Super Smash Bros.

They’re costumes. They’re skins pasted over the character. It is absolutely not possible to alter their movesets like that.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Nov 24th 2020 at 1:49:14 PM

If nothing else, it defeats the purpose of, y'know, costumes.

They're special costumes. Why not?

You can already change custom moves as it is, just between a specific class. This could just make it so you can toggle to one custom move layout that doesn't have that artificial distinction, but sets it a specific way.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Nov 24th 2020 at 2:08:18 PM

Because each Mii Fighter variant is considered its own fighter, mixing and matching moves would essentially be creating a new one, which, it bears repeating, defeats the purpose of what is obviously meant to be a low-effort way to represent characters.

It would also mean that it's more than a cosmetic costume but a unique gameplay configuration that you have to pay for, and that's not what the outfits are supposed to be. They're not DLC characters.

Edited by Perseus on Nov 25th 2020 at 7:11:49 AM

Bomberman now: choose between 3 options for 4 move slots (out of 36 total custom moves, split between classes and move slots).
Bomberman specific: exactly 1 specially assigned layout from the 36 options above, set by the game. Nothing more.

"36 total custom moves" is misleading wording. The three types of Mii Fighter are separate characters. It's like asking for Mario's purple-and-yellow palette to paste one of Wario's specials onto him.

Edited by Perseus on Nov 25th 2020 at 7:17:49 AM

It's not disingenuous, it's accurate. There are 36 custom moves, split between 3 fighters and 4 slots. Reassigning would just mean that for one specific layout, Bomberman (for example) could do this, instead of this.

It's not the same as a full character. Hell, Mii Costume headgear already isn't locked to a specific class.

It's just setting it so that a couple of costumes, not even all of them, have one specific layout available. It's not redesigning all of Mii Fighters, and it's not making a free for all of move options.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Nov 24th 2020 at 2:27:34 PM

Forget it. This is pointless.

Edited by Perseus on Nov 25th 2020 at 7:20:55 AM

Yeah, honestly, the Mii Fighters are all different characters, almost none of the other's custom moves would work on them. You'd have to do some crazy balancing to make all of them work, and some new animation edits to make them flow, and at that point, it's just not worth the effort.

It definitely sounds interesting, to be fair, but it would seriously mess up the whole flow of Mii Fighters.

Also, if costumes gave special attacks, then wouldn't it be borderline pay to win?

So it's going to be a couple of months since Steve's come out by the time of the Game Awards on December 10th, so how likely do you guys think the next character will be revealed during it?

0%.

It's a maybe though they tend to favour western releases.

I think you have it the other way around. Japanese companies tend not to do reveals at The Game Awards.

What is going on with this FreeMelee stuff? Twitter, Reddit, and Gamefaqs are all on fire and I'm sitting here confused.

Smash tournament was going to use a Rom of Melee so that it can be played online and Nintendo shut it down. This has upset some people.

Ohh, okay. Thanks!

Still don't understand how they didn't see that coming.

Edited by Perseus on Nov 24th 2020 at 8:47:54 PM

Inversely, due to this year, the VGAs will be live from three locations, including Tokyo.

> Still don't understand how they didn't see that coming.

Its like a train in the distance,they assumed it was too far away

It's a touch more complicated than that. It was an official Nintendo sponsored event. They were also going to run a modded version of Melee and Ultimate (or run Slippi over it or something. I've been hearing it's a shell program or something, but it's still something that alters the game in a manner akin to modding). They were approached on the matter beforehand, but were issued a C&D when they wouldnt abdicate that set-up.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Nov 24th 2020 at 9:14:24 AM

I think past that it's also blown up further due to tournament organizers piping up about Nintendo's general Executive Meddling attitude towards the scene with the usual eSport sponsor groups like Red Bull or Twitch being unable to set stuff up for the Smash scene due to Nintendo's nintendencies to not be cooperative on that front.

That's the gist I've gathered, at least.

Edited by NesClassic on Nov 24th 2020 at 8:15:50 AM

All I'm going to say that if that Iwata quote really is true then I'm not taking Nintendo's side on this.

That's not true, Brawler & Swordsman already have a move they share together which is naturally the Counter. I would like to have the option for my Brawler to have the option to have more ki projectile moves like Mario & Ryu instead of skeet ball. If Samus & Lucario can both have Charged Shots then I don't see why the Brawler can't either. The only reason why I don't see this happening is that they don't want to put the effort into animating it.

Also, balancing wouldn't even be an issue. The Mii Fighters are consistently low to bottom tiers so if anything else, more people would care about them getting more options to improve the characters.

Unless Sword Fighter has 2 counters (I forget), they don't share moves.

Brawler's counter doesn't function like a normal counter, it's basically a throw that only reacts to melee attacks.

Iwata quote?