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#357051: Feb 24th 2021 at 9:19:12 AM

He was deeply involved in space policy as a Senator, mainly in forcing the Obama administration to compromise in 2010 over the cancellation of the Constellation program. This gave us the Commercial Crew Program that spectacularly delivered astronauts to the ISS last year for the first time since the Shuttle program ended, but was chronically underfunded for a large period thanks in large part to Sen. Nelson.

It also gave us SLS, the giant orange boondoggle that's gone 10 years and $20 billion without leaving the ground, although that may happen in 2022.

Nelson did fly on the Space Shuttle once as a "payload specialist". He effectively bullied his way into that position on patronage and had the nickname "Ballast" during the mission because he wasn't allowed to touch any of the payloads.

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#357052: Feb 24th 2021 at 9:27:14 AM

Didn't NASA also have some down-to-Earth research that Trump shut down because it highlighted climate change?

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#357054: Feb 24th 2021 at 10:31:35 AM

Given recent events, don't raise hopes until you see the guy walking out in cuffs.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#357055: Feb 24th 2021 at 10:40:07 AM

I can't read it right now, but does the article describe the SD legislature breakdown? I know it's a a red state but if the guy's getting impeached to begin with it may not be so cut and dry

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#357056: Feb 24th 2021 at 10:48:08 AM

It was a bipartisan effort to start with.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#357057: Feb 24th 2021 at 11:06:14 AM

It sounds just awful CBS News

Gov. Kristi Noem released videos of Ravnsborg's two interviews with law enforcement late Tuesday. In the videos, investigators confront the attorney general with the gruesome details of the crash, at one point telling him, "His face was in your windshield, Jason, think about that."

Ravnsborg appeared unsure of many details in the crash, but investigators told him Boever's glasses had been found in the attorney general's Ford Taurus and bone scrapings were found on the highway shoulder. As investigators described how his car swerved onto the shoulder and struck Boever, causing major damage to the car hood and windshield, Ravnsborg appears distressed.

KELO reports that when investigators arrived at the crash scene the next day, they say they found a working flashlight next to Boever's body which was still on. They told Ravnsborg the light was shining just inches from the road, and they didn't know how he could have missed it. Ravnsborg repeatedly told investigators he was driving on the road, not the shoulder, and that he didn't know that he'd hit a man until the next day.


Per Wikipedia, the South Dakota Senate is 32R-3D, and its House is 62R-8D. You're going to need a lot of Republicans for impeachment.

Edited by nova92 on Feb 24th 2021 at 11:06:34 AM

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#357058: Feb 24th 2021 at 12:38:17 PM

Low my expectations may be, I don't see Republicans deciding that provable manslaughter is a hill they want to die on. Especially if they kick in out he'll be replaced by another Republican.

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#357059: Feb 24th 2021 at 12:41:43 PM

I'll believe the Republicans voting to convict when I see it.

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#357060: Feb 24th 2021 at 12:45:51 PM

[up]This is the best position for any context.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#357061: Feb 24th 2021 at 1:06:26 PM

@Fighteer:

Independent estimates have placed a fiscal multiplier of between 7x and 11x on the space program.

Do you have a source for this handy?

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#357062: Feb 24th 2021 at 1:10:23 PM

[up][up][up][up]They’ve already decided that provable insurrection is the hill they want to die on. This is NOTHING compared to that.

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#357063: Feb 24th 2021 at 1:20:13 PM

Well, I know who Dear Leader Donald J. Trump is. Mr. Attorney General of South Dakota, you are no Dear Leader Donald J. Trump.

I think his chances to get away are lower.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#357064: Feb 24th 2021 at 1:26:14 PM

Like I said, the possibility that he's facing impeachment in such a red environment at all is something.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 24th 2021 at 1:27:04 AM

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#357065: Feb 24th 2021 at 1:43:50 PM

This is also on the heels of the Governor (also a Republican) requesting his resignation. Still a shame that he didn't get hit with a more serious charge, but that's likely because the cops can't disprove his claim that he didn't know he'd hit a person.

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Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001
#357066: Feb 24th 2021 at 2:15:52 PM

The major difference here is that the democrats gain nothing from this and the Republicans will just seat another Republican. They have nothing at all to gain by backing him and nothing to lose impeaching him.

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#357067: Feb 24th 2021 at 2:21:14 PM

Not to mention impeaching him would actually probably get brownie points from their voters.

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Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001
#357068: Feb 24th 2021 at 2:46:14 PM

Its a very open and shut case with no wiggle room to defend beyond "Maybe he didn't know he hit someone".

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#357069: Feb 24th 2021 at 2:57:09 PM

[up][up][up] Exactly, there seems to be no political capital involved with it.

BrendanRizzo Since: Feb, 2015
#357070: Feb 24th 2021 at 3:08:30 PM

No political capital except once again proving the law doesn’t apply to Republicans.

So I stand by what I said that, unless and until he actually goes to jail, I think they’ll acquit just to own the libs.

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#357071: Feb 24th 2021 at 3:47:42 PM

~Ramidel: The figure comes from a NASA study (pdf) dated August 2020. There are a lot of numbers in it but the relevant passage is here:

For every FTE job located at a NASA facility, more than 17 additional jobs are supported throughout the U.S. economy. For each million dollars of labor income earned by NASA civil service employees, an additional $7 million of labor income is generated in the U.S. And for each million dollars worth of output produced by NASA, an additional $7.7 million of output—consisting of both intermediary inputs and consumption goods and services— is produced throughout the national economy. These figures are boosted by the large volume of procurement spending administered through NASA.

The quoted multiplier there is 7 (labor) and 7.7 (output) but I've heard other values informally. Presumably this depends on the time period that it's assessed over.

The "procurement spending" clause makes me think that this isn't quite the same as a true multiplier, since it's using the total NASA budget as a numerator and the NASA civil service budget as a denominator.

However, the report does state that the total amount of employment sustained by NASA is 312,630 jobs and the total economic output is $64.3 billion. If you estimate NASA's budget to be $25 billion that's a raw multiplier of about 2.5.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 24th 2021 at 6:54:12 AM

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#357072: Feb 24th 2021 at 3:56:43 PM

Okay, so by the looks of it, it's slightly less raw multiplier than infrastructure, but with hard-to-quantify technological benefits. Thanks.

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#357073: Feb 24th 2021 at 4:06:29 PM

~Medinoc: To answer your question, the Trump White House kept trying to eliminate NASA's Earth science budget as well as its STEM outreach budget but Congress kept putting them back. Of course, Congress has also seriously underfunded the Human Landing System program that is crucial to getting Artemis to land on the Moon. HLS is commercially contracted, so the Senate isn't interested in giving it money. The lobbyists want those contracts canceled and one of the Big Three (Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop) to be assigned instead.

If that happens (difficult since HLS now enjoys some pretty strong publicity with its three competitors), we probably won't set boots on the Moon until 2030.

It is difficult to understate just how much Congress hates commercial space contracting. It's one of the constant struggles between NASA and the rest of the government. The engineers who actually build and operate things love their private partnerships and see huge benefits from letting companies do the grunt work, letting them concentrate on the scientific aspects of the missions. But the lobbyists and Members of Congress are deeply in bed with each other and, as I've said before, view NASA through the lens of "jobs for my state/district" far more than they do through the lens of scientific and cultural value.

If there's one and only one thing that I can unquestionably and enthusiastically give credit to Jim Bridenstine for, it's marketing NASA to the public: getting people excited about what it's doing and engaged in these projects; communicating the value of public-private partnerships; and giving due credit to the people who do the real work.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 24th 2021 at 7:13:52 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#357074: Feb 24th 2021 at 8:05:56 PM

Biden just announced 3 nominees to the Post Office Board of Governors.

Combined with the 2 token democrats that were appointed under Trump, that actually gives the Democrats a majority on the board. That might be just barely enough to oust Dejoy and get someone who wants the Post Office to function in charge.

While I do agree that it firing at least part of the board of governors is an option that should be considered, it's still a bit of a nuclear option and it's preferable if we can get rid of Dejoy without going that far. Heck, simply considering it might be enough to swing one or two board members against Dejoy since they might (probably correctly) figure that Biden will be less interested in perusing more extreme options if the end goal is already achieved.

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#357075: Feb 24th 2021 at 8:09:17 PM

Getting DeJoy out of that office is one of the most important things Biden can do for the government.

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