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Tacitus Watching Troy Burn from year 2016-IV
Sep 9th 2019 at 6:00:00 PM

There is one thing I've been wondering about Machine Empires (because I'm a robot fiend and so the idea of playing as robots is inherently appealing to me :V) - if you're not playing as a Machine Intelligence - i.e. you're using one of the standard government types, just your population is made of metal instead of meat (or cellulose) - do you still have to build your own Pops, and is your leader still immortal? (Which would mean that you have the same leader for the entire game if it's an autocratic/dynastic government)

Unfortunately, you have to be a Machine Intelligence to start as an all-robot empire, you're locked out of the standard government types and your head of state is the AI network. Apparently robots can't outlive their creators, develop individual consciousnesses, and evolve politically like organics. NieR: Automata lied to us all.

On the upside, if you take an organic empire through the Synthetic Evolution ascension line, it will retain whatever government you started with, so yes you can have an immortal bot-emperor until such time he walks on a live power cord and shorts out. And even if you start and stay organic, with the right ethos, policies and technology you can build a population of sentient Synths that can run for office in a star democracy.

I know organic empires build robots by constructing a robot factory building on a planet and letting it automatically contribute to new bot pops, and while I haven't played a synth empire since the Megacorp mega-patch, I suspect they get to skip the "factory" part.

Edited by Tacitus on Sep 9th 2019 at 8:01:27 AM

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Ramidel Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Sep 9th 2019 at 6:14:35 PM

They do and they don't. Synth empires build robots using Replicator jobs, but they're built using the capital building. You can add an extra Replicator job with an assembly plant.

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PresidentStalkeyes 'Tyanut'sya k nebu...' from Novosibirsk Station
'Tyanut'sya k nebu...'
Sep 9th 2019 at 8:24:09 PM

That's weird - the game's wiki doesn't say anything about that particular limitation. Ah well, doesn't bother me too much - I can just mentally reflavour certain things.

Actually, I have seen videos of AI Rebellions in action, and this does make it funnier how the whole rebellion starts out with individual drone units achieving some form of free will and asking their creators if they have souls - only for them all to get assimilated into a wider AI once the rebellion itself actually starts. "Join my AI network, they said! You'll be free from the oppressor, they said!" :V

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands
Redmess
Sep 10th 2019 at 12:52:32 PM

So I heard over at the Civ thread that Civ VI is getting a Battle Royale mode. Somehow.

So it seems only a matter of time now before EU IV gets a BR mode, right?

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland
Overlording the Underworld
Sep 10th 2019 at 1:03:37 PM

I mean, you can already do the Strategy equivalent of BR by having every player as their own team and make a house rule of no alliances. Small map to minimize the time to contact and there you go. Not sure what the point is to a dedicated Battle Royale mode.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands
Redmess
Sep 10th 2019 at 1:29:12 PM

Well, if you watch the trailer, they didn't just get a Battle Royale mode, it also includes an apocalypse themed map and various related science fiction factions, like mutants, cultists etc. As far as BR Ms go, this one is pretty involved.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland
Overlording the Underworld
Sep 10th 2019 at 1:38:08 PM

Right, I did forget that Battle Royales generally involve a shrinking map.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Sep 10th 2019 at 1:49:00 PM

So it seems only a matter of time now before EU IV gets a BR mode, right?

Not really.

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland
Overlording the Underworld
Sep 10th 2019 at 5:56:20 PM

Paradox has its own thing going, they don't have to play follow the leader.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands
Redmess
Sep 10th 2019 at 6:05:39 PM

I was only kidding, of course. Though something like a massive multiplayer mode would be fun.

PresidentStalkeyes 'Tyanut'sya k nebu...' from Novosibirsk Station
'Tyanut'sya k nebu...'
Sep 10th 2019 at 9:42:44 PM

Bit of a technical question here; is Stellaris an especially taxing game to run? I need to buy a new laptop and I was debating whether or not I should get a 'gaming' one or just a normal one (and I don't particularly feel like going all-out with a desktop PC since I can't think of many other games I'd play besides low-intensity retro games, and it'd be more of a hassle to set up). My initial assumption was that gaming laptops are for more graphically-intense games like your Overwatches and your Crysises, but I could be wrong.

Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Sep 10th 2019 at 5:45:55 PM

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Kiefen MINE! from Germany Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
MINE!
Sep 10th 2019 at 11:56:28 PM

Currently there is a massive late-game strain on CPU usage due to the new population system being buggy/unoptimized.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands
Redmess
Sep 11th 2019 at 1:28:58 AM

EU IV has the same problem late game. It has something to do with countries blobbing, I think, because it even happens in the lobby when creating a custom country (if it's huge enough, deselecting a province will cause increasing lag).

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MINE!
Sep 11th 2019 at 1:42:45 AM

IIRC the current lag in Stellaris is due to there being too many unnecessary checks for population based events. Like events that can only occur at the end of a month/year are being checked daily for every single pop in the galaxy.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands
Redmess
Sep 11th 2019 at 3:29:02 AM

I suspect there is something similar going on with EU IV checking provinces in countries, hence why the lag gets bigger with bigger countries.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Sep 11th 2019 at 4:27:19 AM

Don't think anything will ever beat the "can I castrate?" bug, though.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 11th 2019 at 1:27:41 PM

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Balmung Chain Breaker from Nebraska, Free American Empire Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Chain Breaker
Sep 11th 2019 at 6:13:03 AM

Anyway, to answer the original question, laptops aren't going to be great for Paradox games, as most, save the highest end ones, use lower-performance processors that can only temporarily sustain high clock speeds and lack the cooling to run continuously at the higher clock speeds of high-end desktop processors.

The very highest end laptops (we're talking $2500 here) may have actual desktop processors, but they're also basically portable desktops that more or less eschew any pretense mobility or being fit for use on one's lap.

Since Stellaris is overwhelmingly CPU-intensive, it benefits greatly from a desktop, especially when looking at sub-$1000 computers. You can still run it on a laptop, but you're going to see significant performance loss, especially late game, compared to a desktop of similar cost.

Edited by Balmung on Sep 11th 2019 at 8:14:17 AM

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PresidentStalkeyes 'Tyanut'sya k nebu...' from Novosibirsk Station
'Tyanut'sya k nebu...'
Sep 11th 2019 at 10:41:24 AM

I understand. P'raps I should get a desktop after all, then. Especially considering I'll want to use it for other things besides gaming. :V

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Overlording the Underworld
Sep 11th 2019 at 1:53:56 PM

My personal opinion is that unless you travel and work on a computer all the time, a PC is always the best bet. Of course, I don't even have a smartphone and if I'm gonna be out waiting around with nothing to do, I pull a paperback out of my personal library and read that for entertainment.

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Chain Breaker
Sep 12th 2019 at 8:13:33 PM

So, uh, there's an interesting bug/exploit in Equestria at War. If you enable magical weapons for special forces or have mage or infiltrator companies with magic equipment and anything else in the division has regular infantry equipment, all the special forces and mage/infiltrator companies essentially dual wield and get all the stats of both equipment sets. This makes special forces hit like tanks and mage and infiltrator companies hit like support artillery.

I want some flying cars, a ticket to the stars / Or even just a world without religious wars
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