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So on the topic of miracles, would you say that this describes us well, or is it just a take that?◊
Ugh! I should know better than to read spoilers! I wasn't there yet!
Jimmmy: FYI: it's Mount Carmel. Mount Caramel is located west of the Big Rock Candy Mountain and south of Hamburger Hill. ()
edited 6th Jul '13 4:28:52 AM by Pyrite
And Jesus gets ressurected by R'hllor/The Others. It is ambiguous
edited 6th Jul '13 3:52:28 AM by CaptainKatsura
L Dragon: to me, it's pretty much a 'take that'. The reason I feel that way is that a baseball is a tangible item, that if you have one, you can in fact show it to someone else who says that you don't. It can be proven whether you have one or not. God is not tangible. I can't show him to you (you-generic, that is). But by the same token, the fact that you (generic again) can't see him or touch him doesn't prove that he doesn't exist.
At least black holes are detectable despite the fact we won't never 'see' them.
Avoid Dehydration. i'm gonna have to do some travelling one of these days.
That's a take that. If proof by lack of proof was the only argument we had, there would be no reason to believe in god.
We can't prove that te universe isn't secretly inhabited by giant invisible space turtles, but it seems stupid to believe in them. No, the only thing that the inability to disprove something proves is that it COULD exist, not that it does. So that's the thing with miracles; they COULD exist, but you shouldn't say something's a miracle unless you have a reason to believe so. But that's another argument.
Welcome To All. i can think of a few churches that could use this lesson.
Wouldit be correct for Christians to call Jehovah's Witness heretics?
Which group of Christians are you talking about? It does matter...
It depends? Well...in that case, the Protestant.
That's ...still a lot of different groups who could have very different views on whether Jehovah's Witnesses are heretical.
Hmm, this isn't an as simple of a question than I thought it would be.
In that case, what are denominations that do consider JW heretical?
Most churches I've seen that label Witnesses as "heretics" are usually quick to label any denomination they disagree with as heretics.
Yes, a large number of christian, especially "typical american" protestant denominations (because these overlap with "conservative" congregations, IMO) consider JW heretical.
While there are a number of doctrine they diverge from the majority of christian churches on, the biggest one is their rejection of the trinity: They don't believe that Jesus and God the father are one. God that father made everything, including Jesus, and the holy spirit is just god's power, not an actual person.
There are a number of others, including a rejection of the idea of an eternal soul for some people, and then there are some... more weird ones, however, the Trinity one is the main one. The majority of christian churches/denominations consider the trinity to be a fundamental part of christianity and therefore, by denying a fundamental part of christianity, JW are no longer christian.
However, the only person who can decide whether they're "heretical" or not is you. If there's one thing I... don't particularly like it when people use a denomination as their foundation for their beliefs. So read up on JW, and READ YO BIBLE, FOO. And then decide for yourself! Have they changed the bible? Have they misinterpreted it to mean something entirely different than what it was meant? Or do they simply dispute the details, while still believing in the "big picture"?
I am raised in a Prebysterian background, currently attending Baptist church, and fascinated by Eastern Orthodox (more on that later). But in simple terms, I consider myself Nondenominational. I don't care about whatever so called leaders of any denomination say, what I value is what is written on The Bible (and even then I did say that I consider whoever follow it literally a mad man).
I don't mind Buddhists, Hinduists, Muslim, and even atheists. I respect their stances. However, Jehovah's Witness, and other so called "heretics", boil my blood with fury. I have no tolerance for them. If I could get away with it, I am afraid that the more rational and God-fearing part of me would be overwhelmed by my mad desire to commit physical violence.
Why is that so? I can't properly explain. I think it has to do with them going around people's doors like a solicitors. I once had them in front of my doors. I don't remember much, but one of the things they said was that I was not following the true way of God and that I need to accept their teachings in order to be truly saved.
I told them that I was not feeling well and kindly asked them to leave, which they did. However, I felt like grabbing my thick Study Bible and bash their heads in. I found their attitude revolting. Who do they think they are, followers of this generation's Martin Luther? I know that this is not the attitude that Christ would approve, but that's how it is with me.
Who knows. I don't know about JW that much so I can't really judge them. Even if I did, I shouldn't judge them, for those who judge will be judged. That's about all I can say.
In other note, I finished Ben Hur. It was a great movie, but the latter part after the horse race felt a bit proselytizing to my taste. I am already a Christian, so it shouldn't be a problem, but it might be a bit more uncomfortable to non-Christians. That said, the part where Ben-Hur gives up his vengeance and his family getting healed were very beautiful, and wouldn't look out of place in the actual Scripture. It was a pity that Ben Hur didn't get to attend one of Jesus' sermons.
I'm more annoyed with their irrational belief that organ transplants and blood transfusions are tainted. Polish legislators had to pass separate bill to prevent JW parents from killing their children in the name of religion. And even though JW here are forced by law to not refuse transfusions or organ transplants, their fellow believers still kick out them and treat like pariahs.
Jehova's witnesses in my town behaves more like shady mafia than proper denomination, and they make local Catholic zealots liberal.
edited 8th Jul '13 6:58:38 AM by CaptainKatsura
Jesus Loves Me. this one makes me feel all warm inside
Anecdotes like that justify my hatred of them, just a little bit.
Sometimes I wonder I am too bitter and sarcastic at times. I am certain that is not what Christ want.
Only sane man in Jehova's Witnesses family I knew was atheist. Enough said.
Given his love for gore horror genres and Postal series, he had lot of issues to vent off
Now I want to meet that guy.
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