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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261851: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:08:53 PM

I withhold my judgement regarding Ocasio-Cortez for now. Usually what she says makes a lot of sense, and she might grow into a great politician.

Regarding Renewables: I remember when we over here in Germany started the whole project to go renewables. Back then everyone said it was useless, because renewables would never be able to cover more than 3% of our energy needs.

It is now covering more than 30% and rising. And we might be close to finally solving the storage problem.

So, it is absolutely doable.

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#261852: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:09:08 PM

[up][up]Probally did it to act vaguely Presidental and gain some points after losing the House.

Edited by kkhohoho on Nov 14th 2018 at 7:09:18 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#261853: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:14:08 PM

So, uh, holy shit, according to a new NYTimes article Facebook has been doing some truly heinous shit.

As in, actively spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to try to fight legitimate criticism of Facebook.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261854: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:19:16 PM

Alright, that Vox article made me think better about those protesters and Ocasio-Cortez. Probably explains why Pelosi didn't seem to mind this.

Disgusted, but not surprised
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#261855: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:19:24 PM

[up][up]Saw that. See M84's well worn signature for my thoughts. Whatever he was before, Zuckerberg is garbage, and fits right in with the GOP.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Nov 14th 2018 at 8:19:34 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261856: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:21:22 PM

And that is the reason why I am in principle pro the EU's attempts to find laws for the internet. Because it isn't really as free as many believe, it is firmly in the hand of a couple of companies with questionable morals. It's in a way a virtual free market - with all the nightmarish aspects baked into it.

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
Figure of Hourai
#261857: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:21:29 PM

Turn every building they own into affordable public housing.

I don't think data centres are suitable for that and it would be a waste of servers.

As in, actively spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to try to fight legitimate criticism of Facebook.

Let's not exaggerate.

It's not spreading conspiracy theories, it's leveraging existing right-wing bias against Soros.

Edited by RainehDaze on Nov 14th 2018 at 1:22:50 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261858: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:22:33 PM

We should all delete our Facebook accounts. ASAP.

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PhysicalStamina (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#261859: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:24:05 PM

Well, learning exactly what Ocasio-Cortez's protest was meant to accomplish certainly makes me feel stupid.

It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#261860: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:27:48 PM

Thank god I never made Facebook. I should delete my Instagram, too, but it’s still too precious to me.

EDIT: I should add one protest I have, that the article accuses Facebook of making up a baseless claim that a cartoon was antisemitic to deflect criticism. While it was indeed meant to deflect criticism, that doesn’t make the point that it tied into stereotypes any less valid.

Edited by fruitpork on Nov 14th 2018 at 8:38:55 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#261861: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:28:04 PM

So you know how CNN is suing the White House for thinking they can decide who gets a free pass to cover them? Guess who thinks they're right.

Fox News. They were scummy and "bothsiding", but they said that this was about a higher cause, namely the free press and that they side with CNN.

This isn't the first time Fox News has criticized Trump (funnily enough), but like what the fuck is up with the GOP when they elect a president so awful even Fox has to draw a line?????

It's not spreading conspiracy theories, it's leveraging existing right-wing bias against Soros.

A lot of the bias against Soros hinges on conspiracy theories. Like he's some sort of dark jewish mastermind, manipulating events and spreading globalism and "cultural marxism" behind the scenes.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 14th 2018 at 9:29:32 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261862: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:28:55 PM

I don't even have a Facebook account. Never had the desire to show the world what I eat for Lunch.

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#261863: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:31:50 PM

[up][up] Fox knows that what the White House did was fucked up, and they're terrified of it setting a precedent, because if, say, a Democrat President takes office, what's to stop them from arbitrarily banning Fox News? Now, I know it's incredibly improbable and unlikely that a Democrat would do that, but let's not forget that the GOP, and Fox by extension, are the party of projection. Anything they do, they absolutely believe and just know that the Democrats are also doing.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261864: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:35:53 PM

Also, I don't think that Fox news wants to become a news channel under state control. They want to shill Trump by their own choice and not because they are forced to.

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#261865: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:39:52 PM

You do understand that you can dislike something and still work with it? Charles has made clear that he backs Democrats over Republicans.
Of course I do. But the GOP, today, is embracing Nazi policies and ethnic nationalism. Until that gets purged from the party, then your choice is opposition - or compromising with Nazis.

If you see that as a valid choice, well, thanks for electing Trump.

There is a middle ground between "I wholeheartedly support the Democratic Party" and "They're equally as bad, I'm voting Green"
That's true, but I haven't seen anyone here on the forums say they're voting third party protest.
The democrats will never be perfect, but even calling them the "lesser evil" at this point feels misleading when they aren't remotely on the same spectrum of open malice that the GOP exists in.
Well if you hold the view that humanity is inherently evil, then sure, the Dems are the lesser evil. Even if you think that politics is, in general, a Gray-and-Grey Morality situation before 2016 I would have agreed that they were the lighter gray. But the election of Trump has moved the US political sphere into a Gray-and-Black Morality place.
GOP Jesus also wouldn't be whipping the moneychangers in the temple.
I'm pretty sure GOP Jesus is the moneychanger.
Now this is the wring way to go about the issues, but that’s kinda to be expected for freshman congressmen, hell as she’s yet to be sworn in Cortez presumably doesn’t have an office of her own yet from which to make calls.
Does she have to take the same office that whoever held the district before her had? What happens if that now-former Rep doesn't clear out in time?
it’s more effective to protest people who are on your side. You can’t argue with a brick wall. There is literally nothing Ocasio-Cortez can do to get Paul Ryan to endorse actively fighting climate change.
Maybe not, but if she's makes his life more difficult for a day by staging the protest, then I'm all for it.
You’re assuming that Pelosi would take a call from a brand new congresswomen who hasn’t even been sworn in yet.
Why wouldn't she? O-C and Pelosi are on the same side; I'm fairly sure Pelosi has seen all the press attention O-C has received during the midterm season, and even if they're not meeting for four hours for an ambitious climate change legislation planning session, why wouldn't Pelosi take (or even make) a call to congratulate her?
even if it gets overturned that won't be the equivalent to a countrywide abortion ban. In places where it is legal (most blue states?) it stays legal, only these which have laws against it on the books would criminalize it.
I think that would depend on how SCOTUS rules against it; given the conservative justices, they might well look for a reason to give Congress the ability to ban it nationwide, something they might even get enough Dem defectors to push through before 2020.
Flake is threatening to not vote for any judicial nominees until Mc Connel gives the bill the go-ahead.
Suuure he won't. He's also selling some oceanfront property in his home state.
Fox knows that what the White House did was fucked up, and they're terrified of it setting a precedent, because if, say, a Democrat President takes office, what's to stop them from arbitrarily banning Fox News?
Well for starters, it wouldn't be arbitrary. tongue

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#261866: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:40:13 PM

I only use Facebook to connect with old classmates at this point.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#261867: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:41:15 PM

Spreading Anti-Semitic Conspiracy theories about George Soros, and "Cultural Marxism" and all that, is straight of the Russian disinformation playbook.

Edited by megaeliz on Nov 14th 2018 at 8:42:48 AM

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#261868: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:57:08 PM

[up]X3 Pelosi is a busy women, she’s got a party to keep united, a leadership campaign to run and two years of policy to start working on. I’m sure she tried to speak to most members, but there are only so many hours in the day.

@Fox backing CNN, I think it’s Fox not forgetting that this almost happened to them on smaller scale a few years back, Obama got sick of Fox’s bullshit at one point and tried either give them the boot or limit their access, the rest of the press stood by Fox and forced Obama to back down.

It’s weird to see Fox repaying that loyalty, I’m surprised but not disgusted.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 14th 2018 at 1:57:35 PM

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#261869: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:58:51 PM

I'll also apologize for getting down on Ocasio-Cortez. It sounds like it was less a protest of and more a demonstration near Pelosi, and the points outlined are heartening.

It's been fun.
RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#261870: Nov 14th 2018 at 6:00:40 PM

Facebook is the only way I have to contact some people I need to contact, so it isn't going anywhere.

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#261871: Nov 14th 2018 at 6:06:10 PM

I saw an argument brewing and was going to join it, then it ended and that's pretty...chill, for a lack of a better word. (^_^

As for Soros...he tends to be used as a stand in for the Jewish people in a bunch of conspiracies, from what I've seen.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Nov 14th 2018 at 9:06:23 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#261872: Nov 14th 2018 at 6:07:24 PM

yeah he's the right's go-to bogeyman

it'd honestly be hilarious if it wasn't gross and antisemitic

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#261873: Nov 14th 2018 at 6:25:29 PM

Pretty much. If you're a Republican and you need to badmouth something, just link it to George Soros and you're golden. Even if Soros had nothing to do with it.

Like "The Caravan", which George Soros is apparently somehow funding to come in and destroy America, according to Trump and a man who shot up a synagogue to stop it...somehow....

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 14th 2018 at 7:26:01 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#261874: Nov 14th 2018 at 6:26:43 PM

I believe the Democrats are getting better but I point out they were the party which gave us Mandatory Sentencing and 3-Strikes rules. Obama said to embrace change and I want to embrace much-much more change.

I blame the Democrats explicitly for the fact that their sheer lack of opposition to Republican policies in the Bush years are what allowed him to completely erode civil rights in the federal government and allow them to turn the country into a place where Trump can be elected.

But no, on a basic level, "being insufficiently left" is a poor reason to not vote for them when the other party is the Far Right around the Bend to Crazytown. That doesn't mean I intend to hold back my criticism or disgust because they'll get my praise when they've earned it.

It's my hope Trump, like Bush did with Obama, will ignite the spark to make them go the distance to the party I can believe in whoel heartedly.

And before you get down on me for this, I point out that plenty of you feel the exact same way about Bernie Sanders and he was *finger wag* the Democratic candidate.

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#261875: Nov 14th 2018 at 6:30:20 PM

The good thing about those criticisms is, if you're loud enough about them, the party will change if they think it'll cost them votes not to.


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