even then the Carnotaurus is only half her size.

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Nov 8th 2021 at 1:05:35 PM

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#2842: Nov 9th 2021 at 1:05:55 AM

Which to be fair, is exactly what a real predator would likely do. They would go after the easiest possible prey if possible.

In the books at least Rexy took down a parasaur and a young sauropod as well IIRC which would be more "standard" prey. Though Book Rexy also apparently had a craving for crunchy human nuggets too.

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#2843: Nov 9th 2021 at 10:46:28 AM

[up][up] They make up for it by destroying all those cars and trucks though. And several walls.

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#2844: Nov 9th 2021 at 1:18:13 PM

Fossil evidence seems to indicate that T-Rexes were build to hunt larger, slower moving prey so they likely wouldn't have been interested in going after small, speedy creatures like humans or gallimimus.

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#2845: Nov 9th 2021 at 1:24:37 PM

I recall even in Lost World the rexes were chasing people primarily in response to their infant being stolen or their territory compromised.

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#2846: Nov 9th 2021 at 1:35:06 PM

The park's T. rex is a mutant that can run 32 miles per hour. The historical T. rex based on fossil evidence could barely do half of that. Slower prey was their domain.

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#2847: Nov 9th 2021 at 3:50:14 PM

Should be noted that Rexy wasn’t hunting during the Paddock Breakout. Rather, she was investigating a new territory to claim for herself and only attacked the jeep when it appears to be blinding her with its flashlight.

Even the Jeep chase later on could be interpreted as Rexy driving off a rival from her territory.

Edited by Shadao on Nov 9th 2021 at 3:50:33 AM

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#2848: Nov 9th 2021 at 9:50:14 PM

[up] Also note how she stops giving chase after the Jeep is far away enough, pretty simple behavioral change since the possible rival has been driven off, not unlike how non-lethal territorial disputes tend to end.

Yeah, Rexy is the prime example of a Non-Malicious Monster: Stay out of her territory and she'll have no interest to chase down puny humans. Hell, some even theorize that since we've seen that she clearly can see unmoving objects in later instalments, that the real reason she didn't maul everyone immediately on the first film is because she was cold from the rain and uninterested since she had a full stomach.

Edited by VengefulBale on Nov 9th 2021 at 11:51:16 AM

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#2849: Nov 10th 2021 at 12:06:58 AM

In the novel Rexy was very determined to eat her some tasty humans, specifically Tim and Lex apparently.

It's a good book but I honestly feel like the (first) film is better.

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#2850: Nov 10th 2021 at 5:53:54 AM

IIRC, the novel also explained her movement-based vision as a consequence of her chimera genes, rather than a standard T-Rex feature. The Isla Sorna Rexes have no such defect, which Dodgson (the guy who paid off Nedry) learned the hard way.

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