DEATH BATTLE

It's actually something the Thu'um can do, but unfortunately doesn't translate well into gameplay.

He also kills dragons by stabbing them a lot, hitting them with enough magic, and/or shooting enough arrows at them. Feats technically anyone can do, but the problem with that being obvious. He's the only that can make sure they stay dead since he eats their soul afterword.

^ Well that depends. Would most people expect him to lose that fight? If yes, then by Death Battle standards he fulfills every condition needed to win.

edited 14th May '15 5:12:26 PM by Spirit

Ok, mundane stuff works. Link defeats dragons by stabbing them in the back of the neck, or smashing their heads with a hammer, so that isn't farfetched.

So, assuming a Nord Dragonborn with Daedric Armour vs the same Link we saw against Cloud, I think the match would be close. Pretty much a question of whether Link can overcome the armour or not.

There also the issue of lore vs gameplay with his weapons, should the Dragonborn be using any of the Daedric artifacts.

Well that depends. Are we going with the WMG that the Dragonborn has CHIM? If so then there is no difference between lore or gameplay.

Wouldn't CHIM just make the Dragonborn a straight-up Reality Warper?

Daedric armour isn't even the strongest equipment. IIRC, Dragonbone armour is.

edited 14th May '15 9:37:38 PM by Arawn999

By "lore," we should be talking about or at least primarily including in-game information, like the stuff in books or what the NP Cs tell you about.

So, for instance, the Daedric artifacts have abilities that the player is told about, can read about or are otherwised warned about that are simply not used - or which are channeled in specific ways / are given gameplay caveats so as to not be totally unfair. Likewise, as a Dragonborn the player has abilities that that - given how they would break gameplay - they cannot use. This comes up in the fight against Miraak, who as a boss is allowed to do a bit more.

CHIM is a different concept from that (it essentially allows as much to be canon as humanly possible, including both game breaking stuff, continuity issues within the games themselves, and EU stuff). So... yeah. It's reality warper powers made to explain why everything is still possible.

edited 14th May '15 10:16:55 PM by KnownUnknown

I don't know much about LoZ. Does Link have anything that could counter the Dragonborn just using the Slow Time shout and stabbing him a bunch before he can lift a finger?

edited 15th May '15 4:31:09 AM by Slouch

The only thing I can think of that could work against the slow time shout would be Nayru's Love. It's a spell that gives the user immunity to pretty much anything you can throw at it for a short amount of time.

Now this would require Link to cast the spell before the dragonborn can take advantage of the slowed time.

Depends on which Link, I think some of them could stop/slow time but not sure

How long does the spell take to cast, and is Link likely to start the battle by using it?

Death battle Link is a Composite Character of all the previous Links, don't forget.

^^Depends on player

@Slouch: The casting time for the goddess spells are strange. If I recall, time apparently stops for Link for the majority of the spell's casting animation, though this might be due to hardware issues or something.

In terms of actual casting times, sans what I said earlier, Link takes about 5 seconds to get Nayru's Love out. The spell itself lasts for a minute.

TES Dragons don't have huge glowing weak spots, so Link doesn't stand a chance against them.

Now here's a question: will we use standard equipment Link like in Link vs Cloud, or will we allow him to have all of his items and abilities from across the games? I feel like he'd need everything he can get in order for it to be a fair match.

Didn't stop him from killing Cloud.

No glowing weak spots?

You mean he can hit them anywhere and it'll do damage? Easiest boss fight ever.

Would the Dragonborn be able to summon Durnehviir or Odahviing?

Without item boosts or increased level, the Dragonborn can carry up to 300lbs easily, so that already puts him/her above item-less Link in terms of strength. Assuming this is a dragonborn that chose to excel at swords and shiz instead of magic, he'd probably be able to walk around with upwards of 600lbs.

Regardless of which version of the dragonborn you use, he'll/she'll have access to shouts. A slow time, or unrelenting force should be fight-enders on their own. There's also the Dragon Aspect shout which not only makes his/her armor over twice as strong, but boosts the power of his/her shouts, makes his/her attacks stronger and summons a previous dragonborn to aid him/her.

This doesn't seem at all like a fair fight to me.

DB is pretty inconsistent on what they consider outside help (what a surprise) but Durnehvir and Odahviing are hard to describe as anything but "outside help". So they should be excluded.

Odahviing is outside help, but Durnehviir is literally the dragonborn pulling him into his world to fight. I was iffy on that one.

If Durnehviir is out, wouldn't that mean a Dragonborn that chose to excel in summonings is automatically out?

I'd say not. Most conjuration is simply summoning familiars and such. Dragons are explicitly their own entity and can choose not to heed a dragonborn's call. It's just a matter of pride that they do.

So Odahviing and Durnehviir are out. Skeletons, astronachs, ash guardians and such are okay. Daedra thralls are a borderline case.

edited 15th May '15 8:20:19 AM by Spirit

The thing is, unlike Odahviing, Durnehviir is a summoned creature. He doesn't choose to come out of the Soul Cairn since he normally can't. It's the Dragonborn that rips him out of it with the call.

Him aside, a hilarious shout the Dragonborn could use is Disarm, making Link drop his entire armory.

The Dragonborn just has too many options.

And I think we've hit the underlining problem with the Dragonborn; just how the hell do you convey him/her in a Death Battle setting?

On another note, how would a DB of Samurai Jack vs Fuhrer Bradley play out?

Jack has the advantage since he can fly jump good.

The underlying problem with the dragonborn vs Link is Shouts make the fight completely lopsided. Doubly so if it's a magically-inclined or stealthy dragonborn.