Not to mention that the Alliance was of convenience at best. All it took was for its power to get completely wasted (the fleet, its armies, and the Gravestone) and now the Republic and Empire are back to fighting again, so the Outlander has no other course but to join back up with their faction and continue on.
I do admit though, Bio Ware at least did good writing the ways it got thrashed. Agents from both factions destabilizing the Alliance so they can continue on, ancient supercomputers waking up again...
Edited by theLibrarian on Oct 22nd 2019 at 10:01:48 AM
IHE
IDK, it was still pretty contrived how all still transpired. At least to me.
Maybe they shouldn't have introduced such an absurdly powerful weapon to begin with.
Then again, after Valkyrion's death, I'm not really sure what else they can do that doesn't sound dragged out. They're still using Tenbrae as a plotline.
Edited by agent-trunks on Oct 25th 2019 at 12:17:05 PM
Would that it were so simple.
"So back to the old grind now that both the Eternal Empire and the Eternal Alliance are gone, eh?
Also you'd think that the Empire would have learned its lesson considering how Corellia ended for them last time."
Thank fucking god, I hated everything about the Eternal Empire and Eternal Alliance. KOTFE and KOTET were basically the game's Dork Age for me; clearly an example of Bio Ware trying to capture a piece of Dragon Age Inquisition's premise and placing it within the Star Wars universe. Throw that shit straight in the trash where it belongs.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
So apparently the reason Kira and Scourge never showed up in Fallen Empire and Eternal Throne despite how heavily it involved Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorian was because they were off on their own journey to find and destroy his original body. They succeeded, by the way.
That in a book?
IHE
No, it was finally revealed at the end of Onslaught. Answered from themselves no less.
I can't believe it took 5 years to finally see them again.
Edited by agent-trunks on Oct 27th 2019 at 8:07:41 AM
Team Rocket Boss.
5 years huh? Wow.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Star Wars: The Old Republic is now on Steam!
(Still requires you to make an account with EA though, so... not that useful, really).
I'm so sick of Empire vs. Republic.
The Eternal Empire had its flaws but they should never be at war again.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Team Rocket Boss.
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Honestly, i've enjoyed the new Expac because it's Empire vs Republic.
All these new factions are either Hutt Gangsters, destroyed childhood cults, and the Sith Empire with a different coat of paint.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
The war can never end or never even change so it seems so....pointless.
Introduce the Yuuzhan Vong or Cthulhu.
Just saying.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
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Here the war is far more interesting, the Sith may be doomed to go back to chronic villainy but it is interesting to see their attempts at actually building a sustainable society while the Jedi have to actually work with a corrupt republic.
Like when i sign up to be a Sith Inquisitor, i do not want to be called Commander.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
IHE
The Eternal Empire had its flaws but they should never be at war again.
I agree, it just tells me that the whole Star Wars verse just can't move on from its formulaic ideas. The fact that you can't refuse to join either side is annoying too & feels like it defeats the entire purpose of the Eternal Empire arc.
For what its worth, I do appreciate the spying aspect. It shakes up a lot of status quo.
And the ideas you mention makes me annoyed that your character isn't focusing on rooting out the corruption of the Empire & Republic but another waging another war
Team Rocket Boss.
I RP my Sith as totally on board with reformation despite being a psychopath. Like even forming a villainous friendship with Malgus despite the awkwardness, and treating imperial troops with respect like that Twilek commando.
While gleefully killing Jedi and republic citizens.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Yeah, the best you can do if you're a loyalist is minimize the damage in certain places.
Team Rocket Boss.
One could argue that the whole Sith and Jedi war is one of the appeals of the Old Republic, not fighting boring third party threats.
Arcann, a Darth Jadus he ain't. Like shit, the whole Children of the Emperor arc, the Jedi Consuler had to deal with was far more interesting than the entirety of the Eternal Empire.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2020 at 10:28:10 AM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
I have a question regarding the game and the lore.
Is there a justification given in the lore why playable characters with no force powers (Trooper, Smuggler, Bounty Hunter, and Imperial Agent) can fight guys like the Sith Emperor and Revan without being horribly killed in seconds or is just Gameplay and Story Segregation.?
Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jul 27th 2020 at 1:02:40 AM
IHE
The same logic that applied in Star Wars: The Clone Wars
The Agent sort of addresses this at one point in their story, but it answers "How could you beat a very powerful Sith Lord?" with "Well, probably you couldn't." You can sort of end up in a protracted firefight with Jadus, which itself is odd to think about, but story-wise the best you can do is distract him long enough for reinforcements to arrive.
How that pares up with some of the later stuff, or even other stuff within the base game, well. Story-wise, at least in the case of Revan you don't ever outright solo him; you're either with a team of other players or with a bunch of other big-name NPCs. Some of the stuff in Fallen Empire handwaves that Valkorian is outright protecting you. When it comes to the finale, meanwhile, it's seemingly not really an outright battle, but a battle in your mind where you ultimately rewrite Vaylin's mental conditioning to apply to Valkorian. Which, if that was possible, seems like Valkorian should've been a bit more wary about mind-hopping into you but whatever.
Edited by Lavaeolus on Jul 27th 2020 at 11:39:30 AM
Valkorian was a Sith Lord who fancied himself a god. He probably thought he was completely beyond you.
Probably my favourite part of the Bounty Hunter story is not do they not care, they can be outright mocking of force users.
Team Rocket Boss.
Ironically out of all the badass normal classes, the Agent is the most well equipped to handle force users, as they receive training specifically to counter Jedi.
It would have been to much work, but Badass Normal classes having extra scenes where they use things like sonic weapons to disorientate Valkorian's children and other force users would have been neat.
And a nice call-back to HK's training in KOTOR 2.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 27th 2020 at 4:33:57 AM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Would that it were so simple.
@Charles
The Eternal Empire was the stupidest part of the entire game. SWTOR is only good when there's some variety of Empire vs. Republic. KOTFE feels like the absolute trashbin of Bio Ware storytelling.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
But it is noteworthy that the Sith Emperor is not a simple Darth, he is one of the most powerful users of the force that existed, only surpassed by beings like Legends Darth Sidious.
Even Darth Marr is Fodder for him.
Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jul 27th 2020 at 6:35:26 AM
To be fair, while the idea of the Alliance was sound at first, it unfortunately made sense for the status quo to be restored after Vitiate's final defeat since, to be frank, the Gravestone and Eternal Fleet were such a Story-Breaker Power that keeping them active would have trivialized literally anything the writers could come up with as a threat.