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deathpigeon Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Jul 6th 2013 at 2:46:31 AM

[up][up] Ugh! I should know better than to read spoilers! I wasn't there yet!

Pyrite Until further notice from Right. Beneath. You. Relationship Status: Hiding
Until further notice
Jul 6th 2013 at 3:02:32 AM

Jimmmy: FYI: it's Mount Carmel. Mount Caramel is located west of the Big Rock Candy Mountain and south of Hamburger Hill. (tongue)

edited 6th Jul '13 4:28:52 AM by Pyrite

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CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland   
Decoy
Jul 6th 2013 at 3:52:11 AM

And Jesus gets ressurected by R'hllor/The Others. It is ambiguous

edited 6th Jul '13 3:52:28 AM by CaptainKatsura

My President is Funny Valentine.
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 6th 2013 at 4:30:54 AM

L Dragon: to me, it's pretty much a 'take that'. The reason I feel that way is that a baseball is a tangible item, that if you have one, you can in fact show it to someone else who says that you don't. It can be proven whether you have one or not. God is not tangible. I can't show him to you (you-generic, that is). But by the same token, the fact that you (generic again) can't see him or touch him doesn't prove that he doesn't exist.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland   
Decoy
Jul 6th 2013 at 4:35:19 AM

At least black holes are detectable despite the fact we won't never 'see' them.

My President is Funny Valentine.
crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jimmmyman10 cannot into space from polan Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
cannot into space
Jul 6th 2013 at 12:06:33 PM

That's a take that. If proof by lack of proof was the only argument we had, there would be no reason to believe in god.

We can't prove that te universe isn't secretly inhabited by giant invisible space turtles, but it seems stupid to believe in them. No, the only thing that the inability to disprove something proves is that it COULD exist, not that it does. So that's the thing with miracles; they COULD exist, but you shouldn't say something's a miracle unless you have a reason to believe so. But that's another argument.

Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.
crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Jul 7th 2013 at 1:45:09 PM

Random question.

Wouldit be correct for Christians to call Jehovah's Witness heretics?

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 7th 2013 at 1:47:44 PM

Which group of Christians are you talking about? It does matter...

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Jul 7th 2013 at 1:48:59 PM

It depends? Well...in that case, the Protestant.

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jul 7th 2013 at 2:00:35 PM

That's ...still a lot of different groups who could have very different views on whether Jehovah's Witnesses are heretical.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Jul 7th 2013 at 2:07:19 PM

Hmm, this isn't an as simple of a question than I thought it would be.

In that case, what are denominations that do consider JW heretical?

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
Jul 7th 2013 at 3:01:43 PM

Most churches I've seen that label Witnesses as "heretics" are usually quick to label any denomination they disagree with as heretics.

Jimmmyman10 cannot into space from polan Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
cannot into space
Jul 7th 2013 at 7:53:40 PM

Yes, a large number of christian, especially "typical american" protestant denominations (because these overlap with "conservative" congregations, IMO) consider JW heretical.

While there are a number of doctrine they diverge from the majority of christian churches on, the biggest one is their rejection of the trinity: They don't believe that Jesus and God the father are one. God that father made everything, including Jesus, and the holy spirit is just god's power, not an actual person.

There are a number of others, including a rejection of the idea of an eternal soul for some people, and then there are some... more weird ones, however, the Trinity one is the main one. The majority of christian churches/denominations consider the trinity to be a fundamental part of christianity and therefore, by denying a fundamental part of christianity, JW are no longer christian.

However, the only person who can decide whether they're "heretical" or not is you. If there's one thing I... don't particularly like it when people use a denomination as their foundation for their beliefs. So read up on JW, and READ YO BIBLE, FOO. And then decide for yourself! Have they changed the bible? Have they misinterpreted it to mean something entirely different than what it was meant? Or do they simply dispute the details, while still believing in the "big picture"?

Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Jul 7th 2013 at 8:16:10 PM

I am raised in a Prebysterian background, currently attending Baptist church, and fascinated by Eastern Orthodox (more on that later). But in simple terms, I consider myself Nondenominational. I don't care about whatever so called leaders of any denomination say, what I value is what is written on The Bible (and even then I did say that I consider whoever follow it literally a mad man).

I don't mind Buddhists, Hinduists, Muslim, and even atheists. I respect their stances. However, Jehovah's Witness, and other so called "heretics", boil my blood with fury. I have no tolerance for them. If I could get away with it, I am afraid that the more rational and God-fearing part of me would be overwhelmed by my mad desire to commit physical violence.

Why is that so? I can't properly explain. I think it has to do with them going around people's doors like a solicitors. I once had them in front of my doors. I don't remember much, but one of the things they said was that I was not following the true way of God and that I need to accept their teachings in order to be truly saved.

I told them that I was not feeling well and kindly asked them to leave, which they did. However, I felt like grabbing my thick Study Bible and bash their heads in. I found their attitude revolting. Who do they think they are, followers of this generation's Martin Luther? I know that this is not the attitude that Christ would approve, but that's how it is with me.

Who knows. I don't know about JW that much so I can't really judge them. Even if I did, I shouldn't judge them, for those who judge will be judged. That's about all I can say.


In other note, I finished Ben Hur. It was a great movie, but the latter part after the horse race felt a bit proselytizing to my taste. I am already a Christian, so it shouldn't be a problem, but it might be a bit more uncomfortable to non-Christians. That said, the part where Ben-Hur gives up his vengeance and his family getting healed were very beautiful, and wouldn't look out of place in the actual Scripture. It was a pity that Ben Hur didn't get to attend one of Jesus' sermons. tongue

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland   
Decoy
Jul 8th 2013 at 6:57:04 AM

[up]I'm more annoyed with their irrational belief that organ transplants and blood transfusions are tainted. Polish legislators had to pass separate bill to prevent JW parents from killing their children in the name of religion. And even though JW here are forced by law to not refuse transfusions or organ transplants, their fellow believers still kick out them and treat like pariahs.

Jehova's witnesses in my town behaves more like shady mafia than proper denomination, and they make local Catholic zealots liberal.

edited 8th Jul '13 6:58:38 AM by CaptainKatsura

My President is Funny Valentine.
crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Jul 8th 2013 at 7:17:33 AM

Anecdotes like that justify my hatred of them, just a little bit.

Sometimes I wonder I am too bitter and sarcastic at times. I am certain that is not what Christ want.

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland   
Decoy
Jul 8th 2013 at 7:27:53 AM

Only sane man in Jehova's Witnesses family I knew was atheist. Enough said.

My President is Funny Valentine.
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Jul 8th 2013 at 7:39:42 AM

Indeed.

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland   
Decoy
Jul 8th 2013 at 7:41:23 AM

Given his love for gore horror genres and Postal series, he had lot of issues to vent off [lol]

My President is Funny Valentine.
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Jul 8th 2013 at 7:47:22 AM

Now I want to meet that guy. [lol]

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal

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