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(I saw Allan mention the lack of one so I thought I'd make one.)

Recent political stuff:

  • The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
  • Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
  • The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.

A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM

Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#37176: Apr 19th 2019 at 6:44:39 AM

[up] Restarting the Troubles would look bad in any case.

TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#37178: Apr 19th 2019 at 7:12:09 AM

[up][up] You're late to the party. No offence.

The way things are going, unless someone can magically separate Northern Ireland from the rest of the Emerald Isle physically, the restart of The Troubles is imminent.

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RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#37179: Apr 19th 2019 at 8:45:16 AM

No, that would cause all the same problems, too.

Polite language for "The Irish Diaspora of the United States is heavily pro-Ireland and anti-Loyalist, and they'll flay us alive if you try to negotiate a deal after reneging on the peace process, so we wont do it."

And yet they're the ones that did their best to fund the IRA.

Edited by RainehDaze on Apr 19th 2019 at 4:46:59 PM

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TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#37180: Apr 19th 2019 at 10:02:49 AM

[up] That's pretty much what I meant, yeah. The Irish Diaspora in the States has pretty much been Green-tinted through and through. Orange is rare.

Which means that if the Good Friday Agreement collapses, they'll start pumping money back into the Provos (or whichever organization that comes close) and it'll be back to the bad old days again. It's super-bad.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Apr 19th 2019 at 1:06:33 PM

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RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#37181: Apr 19th 2019 at 10:16:11 AM

It just shows about how much they actually care about the peace process, though.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#37182: Apr 20th 2019 at 1:40:15 PM

So, apparently, a retired police officer spotted Diane Abbott on the Overground drinking an M&S can of mojito. He snapped a photo of her, sent it to the tabloids and demanded she 'face action' for illegally drinking alcohol on the Overground.

Diane Abbott has since publicly apologised for drinking on the Overground.

Later on, it was revealed that the same retired police officer has a history of making far-right posts on social media. The media didn't bother covering that bit.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#37183: Apr 20th 2019 at 1:54:18 PM

It's illegal to drink on the overground? Or is this one of those illegal-after-a-certain-time things? Not too up on the exact drinking legality of TfL.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#37184: Apr 20th 2019 at 2:00:05 PM

Overground, underground and I think even busses, it’s basically never enforced and exists purely to give the police a solid reason to remove annoying drunks without having to argue about if they were technically breaking the peace.

The idea of it being enforced over one of those stupid M&S cocktails in a can is laughable.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#37185: Apr 20th 2019 at 2:17:18 PM

Boris Johnson introduced it when he was Mayor. It's a TfL policy that alcohol shouldn't be consumed on the tube or TFL busses. However, I'm not sure it's genuinely illegal as opposed to being transport policy.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 20th 2019 at 10:19:02 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
annemarisa from Liverpool Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#37186: Apr 20th 2019 at 2:30:05 PM

There's also rules against it in Liverpool; at least I'm sure I've read signage at train stations to that effect.

It's definitely a local transport thing. The transpennine express for one sells alcohol so it should be permissable to drink it.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#37187: Apr 20th 2019 at 2:33:26 PM

I still think it's silly.

Besides, those diddy cans? A single mojito?

It's not exactly the six pack/ 2l bottle of Diamond White while on the way to a match/ stag do/ hen party that those flipping rules are actually aimed at, now, is it?

Edited by Euodiachloris on Apr 20th 2019 at 10:50:38 AM

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#37188: Apr 20th 2019 at 2:47:55 PM

Seems to me like someone wrote an overly broad law with the excuse "eh, nobody will enforce it" and then someone else started to enforce it.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#37189: Apr 20th 2019 at 2:58:49 PM

The rule is fine if enforced with some common sense, which is largely is.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#37190: Apr 20th 2019 at 3:02:16 PM

Besides which; lovely spring weather? A mojito is about right. It's certainly less embarressing than being caught drinking a can of Pim's or *shudders* a terribly tinny and mutilated little chablis.

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#37191: Apr 20th 2019 at 3:05:48 PM

I think the rules up here are mostly "don't drink on the trains after 9PM". So a bit different.

Hell, the trains to and from Aberdeen actually sell booze.

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#37192: Apr 20th 2019 at 3:10:26 PM

Plus apparently she was shopped by an ex-Senior Met officer with a questionable past who may or may not have been hired as a professional stalker private investigator by The Sun.

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singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#37193: Apr 20th 2019 at 3:18:37 PM

Thing is, the reaction I am seeing is generally in favour of Abbott - most people seem to be giving her a pass, for all the reasons mentioned above (apart from the fact it was a stitch up by the far right ex copper).

So err, good job The Sun for smearing an opposition politician for doing something ordinary that nearly everyone can relate to?

(At least it wasn't eating a bacon sandwich, that's completely unforgivable)

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#37194: Apr 20th 2019 at 3:43:44 PM

Try not to look ridiculous looking a sandwich or any other food, for that matter. It's food, not a foreign object.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#37195: Apr 20th 2019 at 4:35:35 PM

Yeah, I await the next scoop with baited breath. She ate two Gregg's eclairs because the second she had hoped to save for later called to her even though she knew it was a bad idea!!!1! tongue

Edited by Euodiachloris on Apr 20th 2019 at 12:36:24 PM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#37196: Apr 23rd 2019 at 7:52:42 AM

Yesterday, Chuka published an article to justify why ChUK won't be supporting a Remain Alliance in the EU Elections.

Today, the TIG Twitter account announces Heidi Allen's call to arms to form a Remain Alliance.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 20th 2021 at 1:11:25 PM

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#37197: Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:05:32 AM

I mean they've also come right out and said that they would back May in any No Confidence votes.

Because apparently the "we need change" party considers preserving the status quo to be preferable to actually fighting an election.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#37198: Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:24:38 AM

The posters from New York ought to find this kind of bullshit familiar too.

Independent Democratic Conference

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#37199: Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:39:49 AM

For CU Ks they’re surprisingly determined to fuck people.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#37200: Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:46:18 AM

[up]x4 &[up]x3

Their assorted attempts to justify not being wiped off the map in an election are about as transparent as Chuka's hair, but this seems to me to be an attempt at replicating the New Labour/SDP technique of parasitising an existing organised voting base with vague overtures towards the cause given a direct split didn't really work, just much less competently done or well-timed.

Four years ago they were expelling recently-joined Labour members because they used to be Greens and tilting at hypothetical Trot Stalinist entryists into their nice comfy party. First time as tragedy, second time as farce and so on.

Edited by DeathorCake on Apr 23rd 2019 at 3:46:37 PM


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