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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Okay you made me laugh
Trump is the proverbial stopped clock that Bolton is a lunatic and needed to be fired.
Mind you, HE HIRED HIM, but Trump's reasons for firing Bolton are valid.
And in all other cases, Screw that Bastard.
It's not a stoped clock moment if the guy who was hired by Trump.
Like, Trump didn't discover that Bolton was a terrible person and that horrified him. He either 1) always knew Bolton's views or 2) was such a gigantic idiot that he never bothered to find out, either way neither are commendable.
Trump shouldn't get any points for firing the maniac that he hired in the first place.
(I know you mentioned that he hired him but the point stands, that's reason enough not to qualify it as a stopped clock moment)
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 10th 2019 at 1:30:58 AM
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Edited by tclittle on Sep 10th 2019 at 3:43:45 AM
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Maybe not a stopped clock moment, but rectifying a mistake moment.
Edited by Forenperser on Sep 10th 2019 at 11:02:23 AM
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Oh,and the NRA is suing San Francisco for calling them terrorists,if they're bleeding cash it won't go far but its publicity more then anything else
Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 10th 2019 at 8:53:17 AM
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I think they would only apply of trump considered hiring Bolton a middle at all, let alone for the same reasons we would.
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Honestly, Trump is a huge scumbag and all, but he has never been somebody who was keen on warmongering.
On the contrary, he has been consistently isolationist.
So yeah, I actually believe that he was simply a dumbass on that one. Hell, maybe he didn't even know anything about Bolton before hiring the guy. He probably just looked at the guy's resumé and thought "Oh, he has job experience!".
Edited by Forenperser on Sep 10th 2019 at 11:05:31 AM
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Trump probably just rubber stamped someone else's suggestion to hire Bolton.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on Sep 10th 2019 at 6:07:09 AM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
@NRA: Man this case is just horrible, even as someone moderately pro-gun the NRA can just go fuck themselfs and burn in a fire, they are nothing but stooges who exist solely to harm the public discourse.
At the same time, I worry imensly about the precedence upholding San Francisco's end sets, who gets to be declared a terrorist next when they arent doing the acts themselfs, just enabling them... Will the communist party be labeled terrorists like they were back home? Black Lifes Mater terrorists because of that one guy who killed a cop....
Like the NRA needs to burn, but upholding it as is sets a very worrisome precedence. :/
@Bolton: I am pretty sure he was rubber stamped yes, acording to some former aides Trump never liked him because "His mustache made him look like a walrus"
Edited by Imca on Sep 10th 2019 at 2:15:40 AM
Exactly my thoughts, the NRA is a shitty organization with shitty rhetoric but declaring them domestic terrorists is a dangerous move.
It depends on what sort of legal consequences for doing so would be. If its merely symbolic, then go ahead.
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It's pretty much the perfect example of "Meaning well is not doing well".
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Frankly, given the NRA's association with arms trafficking and Russia—is it really wrong?
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I mean, this demonstrates that Trump is terrible boss who refuses to show basic human decently to his employees. The fact that Bolton is also terrible person doesn't directly affect that- even terrible people deserve to be the first to know that they've been fired.
But, I mean, really looking at this from a moral perspective a misleading one, I think- the problem was that Bolton's primary goal was to accomplish something that Trump didn't want to happen, and therefore he was a bad fit for the position in Trump's eyes. Really, given the fact that he doesn't seem to want war, he probably should've known better than to hire Bolton in the first place.
Edited by Gilphon on Sep 10th 2019 at 5:28:08 AM
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That's not illegal, is the thing.
Edited by Forenperser on Sep 10th 2019 at 11:29:11 AM
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@Imca, do you have a source on that mustache claim? Cause holy hell, I want to see that, I knew Trump could be petty, but damn.
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> Frankly, given the NRA's association with arms trafficking and Russia—is it really wrong?
has a single act of terrorism ever been directly linked to the NRA?Has the NRA ever said they were behind an attack?
The answer is 'No,of course not or they'd have been shut down years ago"
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Actually, I'd argue that they have been linked to numerous terrorist attacks but they deny responsibility.
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Hold on, time out. What's this about Jesse Ventura being a Russian propagandist? Are we talking the retired pro wrestler who went by the nickname "The Body", or someone else who just happens to share the same name?
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This might be too small in scale, but it might still be useful for discussion purposes or as a juxtaposition to the national level. A Tennessee lawmaker has stated that he thinks that higher education should be ended as to "cut liberal breeding grounds off at the source" and because they in his opinion, "promote abortion." Here's the link: https://newschannel9.com/news/local/tn-lawmaker-calls-for-removal-of-higher-education-to-cut-off-liberal-breeding-ground
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This guy's a total psycho, and is more proof to me that the greatest danger of Trump is emboldening the psychos like him on state and local levels, not that they weren't always there, of course.
Edited by KeybladeMaster on Sep 10th 2019 at 4:44:16 AM
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In addition to pro-wrestler, Jesse Ventura was also Governor of Minnesota and a reasonably successful action movie star.
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> Actually, I'd argue that they have been linked to numerous terrorist attacks but they deny responsibility.
And we know terrorists like to claim they were behind attacks as part of their goal of being terrorists so yeah they're not a terrorist organisation
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That's not a description of a terrorist.
A terrorist is any non-state actor that uses violence to achieve political aims.
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Sadly its mostly been drowned out by Bolton being fired when you try to google him now.
vice has an article on it still, but I dont know how trustworthy they are
Personaly I heard the walrus mustache thing on cable news, but cant rember which one since it was like a year ago.
Looks like Shepherd got ousted before he could kill Roach and Ghost in this timeline.