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#249051: Jul 12th 2018 at 1:28:54 PM

A lot of it is due to states rejecting the expansion of Medicaid under Obamacare as part of their reactionary stance against it. Naturally, their poorer citizens have worse healthcare as a result. Even with insurance, a severe health issue can be unaffordable for many people.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#249052: Jul 12th 2018 at 1:43:24 PM

RE: Rosenstein's request for volunteers

As I pointed out in another forum, this serves dual purposes.

First is gathering - and sorting through - a lot more documentation than they otherwise would be able to manage, which serves both those wanting to confirm him and those wanting to oppose him.

Second is that, by doing so, it will also be done more quickly - which would enable the confirmation hearings to begin earlier than otherwise with a minimum of clashing between parties, as complaints about it being "rushed" would be muted, and the opposition would have more info to work with (see above). I'm sure this is part of how he's framing it for the GOP if they question him over the unusual request.

And with Cortes - it was literally 9 votes out of 22 cast that got her that "win" in the Reform Party.

Then it emerged on Tuesday that in a Reform party write-in primary in the Bronx, of 22 votes cast, Ocasio-Cortez was the winner with nine votes, an unusual event. The result was certified by the city’s board of elections.

So cute story, but I don't blame her for staying in her own District for that one tongue

Edited by ironballs16 on Jul 12th 2018 at 1:44:10 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
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#249053: Jul 12th 2018 at 2:24:03 PM

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/nato-summit-all-the-lies-trump-told-about-his-performance-in-brussels.html

You know, when past presidents gave speeches, I could usually trust them enough to think that most of what they said was factually correct, or at least within a general range of acceptable accuracy. With Trump, I find myself automatically searching up a fact-checking article to see exactly what he's lying about and by how much.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#249054: Jul 12th 2018 at 4:47:11 PM

@LSBK: That can't be true. The Republicans are the party of family values, they'd never force a family to choose between marriage and healthcare!

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#249055: Jul 12th 2018 at 5:02:28 PM

[up][up][up] actually, according to the NYT, this would most likely hold up the confirmation process.

Thread:

Reminder: Trump’s narcissistic personality disorder compels him to try to make Putin’s election interference a positive somehow.

Attacking NATO and then applauding Putin is entirely the plan.

Trump is actively working to diminish everyone BUT Putin while lifting Putin up.

Trump will spray his insane brain vomit all over NATO throughout this week’s summit.

He will then go and make a hugely exaggerated show of his mtgs w Putin to try to cast him as a reasonable, wonderful partner.

Per my pinned thread, Trump is incapable of doing otherwise.

His compulsions are immutable.

They aren’t the product of reasoning or judgment; they can’t be changed through reasoning or discussion.

Trump is a bottomless pit of emotional needs with virtually no intelligence in the programming.

He’s a purely self-interested bot.

NATO is in a no-win position this week.

If they acquiesce, they lose. If they stand firm, they lose.

The best option is to merely get through this summit by de-escalating the conflict thus neutering its headline value.

If they had next-level narcissist-management pro skills though they would:

1) Pretend things had gone swimmingly this week 2) Make a big show of saying Trump clearly loves NATO and thus the reporting of conflicts is just silly

...and lastly - and this would be delicious...

3) Pit Trump’s narcissism against itself.

At the close of the meeting, make a big show of NATO leaders saying its wonderful Trump is meeting with Putin because the world would lavish him with praise if he can get Putin to right his wrongs.

If NATO puts him in a position where he has competing interests... an opportunity for praise on one side and a drive to avoid shame on the other, he’ll short-circuit.

In that position, he wouldn’t be able to ally with Putin over NATO because he would look as if he was too weak to pull off what a hero could have...

...and he wouldn’t be able to torch Putin because that undermines the legitimacy of his own election.

A narcissist with only one agenda is like a rabid dog on the scent of some meat. Sick, focused and dangerous.

A narcissist with competing interests that make serving both impossible is a lost dog. Not sure where to go. Growls. Runs. Growls. Runs... but mostly runs.

If NATO leaves Trump in a position where he can make them look like the bad guys while Putin looks reasonable, this is going to go badly.

If they leave him in a position where he stands to face embarrassment if he doesn’t come back as the West’s hero, they’ll go well.

This is the way it is with severe narcissists. The situation, facts and logic don’t matter.

It is always a game of managing their narcissistic impulses to avoid shame and seek adoration.

If you’re on the right side of those impulses, you win. If not, buckle your seatbelt. <end>

Edited by megaeliz on Jul 12th 2018 at 8:12:08 AM

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#249056: Jul 12th 2018 at 6:10:54 PM

[up]

I know - but again, Rosenstein can present it as wanting to get as much information as possible, in as short a time possible, so that the Senate can thus move into confirmation proceedings in a timely fashion.

[down]

Because he kind of has to, unfortunately. Even if he shouldn't, you know he'll be questioned about devoting so many resources to gathering documents involving Kavanaugh, and it's better to have answers ready rather than be caught flat-footed.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jul 12th 2018 at 11:00:08 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#249057: Jul 12th 2018 at 6:48:28 PM

[up] I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here, exactly.

I think you're saying that Rosenstein, if quesioned on his unusual move by Republicans, will include that in his defense of it, but why take it in the first place?

Edited by megaeliz on Jul 12th 2018 at 10:00:10 AM

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#249058: Jul 12th 2018 at 6:57:45 PM

On terrorism the first Rainbow Six when it was a hardcore simulation said in the manual that terrorism is defined as, "The calculated use of violence or threat of violence to achieve financial political or ideological goals." 9/11 in the calculated use of violence to forcibly impose a twisted version of Islam and force foreigners out of the Middle East was certainly a act of terror in that it was for an ideological goal, and a Animal Wrongs Group spiking trees or burning down shelters would be considered terrorism because it is the calculated use of violence for a political or ideological goal.

Fanaticism however cut both ways as Ring of Fire demonstrate. Here Tomi Lahren said how using the supreme court justice to carry out religious judicial activism is a mistake and unconstitutional. Somehow I think the comment was misread in that Lahren was saying the claim this happened is a mistake rather than the act itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWngZiuVsiI

That did not stop Trumpementalists from kicking and screaming on the floor like Rick & Morty's hot sauce had run out. They lost their collective minds over this. Now is it going to reach the point where Republicans are going to slit their wrists and bleed for Trump in an act of fundamentalist fanaticism and Trump Jihad or are we too late and such acts have already happened?

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#249059: Jul 12th 2018 at 8:57:18 PM

In 2015 after Freddie Grey's death in the back of a police van and the protests that followed, Baltimore police had a sudden drop in police reported crime, preceding a spike of violence in the city.

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BALTIMORE – Just before a wave of violence turned Baltimore into the nation’s deadliest big city, a curious thing happened to its police force: officers suddenly seemed to stop noticing crime.

Police officers reported seeing fewer drug dealers on street corners. They encountered fewer people who had open arrest warrants.

Police questioned fewer people on the street. They stopped fewer cars.

In the space of just a few days in spring 2015 – as Baltimore faced a wave of rioting after Freddie Gray, a black man, died from injuries he suffered in the back of a police van – officers in nearly every part of the city appeared to turn a blind eye to everyday violations. They still answered calls for help. But the number of potential violations they reported seeing themselves dropped by nearly half. It has largely stayed that way ever since.

“What officers are doing is they’re just driving looking forward. They’ve got horse blinders on,” says Kevin Forrester, a retired Baltimore detective.

The surge of shootings and killings that followed has left Baltimore easily the deadliest large city in the United States. Its murder rate reached an all-time high last year; 342 people were killed. The number of shootings in some neighborhoods has more than tripled. One man was shot to death steps from a police station. Another was killed driving in a funeral procession.

What's happening in Baltimore offers a view of the possible costs of a remarkable national reckoning over how police officers have treated minorities.

Starting in 2014, a series of racially charged encounters in Ferguson, Missouri; Chicago; Baltimore; and elsewhere cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics toward black people. Since then, cities have been under pressure to crack down on abuses by law enforcement.

So has the U.S. Justice Department. During the Obama administration, the department launched wide-ranging civil rights investigations of troubled police forces, then took them to court to compel reforms. Under President Donald Trump, Washington has largely given up that effort. "If you want crime to go up, let the ACLU run the police department," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said at a gathering of police officials in May. Whether that scrutiny would cause policing to suffer – or crime to rise – has largely remained an open question.

In Baltimore, at least, the effect on the city's police force was swift and substantial.

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent.

“Immediately upon the riot, policing changed in Baltimore, and it changed very dramatically,” says Donald Norris, an emeritus professor at the University of Maryland Baltimore County, who reviewed USA TODAY's analysis. “The outcome of that change in policing has been a lot more crime in Baltimore, especially murders, and people are getting away with those murders.”

Police officials acknowledge the change. "In all candor, officers are not as aggressive as they once were, pre-2015. It’s just that fact," says acting Police Commissioner Gary Tuggle, who took command of Baltimore's police force in May.

Tuggle blames a shortage of patrol officers and the fallout from a blistering 2016 Justice Department investigation that found the city's police regularly violated residents' constitutional rights and prompted new limits on how officers there carry out what had once been routine parts of their job. At the same time, he says, police have focused more of their energy on gun crime and less on smaller infractions.

"We don’t want officers going out, grabbing people out of corners, beating them up and putting them in jail," Tuggle says. "We want officers engaging folks at every level. And if somebody needs to be arrested, arrest them. But we also want officers to be smart about how they do that."

The change has left a perception among some police officers that people in the city are free to do as they please. And among criminals, says Mahogany Gaines, whose brother, Dontais, was found shot to death inside his apartment in October.

On a sticky morning in May, the Rev. Rodney Hudson slips on a black “Sermonator” T-shirt and walks down the street from his west Baltimore church, a gray stone edifice two blocks from where police arrested Gray. A few days earlier, a drug crew from another neighborhood set up camp on the corner across the street. Hudson says the dealers nearly got into a gunfight with the crew that usually works across from the elementary school down the block.

Since Gray’s death, at least 41 people have been shot within a short walk of Hudson’s church.

“Drug dealers are taking control of the corners and the police’s hands are tied,” Hudson says. “We have a community that is afraid.”

Two blocks away, Mayor Catherine Pugh and a knot of city officials are under a tent on an empty lot to break ground for a group of new townhouses. Police officers linger on the streets, and a helicopter swirls overhead. But three blocks down Pennsylvania Avenue, drug crews still appear to be at work. Shouts of “hard body” – one of the drug cocktails on offer – ring clearly. Another man shouts a warning as Hudson and a reporter approach.

Drug dealers have worked Baltimore’s street corners for decades. But Hudson says it has been years since he has seen so many young men selling so brazenly in so many places. Dealers, he says, “are taking advantage” of a newly timid police force.

At least 150 people have been killed in Baltimore this year.

Ebony Owens’ son, Decorey Horne, 20, was shot to death in 2016 in a parked car along the narrow street behind his aunt’s house. Another man who was with him was shot but survived. Eleven months later, the father of Owens' youngest son, Sherman Carrothers, was found dead outside his house with a gunshot wound. He was one of four people shot in the city that night.

Owens grew up in Baltimore and knew the city could be dangerous. But this, she says, is different:

“I don’t remember it being like this.” 'These guys aren't stupid'

By almost any measure, this has been a troubled time for Baltimore’s police force.

It began in April 2015, when officers in west Baltimore chased Gray, arrested him for possession of what they said was an illegal switchblade and loaded him into the back of a police van, handcuffed but without a seatbelt. By the time Gray left the van, he was in a coma. He died a week later. Protests followed, then riots. Prosecutors charged six police officers for Gray’s death but abandoned the case after three were acquitted.

The next year, the Justice Department’s civil rights arm accused Baltimore’s police of arresting thousands of people without a valid legal basis, using unjustified force and targeting black neighborhoods for unconstitutional stops. Investigators quoted a detective who said he saw officers plant drugs on a suspect, and a patrol officer who said his job was to “be the baddest (expletive) out there.”

This year, eight officers in an elite anti-gun unit were convicted in a corruption scandal that included robbing drug dealers and carrying out illegal stops and searches. One officer testified that a supervisor told them to carry replica guns they could plant on suspects. Another officer was indicted in January after footage from his body camera showed him acting out finding drugs in an alley. The city’s new police commissioner, Darryl De Sousa, resigned in May after federal prosecutors charged him with failing to pay his income taxes.

For civil rights lawyers and federal investigators, those episodes offer evidence of a police force in trouble and too often willing to trample the rights of minorities.

But some officers drew a different lesson: “Officers no longer put themselves on the firing line,” says Victor Gearhart, a retired lieutenant who supervised the overnight shift in Baltimore’s southern district before he was pushed out of the department for referring to Black Lives Matter activists as “thugs” in an email.

“These guys aren’t stupid. They realize that if they do something wrong, they’re going to get their head bit off. There’s no feeling that anybody’s behind them anymore, and they’re not going to do it,” he says. “Nobody wants to put their head in the pizza oven when the pizza oven is on.”

Gearhart and other officers say no one ordered them to make fewer stops or take fewer risks. "We didn't have to tell them," he says. "We just said these are the facts, this is the situation, and if you want to risk your career, have at it."

That reaction fits a wider pattern. Nearly three-quarters of police officers who responded to a Pew Research Center survey last year said high-profile incidents had left them less willing to stop and question people who seem suspicious. Even more said the incidents had made their jobs harder.

It has also drawn scorn from civil rights advocates, who scoff at the idea that police can’t protect both the city and the rights of its residents.

“What it says is that if you complain about the way the police do our job, maybe we’ll just lay back and not do it as hard,” says Jeffery Robinson, a deputy legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union, which had advocated for an overhaul of police agencies in Baltimore and elsewhere. “If it’s true, if that’s what officers are doing, they should be fired.” A sudden change

To track the change in Baltimore, USA TODAY examined 5.1 million police dispatches from 2013 to 2017.

They show that even before Gray died, the number of encounters Baltimore officers initiated on their own was dropping.

But in the weeks after the 25-year-old’s death – after protests erupted into riots, and the National Guard came and left – the number of incidents police reported themselves plummeted.

Where once it was common for officers to conduct hundreds of car stops, drug stops and street encounters every day, on May 4, 2015, three days after city prosecutors announced that they had filed charges against six officers over Gray’s death, the number fell to just 79. The average number of incidents police reported themselves dropped from an average of 460 a day in March to 225 a day in June of that year, even though summer weather typically brings higher crime. By the end of last year, it was lower still.

At the same time, violence in the city leapt to historic highs. Police recorded more than 200 murders and assaults involving guns in May 2015, triple the number in March.

Criminologists who reviewed the records say it’s impossible to determine whether that rapid change played a role in the city’s rising crime, but some found the pattern troubling.

“The cops are being less proactive at the same time violence is going up,” says Peter Moskos, a John Jay College of Criminal Justice professor and former Baltimore officer who reviewed USA TODAY’s data and analysis. “Cops are doing as requested: lessening racial disparity, lessening complaints, lessening police-involved shootings. All those numbers are just great right now, and if those are your metrics of success, we’re winning. The message has clearly gotten out to not commit unnecessary policing.”

Neither the mayor nor Kevin Davis, the city’s police commissioner until January, responded to questions about the changes.

Anthony Barksdale, a retired Baltimore police commander, says the message to officers was unmistakable.

“These guys have family members who tell them 'Don’t go to work and chase people for a city that doesn’t care about you,'” he says. “If I’m riding down the street and I see an incident, I see it, but you know what? It’s not worth it. That’s what these cops are thinking.”

Trumps' director of legislative affairs Marc Short is leaving to join a DC consulting firm and teach at the University of Virginia.

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President Donald Trump’s legislative affairs director is heading for the exits just as the White House gears up for a major Supreme Court nomination battle and approaches a daunting midterm election landscape.

Marc Short, one of the administration’s longest-serving senior aides and a frequent spokesperson for the president on television, is planning to depart by July 20, according to a person familiar with the plans.

Short, who declined to comment on the record, is taking a position at Guidepost Strategies consulting firm and will teach at the University of Virginia’s business school, where he received his MBA, and will also serve as a senior fellow at the university’s Miller Center.

Short took the job as Trump’s top liaison to Capitol Hill after serving as a senior aide to Vice President Mike Pence on the 2016 campaign. A veteran of Republican politics, Short was seen as an establishment voice within the decidedly anti-establishment administration. He was in the center of Trump’s key legislative fights, from the failed attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act to the rewrite of the tax code and the marathon efforts to reshape the judiciary.

Unlike past legislative affairs chiefs, Short took on a significant media profile, regularly appearing on cable news and Sunday shows to defend the White House and advocate for the president. But unlike other White House faces, from former press secretary Sean Spicer to counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway, Short largely managed to avoid making the type of controversial statements or embarrassing gaffes that have become commonplace in Trump’s orbit. Like other former officials, Short may continue to make television appearances.

At Guidepost, Short will serve as a partner alongside Phil Cox, a former executive director of the Republican Governors Association, and Marie Sanderson, who was policy director at RGA. The firm does consulting, lobbying and communications for an array of corporate and nonprofit clients, including the tobacco company Reynolds American, pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly, BMW and the American Petroleum Institute. Short himself will not be doing any lobbying.

“Marc brings that unique combination of policy depth and political expertise, which is a hallmark of our firm,” Cox said in a statement to POLITICO. “Marie and I are excited to have him join our team.”

Short is slated to begin his fellowship at UVA on Aug. 1.

“It’s an honor for me to welcome Marc Short to the Miller Center," Miller Center director William Antholis said in a statement to POLITICO. “Marc is widely respected in both parties. We had the privilege of getting to know Marc through the presidential transition and the Trump Administration’s first year, and have been impressed by his professionalism, effectiveness, and collegiality.”

Short is among a large cadre of senior White House staff members to leave before the president’s two-year mark, as Trump’s White House has seen an unprecedented level of staff turnover. Already, Trump has cycled through a chief of staff, deputy chief of staff, four communications directors, a press secretary, a chief strategist, two national security advisers and a number of midlevel aides.

FOX News' Chris Wallace will be getting an interview with Putin shortly after the summit between Trump and Putin.

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Fox News anchor Chris Wallace will sit down with Vladimir Putin for an exclusive interview on Monday following the Russian leader's summit with President Trump in Helsinki, Finland, according to the network.

The interview "will focus on the summit, Syria, Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election, arms control and where Putin sees Russia’s place in the world," Fox News added.

The interview will be Putin's first with Wallace, who started in media more than 50 years ago at CBS and currently serves as the host of "Fox News Sunday." It will also mark the Russian president and former KBG officer's first interview with an American television outlet since March, when NBC's Megyn Kelly interviewed him at the Kremlin.

Trump told reporters in Brussels after the end of the NATO summit on Thursday that the "ultimate" deal the U.S. could reach with Putin would be for the end of nuclear weapons programs worldwide.

“What would be the ultimate? Let’s see. No more nuclear weapons anywhere in the world, no more wars, no more problems, no more conflicts. ... That would be my ultimate," Trump said, according to Reuters.

Trump has said on multiple occasions that better relations with Russia, despite meddling in the 2016 presidential elections, would ultimately be better for both countries.

Trump during the news conference also said he would raise election meddling with the Russian leader called Putin a “competitor,” adding that “he’s not my enemy.”

“Is he a friend? No, I don't know him well enough. But the couple of times that I've gotten to meet him, we got along well... I hope we get along well.”

“I think I could have a very good relationship with President Putin,” Trump said in April. “There is also a great possibility that that won’t happen. Who knows, OK?”

“I think we’ll be able to have great dialogue, I hope,” the president said. “Remember this — getting along with Russia is a good thing.”

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#249060: Jul 13th 2018 at 5:59:18 AM

[up] isn't Chris Wallace is relatively sane, right?

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#249061: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:01:45 AM

So, trump stabbed Theresa May and the English government in the back yesterday. Just after Teresa may rolled out the red carpet treatment for him, an interview that Trump gave with the tabloid The Sun came out. In said interview trump talk dismissively about May, said he thought that her political rival Boris Johnson would make a great prime minister, and trashed how she was going about Brexit. Oh and he said that if she didn’t change how she was trying to conduct Brexit, he might not for me any kind of bilateral deal with England which they will desperately need due to the reduction in trade with the EU.

The interview was an audio one, so his quotes are there for everyone to hear in his own voice. This came just after he talked about needing to form a stronger ties with England.

Oh and he also said that immigrants and refugees were “changing the character of Europe in a bad way “just in case anybody had any doubts that he is in fact a Nazi.

Agent orange is going so far above and beyond the demands that Putin had made of him he’s certainly going to be Moscow’s employee of the month.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#249062: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:08:35 AM

[up]x3 I don't know why Chris is bothering. All Putin's going to do is give coy answers, criticize the U.S., and deny Russian meddling, just like the Megyn Kelly interview.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#249063: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:10:48 AM

[up][up][up]Not sure, don't watch FOX News. If someone else can chime in, that would be great.

Body cam footage from back in March has been released of Arizona state Representative Paul Mosley in a traffic stop after going 96 mph in a 55, bragging about going to almost 150 and claiming he has legislative immunity from said speeding ticket due to an Arizona state law which prevents lawmakers from getting arrested, except in cases of treason, felony, or breach of peace, or from getting into any civil process during the legislative session or 15 days prior; Mosley has since apologized on his Facebook page.

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An elected state House representative for Arizona’s 5th District, Paul Mosley, bragged to a sheriff’s deputy that he drives at speeds of up to 140 miles per hour, claiming legislative immunity.

The interaction took place at around 4:30 p.m. on March 27th, 2018, according to public records, when Mosley (R-Lake Havasu City) was pulled over by a La Paz County Sheriff’s Deputy just north of Parker, AZ allegedly doing 97 mph.

According to the deputy’s report, Mosley was swerving in and out of traffic passing vehicles on State Route 95 north of Resort Drive. Radar indicated that the vehicle’s speed was 97 mph in a 55 mph zone.

When he pulled Mosley over, the deputy said that he saw Mosley waving something out the driver’s side window. When the deputy got out of his patrol vehicle and made contact with Mosley on the passenger side, he said it turned out that Mosley had been showing him a placard which indicated that he was an elected state representative, and reportedly told the deputy that he shouldn’t waste his time processing a citation because he has legislative immunity.

“I explained the reason for the stop to Mosley and asked if there was any reason he was traveling so fast,” the deputy said in his written report. “I informed Mosley that 97 mph in a 55 mph zone is considered criminal speed. Mosley stated he was just in a hurry to get home to surprise his family in Lake Havasu City, Arizona. Mosley also told me that I should just let him go and that I shouldn’t waste anymore of my time dealing with him due to his immunity as a government official.”

Legislative immunity is designed to protect lawmakers from targeted attempts to keep them from voting on essential state matters. According to Arizona state law:

  • “Members of the legislature shall be privileged from arrest in all cases except treason, felony, and breach of the peace, and they shall not be subject to any civil process during the session of the legislature, nor for fifteen days next before the commencement of each session. (Article IV, part 2, section 6.).”

After leaving Mosley to run his driver’s license, the deputy walked back to Mosley’s vehicle and told him to watch his speed, reminding him of how fast he was going.

On video captured by the officer’s body camera (embedded above), Mosley is heard saying he drives at “120, 130.” The officer replies, “Really?” Mosley laughs back, saying, “Yeah, this goes 140. That’s what I like about it.”

The lawmaker was talking about the Lexus LS 400 he was driving at the time of the stop, and went on to say he usually drives more slowly in his Toyota Prius, which has been in the garage. The deputy asked for clarification on what Mosley was saying.

“You were driving 130 earlier, you said?” the deputy asked.

“Yeah, I go 130, 140, 120. I come down I-10, I was going 120 almost, you know, if there was no traffic,” Mosley said.

Deputy: “The, the purpose? You just can, so you do?”

Mosley: “Well, no, it’s, it’s, like, I’m trying to surprise my wife, [inaudible] as long as it’s, you know, as long as it’s safe, but… I don’t even notice that I’m going very fast because of this, you know, car just, you know, nice wheels, nice, you know, suspension, but… Yeah I mean, I don’t, I don’t break the law because I can, but because I, [inaudible]…”

Deputy: “Just trying to get home, a hundred and thirty.”

“Well,” Mosley said, shrugging.

“Okay. Well your logic is flawed for me,” the deputy replied. “I see too many accidents. That’s, that’s not safe.”

“And you’ve never sped in your life, I’m sure,” Mosley responded.

“I absolutely have, but not 130, 120, not even in this thing,” the deputy said, gesturing to his patrol vehicle.

“What? Does it have a governor on it?” Mosley asked.

The deputy then ended the conversation quickly, saying he wasn’t going to lecture Mosley further. He told him to have a good day and walked away without further interaction.

“Seeing that my conversation about safe driving was going nowhere,” the deputy wrote, “Mosley was allowed to continue on his way without incident.”

The La Paz County Sheriff’s Department issued a press release Thursday saying that the deputy had acted properly, checking with his department regarding legislative immunity and then forwarding the matter to the La Paz County Attorney’s Office for a proper review.

“The La Paz County Sheriff’s Office, like all Arizona law enforcement agencies, follow and enforce Arizona Revised Statutes,” the release reads. “In the recent traffic stop that was conducted on the Arizona Representative, the La Paz County Deputy was provided with information that the State was currently in Legislative Session. The Deputy acted properly during the traffic stop then forwarded the traffic offense to the County Attorney’s Office for review.”

Mosley, a Republican member of the Arizona House of Representatives, made news in 2017 after he said that there should be no compulsory education, and he says he wants to repeal an Arizona law that mandates that young people attend school.

He was first elected in 2016 and is up for re-election this year.

Parker Live reached out to the La Paz County Attorney’s Office to ask if there is any intention to pursue the incident legally. County Attorney Tony Rogers sent back this reply:

“I did receive that report, but because Mr. Mosley represents La Paz County, to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, I requested that our state representative, APAAC (Arizona Prosecuting Attorneys’ Association Council), find another agency to review the report.”

Elizabeth Ortiz at APAAC told Parker Live that the Cochise County Attorney’s Office has agreed to review the matter:

“The La Paz County Attorney’s Office did refer this matter to APAAC, and asked me to identify another jurisdiction to take it over. The Cochise County Attorney’s Office agreed to take over this matter and it was sent to that office for review. I do not know what, if any, decisions have been made by the Cochise office, as I do not track that type of information.”

Cochise County Attorney Brian Mc Intyre told Parker Live Thursday that he is reviewing the matter:

“A complaint has not yet been filed. I do not believe the ethical rules permit me to say whether I intend to charge the matter or not, however. I am able to say that it will be reviewed consistent with our ethical obligations and a charging decision will be made as time and resources permit.”

The Arizona Fraternal Order of Police announced Thursday it has withdrawn its political endorsement of Mosley.

“Rep. Mosley’s recklessness, his demeanor and his utter disregard for the safety of the public represent the exact opposite of what the Arizona Fraternal Order of Police looks for in an elected official,” said John Ortolano, president of the organization.

UPDATE: Mosley apologized on his Facebook page to his constituents, saying:

  • ”I would like to apologize to my colleagues and constituents, as well as law enforcement, for my conduct on March 27th, 2018, which is shown in the recently-released video. My desire to get home to see my family does not justify how fast I was speeding nor my reference to legislative immunity when being pulled over. Legislative immunity is a serious responsibility and should not be taken lightly or abused. In addition, my jokes about frequently driving over 100 miles per hour during my 3-hour commute to and from the capitol were entirely inappropriate and showed extremely bad judgement on my part, for which I am truly sorry. I have no excuse for any of this, only regret of my actions, a hope for forgiveness and a commitment that it will not happen again.”

Edited by tclittle on Jul 13th 2018 at 8:12:41 AM

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#249064: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:17:55 AM

Another "I'm only sorry I got caught" faux-pology from the GOP.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#249065: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:35:17 AM

[up][up][up][up] So Trump basically shat over the red carpet May rolled out for him. What a total non-surprise.

Edited by M84 on Jul 13th 2018 at 9:35:06 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#249066: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:39:17 AM

Trump got the Trump Baby blimp as a fitting welcome so the shit got flung right back at least.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#249067: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:48:30 AM

Sadly they blocked it from being flown where he could see it where he's golfing tomorrow because there's a no-fly zone in place.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#249068: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:49:58 AM

From what I read, he saw it anyway (likely from second hand info rather than directly seeing it) and he said it made him feel "unwelcomed"

Edited by Steven on Jul 13th 2018 at 9:49:55 AM

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#249069: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:51:57 AM

And people say he's an idiot.

If we fly our own blimps across the country, do you think he'll get the hint and leave?

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#249070: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:56:51 AM

He'd probably associate it with terrorism

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#249071: Jul 13th 2018 at 7:02:43 AM

I'm surprised there hasn't even been a single attempt on his life yet.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#249072: Jul 13th 2018 at 7:06:07 AM

As said previously, he'd become a martyr if he were to die before he faced any actual punishment. His base would only grow more emboldened.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#249073: Jul 13th 2018 at 7:08:48 AM

Yeah, frankly it’s a good thing there hasn’t been.

They should have sent a poet.
kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#249074: Jul 13th 2018 at 8:07:49 AM

Actually, there was that one time some British doofus was arrested at a Trump rally after outright declaring he intended to asassinate him. But that's as far as it's gone.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#249075: Jul 13th 2018 at 8:08:13 AM

In some lighter news, a bit of Paul Sad Clown Ryan:

A Family Of Woodchucks Ate Paul Ryan's Car

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/12/628515994/a-family-of-woodchucks-ate-paul-ryans-car

Winter in Wisconsin is tough.

So tough, in fact, that living creatures might go searching for shelter in unlikely places.

House Speaker Paul Ryan explained Thursday that a family of woodchucks moved into his Chevy Suburban recently, eating the wiring and rendering the car useless.

"My car was eaten by animals," Ryan said, to laughs from an audience at an event hosted by The Economic Club of Washington D.C. "It's just dead."

The car was parked at his mother's house in his hometown in Wisconsin, and when she came back from her annual trip to Florida for the winter, it wouldn't start. As a top congressional leader, Ryan has a security detail and hasn't been allowed to drive in three years.

"So I towed it into the dealer, they put it up, and they realized that a family of woodchucks lived in the underbody of my Suburban," Ryan said.

Ryan told the story after giving a speech about how he feels Republican policies, like last year's tax overhaul, have helped the economy. He disagreed, however, with President Trump's decisions to impose tariffs on a number of nations, most recently on China.

From there it goes a bit more serious and relevant.


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