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Why not both?
A nice butterfly
Dumb question.
Let us asume best case scenario where Donald J Trump is both voted out and prosecuted for - well. Prety much everything. I know even in the worst of cases he would still have a lawyer assigned but would the federal state be obligated in nay way whatsoever to spend money to defend him, for some sort of ill conceived notion of protecting the state of ex presidents, or owuld he have to cost all of his defense on his own?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Lost in Space
I don't see why Trump would be entitled to a state defense attorney unless he could not afford his own.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Redmess
That seems to be a more general question about whether former presidents are entitled to a state defence attorney.
Former presidents probably do get some privileges. I'm pretty sure they get secret service protection for life, for example.
Optimism is a duty.
The health researchers “deep in the bowels of the CDC have given up science and become political animals.”
He's also admitted to trying to force the CDC to edit their reports or have them delayed to make Trump look better.
A nice butterfly
I figured there are some privileges they get but I jus dont know them hence why I am asking.
The figure of the president in the U.S is somewhat fetishized - even past their office. It is kinda weird.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Redmess
It's pretty normal for former government officials to get certain privileges, especially around security.
Optimism is a duty.
A nice butterfly
Not in particular around my country, so it is kinda weird for me.
Maybe we just cannot afford extra security? Maybe we are the anomaly?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Redmess
Let's see, Google directs me to the Former Presidents Act.
By law, former presidents are entitled to a pension, staff and office expenses, medical care or health insurance, and Secret Service protection. Pension
The Secretary of the Treasury pays a taxable pension to the president. Former presidents receive a pension equal to the pay that the head of an executive department (Executive Level I) would be paid; as of 2020, it is $219,200 per year.[4] The pension begins immediately after a president's departure from office.[5] A former president's spouse may also be paid a lifetime annual pension of $20,000 if they relinquish any other statutory pension.[1] Transition
Transition funding for the expenses of leaving office is available for seven months. It covers office space, staff compensation, communications services, and printing and postage associated with the transition.[1] Staff and office
Private office staff and related funding is provided by the Administrator of the General Services Administration. People employed under this subsection are selected by and responsible only to the former president for the performance of their duties. Each former president fixes basic rates of compensation for persons employed for him or her, not exceeding an annualized total of $150,000 for the first 30 months and $96,000 thereafter.[1] Medical insurance
Former presidents are entitled to medical treatment in military hospitals; they pay for this at interagency rates set by the Office of Management and Budget. Two-term presidents may buy health insurance under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program; a GSA legal opinion ruled Jimmy Carter ineligible.[1][6] Secret Service protection
From 1965 to 1996, former presidents were entitled to lifetime Secret Service protection, for themselves, spouses, and children under 16. A 1994 statute, (Pub.L. 103–329), limited post-presidential protection to ten years for presidents inaugurated after January 1, 1997.[7] Under this statute, Bill Clinton would still be entitled to lifetime protection, and all subsequent presidents would have been entitled to ten years of protection.[8] On January 10, 2013, President Barack Obama signed the Former Presidents Protection Act of 2012, reinstating lifetime Secret Service protection for his predecessor George W. Bush, himself, and all subsequent presidents.[9]
Richard Nixon relinquished his Secret Service protection in 1985, the only president to do so.[10]
So that's a comfortable pension, transition funding, a personal staff (it's not entirely clear to me what their function would be), medical treatment in military hospitals, and secret service protection.
Notably though, secret service protection has been limited to just 10 years for presidents after 1997. This means all presidents after Clinton only get 10 years of protection, and that protection for Bush has already expired.
Optimism is a duty.
What I'm wondering is how much of the campaign's money has actually been disbursed and how much the Trump campaign will owe when (not if) it declares bankruptcy.
For some reason, people are still willing to extend credit to Trump, even when bankruptcy is literally his business strategy.
From Cracked, in 2009.
Redmess
I'm not sure a campaign can go bankrupt. It's not like they are a business that can borrow money, right? They just run out of money, and that's it.
Optimism is a duty.
So, Chapter 7 bankruptcy?
I'm pretty sure I've seen campaigns in the red before. Don't know what happens next, though.
Lost in Space
A campaign can certainly go bankrupt. It may be limited in how it declares bankruptcy, but there must be a legal process for it, since it would have to discharge its debts.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Redmess
I looked it up, and from this article, it seems that campaigns can borrow money, but any outstanding debts would be for the candidate themselves.
You read that right. Some former campaigners are still raising money to pay off campaign debts, sometimes for decades after they lost.
So if anything, it would be Trump who would be in financial trouble (once again).
Especially considering this part, if he used his own money:
However, I don't think Trump will have much trouble raising more money from his base if he loses.
Edited by Redmess on Sep 16th 2020 at 5:42:32 PM
Optimism is a duty.
A nice butterfly
Recettear but it is tiny winged Rudy Giulani egging you to pay for his campaign debts by forcing you to make a presidential campaign of your own
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Redmess
It seems running a campaign isn't exactly risk free when you are willing to go into debt for it. No wonder many candidates prefer to step down before it gets to that point.
Optimism is a duty.
Lost in Space
Right. Running out of money is the death of a campaign for a very practical reason.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 16th 2020 at 11:50:24 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Redmess
Meanwhile, there are so many hurricanes headed for the US that they are starting to run out of letters, moving on to the Greek alphabet.
Optimism is a duty.
Lost in Space
I'm waiting for Trumpists to declare that non-English letters are anti-American.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I'm surprised Trump hasn't suggested using nukes on hurricanes at second time.
Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
A nice butterfly
La Niña is anti american and destructive because it is HISPANIC. Need harsher IMMIGRATION LAW AND ORDER
Edited by Aszur on Sep 16th 2020 at 9:53:24 PM
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Redmess
Trevor Noah did make a joke that Americans would be a lot more eager to fight climate change if they gave hurricanes non-English names.
Optimism is a duty.
Redmess
In funnier news, Fox and Friends pretty much brushed Trump off in a recent interview when one host suggested Trump call in every week (and Trump agreeing, of course), Steve Doocy pretty much told him "don't call us, we'll call you", and that they would invite Biden as well. You should see the look on the other guy's face.
Talk about being snubbed on your favourite TV show.
Optimism is a duty.
I think there was a report that indicated that most of the money went to ads in Washington and on Fox to give Trump the appearance that they're doing well.
EDIT: On Trump's campaign apparently being cash-strapped
Edited by Aleistar on Sep 16th 2020 at 7:33:16 AM