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Beatles1963 Since: Jun, 2019
#315101: May 22nd 2020 at 9:01:00 PM

You all know that you can be critical of Biden while still supporting him in the end, right?

Imca (Veteran)
#315102: May 22nd 2020 at 9:09:57 PM

It's not just about us here though, and a lot of people cant.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#315103: May 22nd 2020 at 9:10:20 PM

Addressing the last page:

>LSBK: True. To clear things up, I am white. The second reason is very close to the actual reason for me being upset.rant 

>Fighteer: Lightysnake basically said it. I'm voting for Biden for precisely this reason. But as long as identity is political, identity politics will always be a must, even in situations like these.

>Imca: Beatles isn't saying you shouldn't vote for Biden, they're saying you're allowed to be critical.

Edited by AzurePaladin on May 22nd 2020 at 12:19:23 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
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#315104: May 22nd 2020 at 9:16:44 PM

I can see the similarity between gender identity and racial identity in this situation but... I still don't really get it. What's the point in getting angry? Nothing spiteful or authoritative was intended and it's not intrinsically harming anyone. It just doesn't seem worth it.

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Imca (Veteran)
#315105: May 22nd 2020 at 9:19:51 PM

The thing is the criticality hurts our chances right now when this is all a lot of low info people see, it is better to rally until november.

Then have a feild day after, things aren't going to significantly change in a couple months, the party will still be being stupid, but there will be less self harm in going after it then.

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#315106: May 22nd 2020 at 10:11:17 PM

So... to change the subject, remember how Oregon had its primary this week? Portland voters passed a tax to help the homeless in the city.

From AP News:

A measure to tax the wealthiest residents and the biggest businesses in Portland, Oregon, to raise $2.5 billion over a decade to address homelessness sailed to victory as final ballots were tallied Wednesday, even as the state faces crippling revenue losses and record-high unemployment due to the coronavirus.
...
The measure's passage puts in place a 1% marginal income tax on the wealthiest residents and a 1% tax on gross profits for the region's biggest businesses. Roughly 90% of residents and 94% of businesses will be exempt from the tax, supporters say.

In less great news, according to The Guardian, the Republican nominee for the Oregon Senate seat Jo Rae Perkins is a QAnon supporter. She's almost certain to lose against Jeff Merkley in November, but yikes.

Also The Boston Globe reports that Democrats flipped 2 seats in the Massachusetts state Senate in a special election; they now hold 36 out of 40 seats.

Edit: Forgot to add this last link. AP News: Democratic U.S. Sen. Martin Heinrich is throwing his political weight behind primary challengers to socially conservative Democrats in the New Mexico state Legislature.

In social media messages, Heinrich has invited constituents to attend an online campaign fundraiser this week for school psychologist Siah Correa Hemphill of Silver City in her primary election bid to unseat state Sen. Gabriel Ramos and for Pamela Cordova of Belen as she challenges state Sen. Clemente Sanchez of Grants.

Ramos, appointed in 2019 to take the Senate seat of newly elected Lt. Gov. Howie Morales, and Sanchez voted in 2019 against a bill that would have removed the state's dormant criminal ban on most abortion procedures.

Edited by nova92 on May 22nd 2020 at 10:18:20 AM

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#315107: May 22nd 2020 at 10:55:28 PM

Also The Boston Globe reports that Democrats flipped 2 seats in the Massachusetts state Senate in a special election; they now hold 36 out of 40 seats.

Yeah, that's why I disagree with Governor Baker who says we don't have any real urgency in mail-in ballot initiatives. Sure it's a long time until the general election, but a lot of towns have special elections between then and now, and it'd be good if they could have officially expanded mail-in voting options. Especially if those special elections also have local government bills or questions designed to help with covid relief.

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#315109: May 23rd 2020 at 12:07:56 AM

[up] ... How'd you like to have that woman do your taxes?

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#315110: May 23rd 2020 at 12:24:31 AM

[up][up] Would knowing that makes it easier for people to find information in regards to his taxes?

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#315111: May 23rd 2020 at 12:28:44 AM

...oops.

I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency
Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#315112: May 23rd 2020 at 12:38:03 AM

Trump's presidential administration and staff are the most professional in history.

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Oh, bother.
#315113: May 23rd 2020 at 1:29:55 AM

He only hires the best people. [lol]

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#315114: May 23rd 2020 at 4:20:59 AM

I can see the similarity between gender identity and racial identity in this situation but... I still don't really get it. What's the point in getting angry? Nothing spiteful or authoritative was intended and it's not intrinsically harming anyone. It just doesn't seem worth it.

Because the status quo for black Americans was pretty rubbish even before the world's most tangerine white supremacist got the presidency. There's a bunch of black folks for whom a simple return to pre-Trump norms will still be cruel, miserable, and occasionally lethal, and they want a president who is committed to radical reform rather than taking them for granted as safe voters and dismissing their concerns. This is pressure on Biden to either work to gain their trust directly or appoint people they can trust to his campaign.

What's precedent ever done for us?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#315115: May 23rd 2020 at 4:30:24 AM

Except Biden has a fair amount of policy that is to the left of the Obama years and would represent serious progress.

As much as Biden is rhetorically about returning to the Obama years his policy is very much about continuing to build upon and progress forward from the Obama years.

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#315116: May 23rd 2020 at 4:36:02 AM

A good manifesto is only the beginning. You then need to convince people that you can and will deliver it. Building trust is vital for any politician, and Biden being a gaffe machine isn't helping. The NAACP just had to release a statement refuting his claim that they'd endorsed him (because they do not have a policy of endorsing political candidates, for instance.

What's precedent ever done for us?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#315117: May 23rd 2020 at 4:45:17 AM

I’d say that Biden’s tendency to say crass thing actully boosts his trust, it makes him come across as honest.

Genuine misstatements are a problem, but the media is made up of professional communicators and as thus any act of unprofessional/crass communication gets called a gaffe.

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Oh, bother.
#315118: May 23rd 2020 at 4:51:26 AM

[up]538 even pointed out that this is probably why gaffes are taken more seriously by the media.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#315119: May 23rd 2020 at 4:51:43 AM

[up][up]Until recently, Trump was immune to that. His rambling, terrible truthiness and logic vacuums were labelled "entertainment" by most outlets, instead.

Oops.

Edited by Euodiachloris on May 23rd 2020 at 12:52:21 PM

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#315120: May 23rd 2020 at 5:09:55 AM

> I’d say that Biden’s tendency to say crass thing actully boosts his trust, it makes him come across as honest.

On the other hand,it makes him look foolish thus it could lead people to not take him seriously as a candidate

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#315121: May 23rd 2020 at 5:15:33 AM

[up][up] That is maybe more a case of cathartic entertainment at the expense of a president half the country (and world, really) hates.

And sometimes he really is entertaining to watch.

Optimism is a duty.
shadowblack Since: Jun, 2010
#315122: May 23rd 2020 at 5:55:55 AM

Yeah, Trump can be entertaining to watch. Too bad that he's the President of the United States and thus his words and actions often affect the rest of the world.

Ah, if only we could have a Reality Show where Trump gets to act like the President, but without his actions affecting anyone but himself...

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#315123: May 23rd 2020 at 7:26:53 AM

[up]that was his plan for Trump TV and then he won

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#315124: May 23rd 2020 at 7:38:54 AM

I wonder if he'll return to TV after his presidency is over.

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#315125: May 23rd 2020 at 7:41:14 AM

Depends on whether or not they decide to televise the court proceedings.

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