First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
Disasturbator
Trouble with caricatures is that the exaggerated features can end up resembling something pretty damn racist,it's a tricky line that you can cross without meaning to,the big issue with this cartoon is that they exaggerated her lips so they were huge...which is pretty typical of racist depictions of black people,and they did this deliberately knowing full well it would be controversial because it means selling more newspapers
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However, I'm totes on Serena's side in this.
That was her point, she called the ref a thief and that was apparently enough to penalize her thus stealing the game which is especially egregious considering how often male players do far worse.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
The cartoon was racist, the depiction of Williams can be argued about since cartoonist tend to use exaggerated features, but how her opponent was depicted is pretty obviously whitewashing.
I would assume that there is bias against women being more aggressive on the tennis court since this bias exists in normal society. That being said, I don't know if I am convinced that this instance was her being treated unfairly due to being a woman. The umpire in question is apparently stricter than average, and Serena Williams has shown bad behavior before like threatening a linewoman.
Her behavior definitely was unsportsmanlike even if she was judged more harshly due to her sex. If anything I feel bad for Osaka since her first grand slam win is being overshadowed by the controversy.
In the name of being honest
Regarding the cartoon: Mark Knight is a racist and draws some truly
◊ vile
◊ shit and the Herald Sun is owned by News Corp, which is part of the Murdoch machine. There, you're all caught up. Casual racism is well and alive in Australia, and the continuing dehumanisation of Indigenous Australians in the media feeds back into real-life discrimination and violence. Like the recent incident where a couple of Indigenous boys drowned in Perth's Swan River
after getting chased by the police for unclear violations (obviously not the only example but fuck does this one hit way too close to home).
(Addendum: The partisan divide in Australian media isn't nearly as clean as it is in the US. Climate change denial is mostly unheard of, and even News Corp publications are quite willing to ridicule the Liberals and Nationals when they make complete arses out of themselves. On the flipside, some Labor leaders are known to have kissed Murdoch's ring prior to critical elections, including Rudd in 2007).
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Knows-Many-Things
I'm happy to be around some like minded people. I'm starting to get really heated by having to debate everywhere else how something so blatant can be racist.
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Anka Aquila
Saw the drawing myself, and yes, it’s racist, had the artist drawn everyone in the same way, maybe there could be some argument, but he didn’t. (And even then, exaggerating Serena’s proportions to such degree was completely uncalled for.)
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
A procrastination in of itself
He also aparently changed both the ref and the other player to being white.
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In the name of being honest
A BBC article on the role of Facebook in the spread of hate speech and racist propaganda in Myanmar.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Is interesting read about cases of "positive" discrimination. Especially when they were done...for my own people.
It turns out that in the first wave of asian immigration to my country (Mostly chinese). Amerindian woman married them due to the classic belief that Asians are inherently Hard Worker.
Then, the sons of those unions would marry "pure" Chinese in order to preserve their race. Of course.
I would like to read more about the early relationships between locals and chinese. Especially the andeans, given that Asian parenting is pretty similar to Andean parenting, with a focus in hierarchy and respect to family over everything.
Eventually. Our belief that asians were inherently hard worker bite us hard in the 90' when we got our first Asian President and Dictator. And a lazy one to boot.
Watch me destroying my country
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That, and because the Chino Fujimori (who's actually Japanese but the nickname stuck) was far more sympathetic than the White writer Mario Vargas Llosa, not to mention that the APRA (who were ruling at the moment) sabotaged the latter's campaign to the point that it made the much needed economical shock a boogieman.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
Governor of Maine and all round scumbag Paul Le Page said that people of color and Hispanics are enemies of the state.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37204837
Shin Megami Tensei IV
But remember this, deathtoamerikkka!!!
Now, seriously. This administration is actively trying to make reality every single negative stereotype of America.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 15th 2018 at 1:41:10 PM
Watch me destroying my country
To be fair to Trump, le Page is not part of his administration and has been saying odious things since before Trump was even candidate.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Oh, bother.
That is from two years ago.
Gah. No idea why it was trending on the BBC site today....
My bad.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
The Mod with the Migraine
So in another study that will shock absolutely no one, neighborhoods identified as "minority" are greatly devalued by white people, especially banks and business owners.
The joke is a bit outdated; a 40-year exodus of black Americans and the more recent influx of gentrifying whites put blacks in the minority in Greater Harlem a decade ago. But it speaks to a familiar truth about the way that even urbane, liberal whites think about black neighborhoods: as places not to go. In nearly every city, white yuppies have boundaries that can be invoked without further explanation: In Charleston, for years, it was north of Calhoun. In D.C., east of 16th. (Both those cities have gentrified too.)
Courtney Bonam used to hear a version of that in Chicago, where she taught psychology and African American studies at the University of Illinois, Chicago, before joining the University of California, Santa Cruz. “I’ve never heard anyone say, ‘I don’t want to live on the South Side because black people live there.’ But I’ve often heard people say, ‘I wouldn’t live south of Roosevelt or west of Western.’ That’s coded language and people feel just fine making comments like that.”
In a series of studies, Bonam has found that white Americans hold ironclad stereotypes about black neighborhoods—even when they display little or no animus toward black people. They’re likely to infer from the presence of a black family that a neighborhood is “impoverished, crime-ridden, and dirty,” though they make none of those assumptions about an identical white family in the same house. They’ll knock the value of a house down by $20,000, or nearly 15 percent, if they believe the neighborhood is black. Even after being explicitly told a neighborhood’s home prices and demographics, white participants showed a massive divergence in their perception of the neighborhood’s class depending on whether they thought it was black or white.
Results like these jibe with previous research indicating prejudices toward black space. One study found that more black and Latino residents increase the perception of social disorder. Another showed that putting more black people in a neighborhood decreases the perception of its quality. The sociologist Sharon Zukin has used Yelp to contrast perceptions of black and white gentrifying neighborhoods in New York.
How do we know it’s not just that the observer is racist? In her most recent research, published with Caitlyn Yantis and Valerie Jones Taylor, Bonam compared white participants’ impressions of people and places. Participants were given profiles of houses with values or people with incomes and asked to assign each profile a class indicator from 1 to 7. When assigning class status to people, the participants gave virtually the same rankings to white and black profiles. (Low bar, I know.) But when assigning class status to houses, knowing the race of the neighborhood led to widely divergent outcomes. Most strikingly, white participants were almost incapable of assigning middle-class status to houses in black neighborhoods.
Bonam calls this phenomenon “invisible middle-class black space.” People who are ready to accept the middle-class status of a black person can’t do the same with a neighborhood.
It’s a stereotype that is unfortunately rooted in history. Black neighborhoods in the United States have long been deprived of equivalent public services while having substandard and sometimes hazardous housing. In midcentury American cities, as Tom Sugrue’s Origins of the Urban Crisis expertly documents, restrictive housing laws forced extreme overcrowding in black neighborhoods. Sometimes, black families in those areas both had higher incomes and paid higher rents than their white neighbors a few blocks over. But they were barred from moving out, and whites came to see overcrowded black neighborhoods as a self-fulfilling prophecy, justifying the segregation that had created them.
The “neighborhood gap” is still with us. Chris Rock jokes that his black neighbors are all world-famous celebrities, and his white neighbor is a dentist. “He isn’t like the greatest dentist in history either. I had to host the Oscars to get that house—a black dentist in my neighborhood would have to invent teeth.” In fact, across all income levels, blacks and Hispanics tend to live in less affluent neighborhoods than their income-equivalent white peers—and pay more for it.
So in part, whites may be making an inference from what they know and see represented. But the stereotype then leads them to instantly misjudge counterexamples. There are, of course, middle-class black neighborhoods in the United States, even if they don’t exist in the white imagination. The strength of black-space stereotypes in Bonam’s research suggests white people wouldn’t know one if they saw one.
This has real consequences. One of Bonam’s experiments from 2016, which she modeled after real-life situations, asks participants whether they approve of the siting of a potentially hazardous chemical plant. You can guess what happens: All else held equal, there’s more support for putting it in a black neighborhood. (The study controls for racial animus.)
There has been plenty of explicit racism in the construction of the American city, from highway projects to school sites to lending, and that legacy stays with us. But this subtler devaluation of black space, Bonam posits, happens every day and influences how people connect to and protect these places. That might mean people with formal, institutional responsibilities—like a mortgage specialist at a bank, or a firefighter, or a city planner—as well as others who might not think to re-examine their own perceptions, like a driver going too fast on a residential street.
Is that cause or effect though? Is it that the value goes down because the because the neigborhoods are minority? Or are the neighborhoods minority because there already low value in the first place...
The US doesn't exactly treat minorities well, and I can see the later happening quite easily too due to being under payed with low prospects of getting any where. :/
Yes.
In the US poverty and racism are a wretched ouroboros.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 18th 2018 at 3:43:56 PM
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
The law in the night
Racism and disenfranchisement -> Minorities moving to poor neighborhoods -> Widespread poverty leads to crimes -> High criminality is associated with minorities in poor neighborhoods -> Racism and disenfranchisement.
Inter arma enim silent leges
So recently Yandy, an online retailer and fashion design company, caught some bad PR for their line of "sexy" Handmaid's Tale Halloween costumes. The costumes where cancelled and the company issued an apology.
What's not been given much attention, however, is the company's history of cultural appropriation.
But as plenty of people on Twitter have pointed out, now that the sexy Handmaid’s costume is taken down, no one cares about the rest of the site. The costume that is offensive to white women is now gone, so that’s all that matters; the culturally appropriative costumes can stay because they’re only making light of something that does not directly affect white feminists. The fact that we accept racially insensitive costumes as the norm is deeply troubling, and something we need to stop letting slide.
AFP has a piece today on the future of Bosnian politics:
They can vote in Sunday's general elections but will never be able to run for high office in a country where presidential candidates must identify as ethnic Serb, Croat, or Muslim.
"We are like ghosts in our country," said Lana Velic, a 36-year-old who does not talk about which group her parents come from.
"People have been told for 20 years that if they do not declare themselves as Serbs, Croats or Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims), they will lose their identity," Velic, who sits on Sarajevo's city council, told AFP.
The constitutional requirement for presidents to tick one of the three boxes is part of peace deal that stopped war between Bosnian Serbs, Croats and Muslims in the 1990s.
That conflict claimed more than 100,000 lives.
To halt the violence, the 1995 Dayton Peace Accords created a complex system that sees the Serb, Croat and Muslim presidents rotate chairs every eight months.
While it has brought peace to Bosnia, the set-up has effectively marginalised a segment of the population that could be the country's best hope for moving past its still-bitter communal divides.
- Four percent -
According to the 2013 census, the ostali make up four percent of the 3.5 million population, a figure that includes Jewish and Roma citizens.
In comparison, Bosnian Muslims make up slightly more than half of the population, followed by Orthodox Christian Serbs at around one third, and Catholic Croats at 15 percent.
"We expected to have at least 14 percent of people united by the idea that certain communities should not dominate others," said Jovan Divjak, another ostali who said he was disappointed by the census figure.
The former military man wishes only to identify as Bosnian.
But he is still remembered as the Serbian general who defended Sarajevo alongside Croats and Muslims during the war.
For many Serbs, this cooperation makes Divjak a traitor.
In Bosnia, "all problems are seen through the national prism: my people, my religion, my territory," he lamented.
- Court case -
In 2009, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) urged Bosnia to drop its official discrimination against presidential candidates and members of the upper chamber of the national parliament.
"And yet Sunday's elections will be the third since then without any constitutional change," said Jakob Finci.
Finci, a representative of a small Jewish community in Sarajevo, brought that case to the court in 2006.
But he sees little hope for change in a country where front-running nationalists are drawing the country's main groups even further apart.
There is one multi-ethnic political party, Nasa Stranka, that has made a home for ostali.
But they are minnows in a political scene where all the dominant players are defined by their ethnic affiliations.
Finci is not looking forward to Monday, the day after the polls.
International observers "will issue a statement saying that the elections went well", he says, forgetting the "citizens of this country who cannot be candidates."
Edited by Ominae on Oct 4th 2018 at 8:47:23 AM
Laquan McDonald: Chicago officer convicted of killing teen. Second-degree murder, that is, I am not sure what that means. If memory serves, the shooting - aside from the usual police officer vs. black person dynamic - also attracted attention because the city government (?) headed by Rahm Emanuel tried to cover it up.
(she/her)
Second degree murder is usually for intentional killings that werent planned.
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Interesting bit of intersectionality news - after staying very, very quiet about her overt white supremacist following for years, Taylor Swift is voting and campaigning for the Democrats. Kavanaugh may have shaken some significant leaves loose from the tree.
I think a lot of male tennis players are assholes TBH.
However, I'm totes on Serena's side in this.
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