The New Thundercats

@Star Outlaw

Okay seriously, dude your post is riddled with insults and not once did I make one provoking remark that called for them.

The Thundercats 2011 was off to a good start and had good feedback.

As it went along it's pacing was terrible and as a result it got the proper response for devolving to such.

It got off the ground and had the backing of nostalgia (just because some people here said they weren't doesn't mean others aren't).

The old Thundercats already had the anime-type feel and making it even more was unnecessary an Avatar rip-off what with being no intro and so on.

As said from the commenting section of this one site about Thundercats 2011 failure:

I would combat those points on the original series, but you're being far too belligerent nor willing to listen to the dissenting opinion. I've listened to yours and it's very one-sided dude.

edited 17th Jul '13 8:52:40 PM by Couchpotato20

And your points haven't been one sided? You did plenty to provoke me by acting like a total disrespectful jackass. There's disliking a show and then there's being a douche about it, so excuse me if I have a hard time being civil with you. It didn't occur to you that dumping all over this show might irritate someone, and that perhaps you should use some more tact when criticizing it? Don't start acting like you've got the moral high ground.

So if the general consensus is that the show sucked, then explain to me the petition that got over 9,000 signatures to bring it back. Explain to me why Toonami decided to run the show, even rerunning it up until their rights to it expire. Explain to me how it could get over a 1 million in ratings several times on Toonami at a time past midnight alongside shows like Bleach. Explain to me how even now that it's on at 3:00 am it it can get a higher rating than Eureka 7 before it. You can check it all out here. Explain why I keep seeing people on tumblr wishing it would come back. And explain to me how this show getting cancelled it different from good shows like Sym-Bionic Titan, Motorcity, Tron Legacy, and Young Justice also getting cancelled. Explain why there's so much work and content on its tropes page. Explain to me why it wasn't just forgotten when it ended its first run a year ago.

And do I have to keep reminding you that Cartoon Network basically mandated that the intro had to be short? That they couldn't use more than about 15 seconds of the theme song? That maybe, just maybe, the show runners wanted an intro but couldn't make one, and they weren't just being lazy as you seem to be implying? Of course, having a longer intro is just so fucking important right?

Oh hey, I can post quotes from that page too, from the same comment section, and btw that article is about why the show was cancelled despite being good:

And there's a lot more like those that outnumber the negative, so quit acting like your opinion is the majority. You do not speak for everyone else.

edited 17th Jul '13 11:02:03 PM by StarOutlaw

INTERNET◊ FIGHT!◊

That really does cheer me up a bit.

(Sigh) Why do I feel this will end up becoming another rage/complaint thread?

edited 18th Jul '13 6:27:22 AM by KingKix

Then let's make it not be a rage/complaint thread, and instead be constructive with our ideas!

I know, if you're upset about something in the show, suggest how it could have been better or what you would've done if you were in charge. Otherwise, don't say anything!

The show was great, but it could get a little episodic in parts. Personally, more flow would have been better. But you know how execs are, kiddies can't keep track of too many long arcs

I would have made one of the more fillery episodes more Cheetara centric, since she needed more development.

Hmm, how would you have developed her? Focused on why she was an orphan, or her training?

Probably both. It would also be interesting to know why Cheetara naturally has super speed; it seems to be a magic skill for other clerics and not something they're born with. Seeing how the clerics trained Cheetara could explain her behavior towards Lion-O. I think that the clerics were like a very close knit family, and while they're very secretive towards non-clerics, they might have been extremely open and affectionate towards each other. If Cheetara was a lonely orphan, that might have had a big effect on her, and she took that towards other people, including Lion-O, resulting in misunderstanding.

I've also heard that Dan Norton said something about Cheetara holding some guilt over something in her past on his deviantArt, but that's very vague. Maybe she blamed herself for the death of her parents, but I really have no theories.

I also had this idea that maybe Tygra learned invisibility magic to try and impress Cheetara while she was learning magic, but he didn't know how to dispell it and she didn't see it, or something like that.

edited 19th Jul '13 10:38:07 AM by StarOutlaw

If that's the case, though, you'd think that Lion-O would know about Tigra and Cheetara's past more. Especially since Lion-O seemed closer to Jaga.

So I just discovered this show today.

The Audience-Alienating Premise made the whole thing sound stupid.

Then I opened Ep 1 just to try it, and I got really caught into the melodrama.

The king is one cool cat. And yet his friends backstabbed him twice in the same day? That's rough, buddy.

edited 24th Dec '17 1:12:35 PM by TheHandle

Too bad the show doesn't ever meet the high bar set by the opening episodes.

Anyone think there should be a new Thundercats series on Netflix. It worked for Voltron after all.

As long as the quality doesn’t go straight to Hell the way Voltron’s had.

Or the 2011 series around “New Alliances.” It was a shame how badly they bungled the start.

edited 26th Dec '17 7:26:04 PM by Beatman1

I would have a setting similar to the 80's series, with an art style like the 2011 series.

Huh, what audience alienating premise?

I thought the show had potential, but there was a tad too much filler. Though at least the series remained true to the original series’ main theme, which was all about Lion-O maturing into a worthy leader.

I just wish the series had lasted long enough to introduce characters from the classic series like Mandora the Evil Chaser.

edited 27th Dec '17 8:54:49 PM by M84

The soundtrack is amazing, though, isn't it?

Indeed. The music is pretty awesome.

I liked the 2011 series, but I think that it largely was a missed opportunity. It solves a number of logical problems from the original series (like making Lion-O a teenager, when gives him all the same "maturing into a leader" problems as the artificially aged Lion-O had without being, you know, goofy). I think, though, it would have worked better if they'd kept the original idea that the Thunderians had to abandon their homeworld, or at least made their main quest trying to reunite their scattered people. I did not like their take on Tygra; I think he would have been better suited to his original "wise counsellor" persona, rather a pseudo-rival for command.

It worked for me since I saw it as a coming of age story for Tygra too. He starts growing into the big brother role while letting go of lingering resentment over the course of season 2.

The show had a lot of issues. From Lion-O having to learn the same lessons again and again across multiple episodes (When he's not learning Fantastic Aesop that don't even make sense), which got repetitive, to some more technical issues (The fight scenes were terrible with characters teleporting or just disappearing mid way through)

edited 28th Dec '17 10:37:27 PM by Ghilz

I actually miss some of the classic series fight scenes. The mirror match between Lion-O and Mumm-ra shapeshifted into a palette swap of Lion-O was pretty good.

There's a weird episode in the original where Mumm-Ra pretends to be King Arthur of all people to challenge Lion-O to a duel. But the fight scene that emerges is...surprisingly well done. There was no real creativity with the fights after a certain point.

80's Thundercats was WEIRD. But it was still memorable because it was weird.