Series/Deus Ex

^^Yeah I decided to ignore the spoilers and make my own decision, kill Navarre.

I think it's the right decision, I mean in retrospect I really don't think the choice was as morally ambiguous as I first thought.

Man, this game is so fun

What a shame.

OH SHIT things escalate pretty quickly with the choice I made. I finally made it into Hong Kong after the big escape Paul's still alive, but I hate how I ended up having to kill Manderley after he drew a gun on me, he was just a figurehead didn't really deserve anything right? I've told Jaime Reyes to stay in UNATCO as an insider but I'm wondering if his med skills could've really helped with the NSF

Daaaamn, this game gets epic.

Also, the "meme" on the deus ex main page about reinstalling, what's that all about?

edited 30th Dec '10 11:54:48 PM by ShadowScythe

It's basically saying that any time someone mentions Deus Ex, even casually, someone who owns the game will reinstall it.

Also (and don't read this if you really want to keep it unspoiled) making Jaime stay at UNATCO as an insider is the path most taken. He'll eventually show up again and give you Gunther's kill phrase, "Laputan Machine".

So... Gunther's a whore machine? Really?

Nicknacks: Probably only indirectly.

So...finally finished the game. There are 3 endings right? did them all, Epic game. But I'm a little disappointed by the endings, more in the sense that I would've liked some sort of grand epilogue but the three of them were pretty abrupt and I didn't really get to see the extent of my actions (especially the Helios ending, guh that looked so awesome it was lame that it ended so soon)

So...should I play Invisible War? What exactly is wrong with it that people dislike? And which ending ends up being canon according to Invisible War?

Also I was looking around in the room where JC was grown and I noticed the tubes for JC and Alex...but no Paul? Did I miss something? I could've sworn Paul was the same JC

Invisible War's gameplay is totally different. Also, thematically, it covers very different subjects from what Deus Ex covered - Invisible War has almost no philosophy and instead is more concerned about globalization, wealth distribution, and such.

Started a new game of The Nameless Mod. Decided to work for Worldcorp/the Goats this time.

Holy Hell this game is a lot easier when you choose some of the "evil" paths. Also, the AI is hilariously forgetful at times. Hey, Alpha Operator, sorry for punching you unconscious earlier! Can I have a drink, Jackie?

Just finished Deus Ex. I mean, finished yesterday, and now I'm in "search the Internet for any additional info" phase.

So, I blew up the Internet.

Actually, I saved at the very end, and got every of the three, but this is my, you can say, personal canon.

Have you noticed this ending appears to be the most optimistic? The upbeat music, outrunning the fireball, Big Bad's Big "NO!" and all that stuff — pretty much the most, you know, heroic. I guess that's what makes it asking so much for a deconstruction. And, I guess that's why I chose it, too (by the way, I keep imagining what happens After the End). Helios ending was really spoiled for me by the quote at the end.

Perhaps I'll try and see Invisible War, but after I'm done with my exams.

edited 25th Jan '11 2:36:15 PM by lordGacek

IW says, "All three endings are canon. Sorta."

Most believe the Illuminati ending is the "real" ending, because it bookends the opening scene so perfectly, and it makes the most sense.

I prefer the Helios Ending. The quote at the end of Illuminati should tell you that it isn't that great at all, you're just in power. Plus Helios Ending is just so badass and Git S-esque. I just wish Helios had more of an aftermath cutscene to explain what happened. I guess that's invisible war though.

Eh, might as well play the game, eventually, or at least before Human Revolution.

The Illuminati ending is the best, and so badass:

• Morgan Everett: Do you really think theyre ready for that? After everything you've seen, everything you've done?
• JC Denton: [long pause] No. Not yet.
• Morgan Everett: But soon. We have made our own mistakes, became insulated from the world we sought to control. And whatever they may think, the night is far from over. But that will change, and you will help us change even as we teach you. This time - this time we will do it right.
• JC Denton: And who are we? Who are we really?
• Morgan Everett: We are the Invisible Hand. We are the Illuminati. We come before and after. We are forever. And eventually... eventually we will lead them into the day.

I dunno the way it bookends the opening scene just makes me think that all I did was put Illuminati in the place of MJ 12 and that the only real change was curing the grey death. Sure it's kind of an improvement, but not by much. And Everrett is clearly just manipulating things to his own end rather than for the people. And the quote at the end about being better to rule in Hell rather than serve in Heaven makes it even clearer that the Illuminati ending is not the happy/good ending at all. The dark ages one just seems so stupid and idiotic, I actually completely agreed with Bob Page on that one.

Hence for me, I would rather take Helios over a secret government that's only marginally better than MJ 12 and resetting the world back to zero after thousands of years of progress.

And this is why people love Deus Ex: because you can legitimately argue over the ethics and morality of the different factions and decisions.

( well, except the Dark Age ending, but I suspect that was a case of the writers either not quite explaining things well enough, or not really understanding how many millions of people would die as a result of that decision. . . )

The good thing about video games is, I don't have to think too much on how would that work.

In Real Life, unless I was pissed and deep in the "fuck you world" mood, I wouldn't go for the Tracer's ending. Think I'd rather pick Helios — sure, we're getting a computer tyrant, but at the very least JC is quite a decent guy, so he should be able to moderate it a bit. And since you play as JC, then it's you being the Evil Overlord.

Illuminati ending is kind of middle-of-the-road, things are running like they were before, so if you'd rather take status quo then it's for you. Which, by the way, means that I expect the family names Dowd and Everett to appear in Deus Ex 3.

I wrote earlier that I keep thinking of what happens after the Net goes black. Since I'm assuming that to be a good ending (that's the fun part, the ending plays as if it was the best one, just compare the feel of it to the other two — I wonder what'd be the creators' pick), I allow myself to reject the total collapse of civilisation as an outcome. The Playstation port's ending is expanded and it kinda ends this way, but the PC version is more vague. A setback surely, but I assume Vandenberg's still running, for one.

edited 31st Jan '11 3:20:20 PM by lordGacek

Watch the opening movie, watch the Illuminati ending. You'll see why that was the original ending because they decided to make a multiple ending.

^^Yeah, for me what it comes down to is that I like the Helios ending because I think JC is a smart hero who thinks things through (at least, how I'd played him) and he tries to keep the body count to a minimum. So I figured with an AI merged with a person like that I wouldn't mind someone like that ruling over our world.

And frankly, I don't know how I'd live without any source of communications or electronics.

edited 31st Jan '11 3:36:40 PM by ShadowScythe

Eh, in fiction it's always simple, all you have to do is to apply excessive force to something or someone :)

By the way I wonder how it's really supposed to work. For now, I can't think of options other than either total black-out because Everything Is Online, or Net being back on in a couple of years at worst.

" So I figured with an AI merged with a person like that I wouldn't mind someone like that ruling over our world."

And that's preferable to the Illuminati? LOL

Uh yeah...Everett's a douche, you saw what he was doing to the former leader right? He manipulates others to his own selfish ends. And again, you saw the quote about ruling in hell?

I'll take an AI and JC over Everett easily. Personally I felt that Everett and Illuminati are barely better than Page and MJ 12. And given that the dark ages is a terrible idea that destroys thousands of years of everything humanity has worked for I'll take the Helios ending thanks.

So yes, I think JC is more preferable than someone like Everett.

Also given that I, the player, am JC. And between JC and Everett I seem to be the only one who cares about actually helping the world than for my own selfish reasons, I'd rather rule myself.

edited 31st Jan '11 5:28:35 PM by ShadowScythe

Man, I love Deus Ex. One of the first PC games I ever bought for myself as a working man. My first play through I took the secretary for a little trip. Knocked her out, tossed her over my shoulder, carried her through Hong Kong and Paris before I had to leave her on a rooftop and couldn't get back. But hey, she got a vacation while...well, in a tranquilizer coma.

And as much as Yahtzee pisses me off, his song was brilliant.

There was one thing I loved about Invisible War: NG Resonance. "Tra la la, I think I'll fire the bitch." I was disappointed when you finally met her. Figured her holograms might have been a government tool and she was an empty-headed pop icon, turns out to be the case. Was HOPING she was actually involved. the pop singer wanted to be a government tool because she believes in the cause or something.

edited 31st Jan '11 5:34:28 PM by Rotpar

You actually bothered to take her to both Hong Kong and Paris? Ha! I guess she was right to suspect JC after he entered the ladies' toilets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kihGm4KfY7k&feature=related

Ah, the voice acting.

Completely forgot about the weird Australian door-girl. And...

"I SPILL my DRINK!"