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Being popular with the lords doesn't mean much. Fuck the lords.
Book!Renly was popular among the nobles because Renly was a power-hungry snob who wanted to be king because he wanted to be king. Basically, so long as you stroked his ego and allied yourself with him you'd get a position of power. Unlike even Aegon the First, or Dany, Renly had no interest in making things better through conquest and statecraft. He just wanted to be king, and fuck everyone else.
Show!Renly, meanwhile, is perhaps the best one for the Throne because he wants to change things for the better. IMO this is more of an adaptation difference rather than not understanding the source material, but who knows why they picked Renly for this role. Perhaps because GRRM has few male LGTB characters who aren't total shitheads?
Book!Stannis is frightening to the lords. Not because he is too uptight or inept, but because he has no tolerance for their corruption and greed. He is like Aegon V, but without trying to satisfy the nobility to achieve his reforms (an idea Aegon V gave up on, hence trying to get dragons). He hates those that supported Renly due to their own greed, and Tywin's wanton destruction. He was too caught up in his own grievances for the first two and a half books, but starts getting his head on straight by the time he reaches the Wall. Tywin and (book) Renly are all about giving even more power to the lords and nobles.
edited 27th Sep '17 9:22:52 PM by SilentColossus
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Funny that he is the opposite in the show.
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I'd say there is a good mix of shithead/non shithead lgbt members in canon. Loras is a decent guy. Pompous and not involved with the save the world plot but he's decent. Lyn Cobrary is definitely not a person to cross. Jon Con means well, he truly does, but he's too fixated on his lost love. Oberyn is cool to anyone not named Lannister and Daemon Sand seemed decent in the twow chapter we see him.
I also believe in the fanon interpretation of The Blackfish being gay and that's why he didn't want to marry.
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Nymeria Sand is probably lesbian or at least bi. Although she's kind of brutal & scary but not nearly as brutal as Obara or as scary as Tyene.
Ellaria Sand is a good woman in the books. It's the show that turned her into an asshole.
Sweets is intersex and Sweets is a good person. I really hope Sweets survived and shows up more.
Daenerys and Cersei are bi-curious.
Satin may or may not be gay.
Daemon II Blackfyre was gay and a nice guy although he was in Dunk and Egg not the main series. Alyn Cockshaw was a Yandere though.
Here's the list of LGBT characters in the books.
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Ah, I forgot Satin! He's one of my favorite minor characters. Yeah his assumed sexuality is definitely part of why the night's watch is so anti-Jon's endeavors. I only listed the male queer characters as Colossus was saying there's a shortage a non-shithead guys but it does seem there are more decent/friendly queer women than men.
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Satin's undying loyalty for Jon is imho truly hearwarming (and how Jon defended him when the other NW leaders criticized him for making Satin his steward). Also is it really confirmed that Satin is gay, from what I remember he was sold to a brothel and thus had no choice in this matter?
edited 29th Sep '17 4:20:05 AM by Zarastro
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It's projected and assumed by both the night's watch and fandom. I doubt we'll ever get confirmation as Satin's on the front lines and not close to any POV. I just hope he lives.
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I don't assume Blackfish is gay. Asexuals exist too, you know.
Where there's life, there's hope.
No they don't. Everyone must be shipped with someone.
In all seriousness, I always considered him asexual too.
edited 29th Sep '17 12:10:08 PM by Hackett13
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Good show theory:
... was Bran.
Seriously people. At least as far as the show is concerned, it was definitely, definitely Bran.
The day he was cut, Varys heard a voice from the flames. He heard Bran. Just like Hodor heard Bran the day Ned left for the Eyrie. Just like Ned heard Bran when he was going up the stairs of the Tower of Joy. The show has established that Bran contacts people from the future. The scene where Kinvara taunts Varys about the voice he heard from the flames and asks him if he wants to know what the voice said is in 'The Door' and literally comes right before the scene where Bran becomes the Three Eyed Raven. Do you really think that the showrunners are throwing in scenes where the Red Priestesses taunt Varys about his predestined doom and his traumatic childhood mutilation, and we aren't going to get an answer to what the voice was and what it said?
Kinvara: Everything is the Lord's will... But men and women make mistakes. Even honest servants of the Lord.
Varys: And you, an honest servant of the Lord. Why should I trust you to know any more than the priestess who counseled Stannis?
Tyrion: My friend has a healthy skepticism of of religion. But we are all loyal supporters of the Queen.
Kinvara: Everyone is what they are, and where they are, for a reason. Terrible things, happen for a reason. Take what happened to you lord Varys, when you were a child. If not for your mutilation, at the hand of a second rate sorcerer, you wouldn't be here, helping the Lord's chosen bring his light into the world. Knowledge has made you powerful, but there is still so much you don't know. Do you remember what you heard that night, when the sorcerer tossed your parts into the fire? You heard a voice call out from the flames, do you remember? Should I tell you what the voice said? should I tell you the name of the one who spoke?
~ The Door
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So Harry Strickland is in the show.
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Well hot damn. If that's what Harry Strickland looks like, sign me up for the Golden Company!
edited 16th Oct '17 10:41:11 PM by ITNW1989
Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.
Would that it were so simple.
<Harry Strickland shows up on the show>
<Thousands of fanpeople> "Beneath the gold, the bitter steel!"
edited 17th Oct '17 5:19:52 AM by CrimsonZephyr
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It's an expansion of the God Bran burns KL theory. The important parts:
Essentially the plan will be not unlike the plan at Hardhome, only on a much grander scale. Get a bunch of boats, fill them up as much as possible with the people of King’s Landing, send them elsewhere as refugees.
Yara/Theon defeat Euron and the one that lives takes control of the Iron Fleet.
The Iron Fleet is going to be used as an evacuation force for KL when the NK turns his attention south to KL to make a million more undead warriors for his army. On the way there, the NK will turn part of the GC into his army to direct at King's Landing.
It's a grander Hardhome setpiece.
Cersei abandons KL when the NK comes marching her way and sails away to Casterly Rock
Some foreshadowing of that from the show:
Not bad so far.
Team Starkgaryen arrives to find the Red Keep empty. The Iron throne is vacant, the Gold Cloaks are gone and the people are defenseless.
Jon and Daenerys will have things under control at first, but they will begin to struggle holding back the dead once the Night King shows up on Un Viserion, or once the undead elephants taken from the Golden Company show up and start ramming the gates.
Arya, Gendry, Varys and the Unsullied try to save as many people as possible.
Jon and Daenerys stall for time as the city is evacuated while the NK invades.
The NK shows up on Viserion and undead elephants break through the gates. They retreat.
Jon tried to use Daenerys and Drogo to pull a Daemon the Rogue Prince on the NK but fails. The NK starts resurrecting the people that have died so far in KL.
Then cut to Bran and what's he been planning. So we're going off the premise that Bran is the Lord of the Light and is culmination of the R'hllor plot:
Also, neither Mel, nor Stannis, nor Thoros, nor Beric, nor Jon, have ever claimed to have heard the Lord of Light. The only instances in which people have heard a mysterious voice have been Ned at the Tower of Joy, and Hodor the day he became Hodor.
As it turns out, the very first little bird to whisper to Varys had three eyes. Varys will finally understand what the voice in the flames had said to him all those years ago. The voice he dreamed of over and over. And with a heavy heart the Spider will utter his last words:
“Burn them all.”
We'll see a Varys flashback to when he was cut.
Bran will have imprinted on young Varys from when he was the cut to set up the wildfire in KL for Bran to use when the time was right.
Bran takes control of Drogon while Daenerys is riding it to engulf King's Landing in flames. Daenerys tries to stop Drogo but he's not listening to her and all she can do is sit and watch as her dragon sets off the wildfire and kills everyone
All the while, Daenerys Targaryen will fly over the city, looking down at hundreds of thousands of her people crying out for mercy as the fire takes them, all while she pleads to her child to stop.
Still, he will not stop.
Melisandre and Varys die in KL as does anyone else in the city including Grey Worm.
All the people that Daenerys has saved, she(and Bran) will kill.
And Daenerys finally cements her reputation as the Mad King's daughter.
Daenerys is going to be blamed for the fallout and Daeneys not being able to handle it flies alone to the Wall for the final confrontation with the Night's King.
edited 26th Oct '17 2:56:50 PM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
It's a nice theory, but I find its ending too grimdark for the show. It also doesn't seem like they'd do that to Varys. The show has a almost unending respect for the character, I feel they'd give him a more dignified role than "Bran's chess piece" in his last hour.
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The same show where a father burned his little girl? Or where a time traveling boy mentally handicapped his friend so he could sacrifice himself for him when the time was right in the future? Or where a father used his daughters for procreation and then used those daughters for more procreation while giving the sons away to ice demons?
He hasn't really done much though and Varys has "dead" written all over him like LF. If you want to hammer in the parallels, LF was killed by a Stark and Varys by a Targaryen. Both of them being two girls that they each tried to prop up. Daenerys for Varys and Sansa for Littlefinger and Bran instigates both deaths.
I did go back to look at some of Bran's visions to see if there any other clues and lo and behold:
We see the Black Cells-> King Aerys and the Night King while we hear someone whispering "Burn Them All"—-> then we see Bran falling->a dragon in the air that then flies over King's Landing—> Daenerys birthing dragons and the NK holding a baby and turning it into a White Walker -> Ned Stark being executed
Then we go through the same visions but much faster -> wildfire being poured-> Aerys screaming BURN THEM ALL -> the wildfire going off-> Jaime walking up to Aerys to execute up him->Lyanna dying in childbirth-> Jaime personally executing Aerys-> Roose Bolton personally executing Robb Stark -> a vacant Iron Throne -> Three Eyed Raven ->The Children of the Forest -> Jon killing a White Walker-> Aerys screaming even louder to BURN THEM ALL-> the wildfire going off
edited 28th Oct '17 5:57:54 PM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."I don't find likely Daenerys will lose her entire queen shtick because it took seven seasons to build that up. That's the bit that seems too grimdark even for the show. As in, chucking the whole 7 seasons of build-up in a single event. I find it more likely Daenerys will ride to her certain death to protect her subjects allá Theodén, which seems to be where her arc is going. If we strip down her entire Queen nature, it'd be a lot wonkier to end like that.
The idea of Varys being connected to the "Burn them all!" I do like. I'm just skeptical Varys would be revealed to be just a Manchurian Agent-ish type of fellow. Sure, Varys does very little in season 7, but the show makers go to some lengths to have him still be there despite his lack of relevance. He gets one of the best speeches of the entire season in the first episode for little reason other than the fact D&D clearly like him.
It's very visible that D&D's philosophical sympathies lie with Varys (his speech to Oberyn about how "desire" has ruined Westeros for instance) more-so than any other character.
I could see him playing the theoretical role in the hypothetical burning of King's Landing, but I'd think the show would have it be out of his own volition, a dignified and tragic ending to his character of some sort.
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Oh, you could still do all that (and in fact that's what I believe will happen).She'd just be a king queen without a kingdom in a sense. Like the underpinning of the ideal king/queen is one that protects its people. Daeneys can still be queen and go down fighting the White Walkers despite what people believe she did or how people think of her.
It's actually more selfless if she dies fighting for people that don't even want her.
It's very visible that D&D's philosophical sympathies lie with Varys (his speech to Oberyn about how "desire" has ruined Westeros for instance) more-so than any other character. I could see him playing the theoretical role in the hypothetical burning of King's Landing, but I'd think the show would have it be out of his own volition, a dignified and tragic ending to his character of some sort.
Fair enough. I'm only a believer in the concept not all the details.
The only thing that I feel sure about at the moment is that Bran wargs Drogon to burn down KL (and that perhaps Daenerys will be on it when it happens).
[[quoteblock]]"You will never walk again, Bran," the pale lips promised, "but you will fly."
The Varys stuff just adds a little flavor to it although Varys being contracted by Bran to do what needs to be done "for the realm"'could also work.
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Āegenkon Dēmalion vale tēmas. — The Iron Throne pokes the man.
āegion ['aːɛ̯gi͡on] n. 3ter. iron
Interesting. Apparently Aegon means Iron. Gives whole new meaning to the Iron/Aegon Throne.
edited 7th Nov '17 12:02:07 PM by MadSkillz
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I have a little bIt of info, it’s nothing much. I’ve been debating whether or not to share this, I don’t care who believes or who doesn’t and I won’t be getting into a flame war.
There is a Dothraki sickness, a scene shot was with the main Dothraki guy (one who told Tyrion his people can’t fight) on a bed with a few around him, there were also multiple Dothraki corpses filmed.
Snow machines have been used on the interior of the WF set. I’m taking this as Winterfell will get severely damaged and snow will be all inside it. Vlad Furdik was shooting in the Titanic Quarter. Does this mean he’ll have an indoor WF scene?
There was a major death shot in the first week. There’s going to be lots of deaths, so I didn’t care about this as I wasn’t told who it was, I was only told who it was rumoured to be.
Security is tighter than a Nun’s vagina, and the ear piece rumour is absolute bull shit too.
This is what I’ve been told, a family member worked as a Dothraki extra. I’m not claiming to be a major leaker, this is what was passed onto me. If you want to believe it you can, if not then cool.
Edit; Should have said the death ‘rumour’ Jorah, Tormund and Gendry (but they’re going to most likely die anyways) but he then said the following day that they also said Arya or Sansa. I didn’t take too much notice of this because it was hearsay. I was more interested in what he saw with his own eyes.
Some possible leaks. This one seems legitimate since it's nothing crazy.
edited 16th Nov '17 5:20:30 PM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."Seems rather plausible. Dothraki can't catch a break it seems.
For the deaths, I'd say Tormund seems the most likely. Jorah has the momentum of his cure having just happened and Gendry has the whole "last Baratheon" thing which I think they'll stick to.
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Wow XD
That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.