Super Smash Bros.

It's a lack of acknowledgment on your part.

Captain Toad just gave Toad quite a bit of original moveset potential...as well as moves can be similar to others.

I love me a good EEnE reference.

My only problem with Toad is I'm not sure how they would make him an interesting fighter. They definitely *could*, these are the devs that made Piranha Plant and Wii Fit Trainer into a fighter, but there's not much that comes to mind as unique to Toad with great move potential.

So this is a thing.

I personally think Toad (Captain or otherwise) would be a boring choice, but I don't see the harm of him making it in.

Oh, that's creative

Edited by agent-trunks on Mar 28th 2020 at 1:26:32 AM

I don't understand the word boring in this context...

I guess it must mean something, maybe in regards to DLC specifically.

I would consider Captain Toad a seperate character to the generic Toads, same way Bandana Waddle Dee is to Waddle Dees. I guess they could make them a Composite Character though, since they won't both be in anytime soon. Maybe an echo at best, but Toadette or Toadsworth could also take that role. What kind of potential moves does Captain Toad bring to the table?

It's a crucial part of Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker that Captain Toad can't jump, removing a major mechanic of Smash itself. His playstyle, similar to his game, would instead involve outsmarting and outplaying your opponent using your tools and the stage to your advantage.

I think this video does a nice job of describing it.

Toad(the main one) is separated from the generic Toads as well. And then there's Captain Toad, who is a different person altogether(Smash really doesn't care if people are separate or not, mind you. Alts, Spirits, there's no real logic sometimes. That, and it's possible Sakurai really didn't know that the main Toad and Captain Toad are actually different people officially).

That said, I agree that an issue with the main Toad is a lack of moves unique to him. Waluigi doesn't have this problem overall(air swimming), but he's not much better either. It's not that Toad can't do a ton of great things, or make an easy moveset out of. But what abilities makes him stand out to begin with? Being a missing all-star isn't inherently enough. With some characters(like Isabelle), you can branch a moveset off of another character and change them up to better fit. Toad really doesn't have a particular character where that could work either. Like, you could say the closest one is maybe Wario with a lot of unique abilities, as well as something to base a Kart usage off of, and I'd call that a stretch. Albeit, Banjo & Kazooie was based upon Ridley, but still. I don't think that's enough details to make a moveset out of, more or less. Even if Toad had a spore move or two(using Peach's Toad and Wario Waft as ways to create it), you still have little to work with. Captain Toad of course gets rallied behind because he does have unique abilities as is that Toad simply doesn't. It's not just the "More specific character" thing either. Though I won't deny that did spark interest.

(To answer something from last page, the Toads are basically extremely similar outside of colors. They're a race and all. Having even the Blue one doesn't work that well when you have a serious lack of colors if you can't use Red, another normal color too. The main Toad has gone between Red and Blue before anyway. However, it'd be a lot easier at that point to give Peach a Toadsworth model to move Toad as a full playable character. Though as I noted with the Springtron thing, that's a lot of extra work, so I don't think it would happen this game. But next game, Toad feels like he has a far better chance.)

The way Smash Bros Crusade does it, Toad borrows a few special moves from the different games where he's playable: the giant turnip from 2, the different mushroom power-ups from Mario Kart, and the propeller hat from New Super Mario Bros. The rest of his moves seem like Smash originals.

Perhaps toad could be like he is in 2, high damage and speed but with low jumps.

Toad can always use the power ups.

Up Special: Propeller Shroom Down Special: Ground Pound Neutral Special: Boomerang Side Special: uh...can't come up with anything for the moment

Ice Flower?

An Ice Flower ability could be neat, especially if at higher percents it starts freezing opponents (though that might make it a bit on the strong side).

Perhaps more mushrooms?(dash mushroom for side b, propellor mushroom for up b, etc)

Nani?

Everyone is an echo of falcon confirmed

Ridley’s my favorite Banjo-Kazooie character!

Edited by GeneralGigan817 on Mar 28th 2020 at 5:07:24 AM

Datamine stuff. Ridley was used to help create the pair. Similar to how Bowser Jr. was used to help create Piranha Plant(due to the vehicle bit).

I knew Banjo borrow a lot from Ridley to begin with, I didn't know it was to that extent.

That's kinda disappointing to know.

Why? None of their moves even look the same...

The closes thing is neutral air and even then...

Edited by randomness4 on Mar 29th 2020 at 1:21:37 AM

Yeah, the fact they were able to take from Ridley of all characters and seamlessly adapt it to the Bear and Bird, to the point where it's not even noticeable, is seriously impressive.

It seems like the idea isn't "make a clone" so much as "use the programming to help create the character" in cases like these. Stuff like long range jabs, multi projectiles, stuff like that.

For a quick example, take Waluigi's movements and such. Only Wario has similar ones that could be used as a base. The actual bodyshape would need someone similar to him otherwise if he's not using a skeleton from scratch. Programming pieces aren't the same as an actual model or skeleton either. Or another example would be Ness' jump. The special floaty design. This has been guessed as being reused for Mewtwo, who shares a near identical jump(Lucas apparently too in Brawl, though in 4, it was noted Lucas was built off Ness, so...). This could be the kind of thing that is more the idea of what using Ridley was for. I mean, coincidentally Ridley is more of a bird in Other M(pterodactyl and all), but...

This whole thing giving me the hilariously dark image of Ridley sadistically describing his murder of Samus' parents to her... via goofy Banjospeak with captions at the bottom.

What woul his banjospeak even sound like?

I'd imagine his sounds from Smash, though funniest to give him Mr Vile's voice from Bubblegoop Swamp.

Captain Blackeye from Banjo-Tooie.

“Arr-a-arrarr arrr-a-arrr arr-arr”

"Arrr then I ate em with ketchup and fries!"

-belchs-

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 29th 2020 at 3:17:05 PM