JAFAAC: The Wesley

I know that for the strek trek fandom he is self explanatory. But for a non fan like me (never watched the show) he is just an smiling young man.The caption hold too much weight.

For the same reason We Don't have David Xanatos as the trope image for Xanatos Gambit (wich is a legendary trope too by the way) we should drop this pic. This one needs a more self explanatory pic or no pic at all

edited 6th Feb '11 1:13:04 AM by FallenLegend

I sort of agree, but please fix your spelling.

For the record, I had never heard of David Xanitos before I found Xanatos Roulette and Xanatos Gambit on this very site.

I think The Wesley, Wesle yCrusher, and Star Trek are widespread enough through media and pop culture to know who he is, but I can't really comment on defending the pic.

edited 6th Feb '11 1:06:39 AM by DRCEQ

^^ Do note that English isn't his first language.

Anyway, I agree, but I can't seem to find any good images of Wesley actually doing what he apparently does best.

edited 6th Feb '11 1:07:38 AM by Komodin

Ah, okay. Sorry if I came across as rude. But I think it needs to be said when it's making it hard for me to understand what you're trying to say.

^ Sorry . I tried to fix my grammar by editing my post again :)

This is an almost entirely subjective trope. I personally don't think it's picturable, but as previous IPs have shown, that's rarely the case.

Rather than debating whether or not of it's just a face and a caption, I ask this:

Is it really a case of Fan Myopia if the character for whom the trope is named is used as the example image?

Generally, yes. Trope Namers aren't exempt from Just A Face And A Caption just because they're the Trope Namer.

The trope being named that in the first place might be a case of fan myopia.

Fan Myopia's when fans assume the work they're a fan of is more popular or at least easily recognizable by others, right?

I can understand concern over people letting Fan Myopia convince them to post up images with little context in general tropes—but when the trope's named for a specific character, and the article not only explains the trope but notes that it was named for that character because they exemplify the trope ... It just seems counter-intuitive to me to call "JAFAAC" on the image.

That's only if the solution to fixing a case of "JAFAAC" means replacing the subject of the example image with someone entirely different, though.

If the beef can be fixed by looking for a replacement picture of the character which more clearly shows the trope into action, that's a bit different ... but I still question the need for that in The Wesley's case.

I'd say the best bet, if you really think it's necessary (and I'm not convinced of that), is to find a picture that shows how much fans revile the character. The best thing I can think of would be if a fan artist drew a picture of how the fandom sees Wesley, or the fans expressing their dislike for him while showing Gene Roddenberry's favoritism for Wesley. You could probably try looking for something in Cracked or MAD Magazine. I know they had a parody comic of Star Trek: The Next Generation—but Cracked and MAD tend to be really wordy with speech balloons.

(EDIT: How did I forget the "dis" in "dislike?")

edited 6th Feb '11 2:31:35 AM by TrevMUN

A smug person with that kind of expression is perfect for this trope and its been up there since the trope was made.

I say it stays.

The current picture with the smug smiling totally looks like a Backpfeifengesicht.

...a what?

This is one instance where I really hate to see the Trope Namer not used as the pic, but the JAFAAC argument is sound. Are there any examples in the list that would make good images?

What about a picture of fans trowing tomatoes , to a Wesley's picture ?

If you had a picture of that, it would be great.

Nah the only way I could see a true replacement is if Wil Wheaton himself was doing it. hmm

There is this shirt from Big Bang Theory (more of the Incredibly Lame Pun variety though.)

BTW the trope image was top on every search looking for "wesley hate" and such so its iconic.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:33:08 AM by Raso

[1]◊ There is this... it wont resize well on the page though.

^^I like it

edited 6th Feb '11 7:42:44 AM by FallenLegend

Needs a good caption though. Something like a quote from that scene maybe "The Wesley Crushers, not the Wesley Crushers"? It's been a while since I saw the episode.

That fits The Scrappy more, since it just shows the hate from the audience, not the favor from the writers.

edited 6th Feb '11 1:22:04 PM by DragonQuestZ

Meh, I think if it's iconic enough to be the trope namer, it's iconic enough to be the page image. We've renamed pages like The Daria in the past; should people decide that The Wesley needs a name change, then the picture should change too. As it is, I find it helpful if the page image is the person the page was named after (partially so that, for instance, no one thinks it's a Princess Bride trope).

I never watched Star Trek....however, seeing is how he's the trope namer-I quickly figured it out, plus the caption with the face, honestly spelled it out for us-"The creator loved this kid, but the audience HATED HIM! Heck even the actor playing this guy hated him! He's that annoying!"

I think it should stay.

Considering that the Trope Namer has his own section on the page before all the other examples, I don't mind him being the page image.

Agreed, it already will explain it to those who aren't familiar...people like me for instance.

I'm fine with it as it is.