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No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...

I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?


Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here.

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#37101: Mar 21st 2024 at 1:32:01 PM

[up]Those sweet coats on the Hernkyn Yaegirs look like they would be perfect in a very cold environment. Makes me think of when the Rebel Alliance stayed on Hoth. The new Brood Brothers also look really good, and compatible with the new Imperial Guard.

[up][up] I really like Chaos Space Marines that would need very little conversion to be turned into fantasy Chaos Warriors. Ditto with the jump-Lord, who would look cool with a pair of bat-wings.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#37102: Mar 22nd 2024 at 7:35:53 AM

I forgot to post this yesterday but Heresy Thursday was the former Traitor White Scar Hibou Khan. Nice model. I really like the design of his helmet.

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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#37103: Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:26:35 AM

[up]That's a really nice model! The Mongol-inspired elements remind me of how Star Wars merges Jidaigeki designs with high-tech, especially in the newest films. He also kinda resembles some John Blanche artwork I've seen of the Thunder Warriors. Speaking of which, the Mad Max-fan in me would not mind seeing some minis based on the Unification Wars.

Today on the Warhammer community they showcase one of Zorpazorp's insane terrain projects, the Imperial City on Terra. He also showcased the latest developments on it on his Youtube-channel.

Edited by Mara999 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 8:23:11 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#37104: Mar 22nd 2024 at 8:03:55 PM

"The price of this is that on an individual level, "this race resists the lures of Chaos" isn't actually a notable trait, since "resisting the lures of Chaos" is by all appearances a pretty universal trait — what's notable is in fact the reverse, since humanity appears to have a very unique affinity for it and Chaos for it in turn. Which... also kind of damages the idea that Chaos is this terrible universal constant, since apparently there's only one widespread species that it has any luck in working with. "

No, no race CANT resist naturally chaos, the eldar devopt way to resist chaos right after their own quest for excess blow up their empire and create the eye of terror. the saurathi doomed themselves, so the learan and the list goes op.

In fact titus chaos resistence IS suspect, since is not a thing it happen, the only one truly chaos resistence is the emperor and that is because he is closer to a warp entity in the flesh.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#37105: Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:27:31 PM

Chaos Aeldar presumably aren’t a thing because Slaanesh just immediately eats the soul of any Aeldar not on guard. The other Chaos Gods can’t get them since Slaanesh called dibs long ago.

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#37106: Mar 23rd 2024 at 12:03:11 AM

A Khaine/Khorne faction on the fuzzy Warpish boundary between the two gods, the Bleed, if you will, could be interesting.

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#37107: Mar 23rd 2024 at 6:10:03 AM

Weren't there Chaos Eldar in the early editions of 40K? I remember seeing metal models for Khorne-Eldar and Tzeentch-ian Sorcerers.

Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#37108: Mar 23rd 2024 at 7:25:16 AM

No, no race CANT resist naturally chaos

Indeed. You may notice, then, that I did not say that "non-human races naturally resist Chaos" — just that, in practice, there is no Chaotic presence in living non-human races of notable size.

In fact, if we refer back to my original comment, I do note that "the Eldar and Kroot use discipline and knowledge to avoid Chaos" — same as the Interex did, for instance — while "the Orks just aren't interested in what Chaos is selling". There is no "natural resistance", just cultural, behavioral or learned avoidance.

Still, I maintain that it's a pretty academic distinction. We could quibble as much as we like about how — let's say — the Eldar aren't innately resistant to Chaos and just know a lot about it which helps them avoid it, but it doesn't really change the fact that there is no such thing in modern canon as a Chaos Eldar and has not been for ten thousand of years.

Did Chaos corruption destroy the Eldar's golden age? Sure. It also destroyed the Imperial golden age. So? The Eldar still have had a 100% avoidance rate of Chaos since then, which humanity certainly has not.

(And see as another contrast the Fantasy elves — they have a very different relationship with Chaos that Eldar do, even though they share the same issue with Slaanesh wanting to eat their souls. There is no Craftworlder counterpart to Dechala the Denied One in modern or old lore, nor a Commorrite equivalent to Morathi's Cult of Pleasure.)

the saurathi doomed themselves, so the learan and the list goes op.

Yes, the Laer and Saruthi did have endemic Chaos corruption, as one may see that I also noted:

The only exceptions of note are the Laer and the Saruthi, who are both a) very minor factions, and b) extinct.

But, again, the thing is that there are only two types of species that current material permits to have Chaos activity:

  • One, minor and entirely extinct ones, and
  • Two, humanity.

It's notable, is all I'm saying.

Edited by Theriocephalus on Mar 23rd 2024 at 9:26:04 AM

Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#37109: Mar 23rd 2024 at 4:52:33 PM

I guess we could take this as an illustration of why humanity was such a threat to the rest of the galaxy.

Rather than finding their way to a warband, most people who devote themselves to Chaos probably self-destruct after a terrible crime or two. Most members of those warbands die in battle or collapse into writhing piles of tentacles rather than becoming daemon princes.

So maybe it's not that humans are uniquely susceptible to Chaos, but that humans' culture had the potential to forge them into champions of Chaos. Any other civilization that goes as Warp-mode as the Imperial traitors did destroys itself. (The Eldar don't have a 100% success rate, after all; all of the Eldar who fall just get slurped up.) The Horus Heresy was like a civilization-wide daemon ascension, and the traitor legions were a force that the Chaos Gods never could have made for themselves.

If the Heresy had succeeded in toppling the Imperium, maybe humanity would have flamed out like the Eldar and become a scattered, dying people, and this would have been better for the rest of the galaxy. (After all, the Imperium is just a different kind of evil, rooted in the physical world.)

All of that said, I'd like to see Chaos among aliens. It's just more interesting and colorful that way!

dArtagnanMusic Since: Oct, 2022
#37110: Mar 24th 2024 at 10:35:45 AM

Some dude on Reddit did the math of how many books Black Library has published over the years.
Votann are still at zero, two years after their reveal, and 2023 was the lowest year since 2011 in term of book releases.

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#37111: Mar 25th 2024 at 10:24:00 AM

The Golden Demon winners at Adepticon are revealed, with a really sweet-looking Exodite conversion on the top of the page. Another reminder why this particular army would have a lot of potential as an official release.

Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
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#37112: Mar 25th 2024 at 10:25:02 AM

The masses call out for space elves on dinosaurs.

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MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#37113: Mar 25th 2024 at 1:00:58 PM

Not gonna lie the Slayer Sword winner... by Freya's tits that's genius, making the reflective water effect via modeling.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#37114: Mar 25th 2024 at 1:19:20 PM

I'm not the greatest fan of that Exodite. While it is brilliantly made and painted I feel that the colour scheme blends too much into the background and while this is probably lore accurate, I don't think that's great for a display model.

[up]I have to agree, that is one of the best small scale dioramas I have ever seen.

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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#37115: Mar 25th 2024 at 1:47:15 PM

While it is brilliantly made and painted I feel that the colour scheme blends too much into the background and while this is probably lore accurate, I don't think that's great for a display model.

I agree, as I'd prefer the space-dino to have a distinctly unearthly camouflage. A more colourful retro paint-scheme would be appropriate, to make it clearly different from the Seraphon's more terrestrial-inspired dinos.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#37116: Mar 28th 2024 at 1:05:31 PM

Today's Heresy Thursday is the Legion Command Squad upgrade set. Looks quite cool.

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#37117: Mar 28th 2024 at 1:12:19 PM

I really like those Greco-Roman crests on the helmets.

Edited by Mara999 on Mar 28th 2024 at 10:12:38 AM

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#37118: Apr 2nd 2024 at 11:06:04 AM

Double-post: A closer look at the Mandrakes in the upcoming Kill Team box. These are such gorgeous models, with plenty of use as Planetouched or otherwise corrupted evil elves. So far, has any of the Kill Team warbands become available separately? I've seen at least bands for Warcry and Underworlds separately for sale.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#37119: Apr 2nd 2024 at 12:10:01 PM

[up]Kill Teas does do good models. I think all the Kill Teams have had an individual release at some point (I have the Arbites, Sororitas Novices, and the Gellapox Infected - although they were a rerelease from an older edition of Kill Team), especially the ones like the Striking Scorpions who were intended to replace existing models.

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#37120: Apr 2nd 2024 at 4:45:20 PM

Part of me wants to get a Legionary team and try and really lean hard into the modeling of whatever gift they have.

Too bad that the Mark limitations are by roster, not fire team! I might just make them for casual games.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#37121: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:12:29 PM

"Weren't there Chaos Eldar in the early editions of 40K? I remember seeing metal models for Khorne-Eldar and Tzeentch-ian Sorcerers. "

It was, but only one article speak of it and they went discout it, like squats, genestealer and many other stuff.

Who know, maybe we will see them back.

"The Eldar still have had a 100% avoidance rate of Chaos since then, which humanity certainly has not. "

Granted the fact slaanesh want to eat soul is in fact the issue slaanesh have touch all eldar soul, is not that he/she want it, is that slaanesh can and indeed claim all soul to the eldar, it dosent belong to them, which is a charateristic they share with the beastman, hilarious enought, the reason there it isnt chaos eldar is because chaos already have them.

Also the have being in the lore some tau who side with chaos, little but its there. same with Kroot in fact.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#37122: Apr 2nd 2024 at 7:31:09 PM

Yes, it's less that Aeldar avoid Chaos 100%, it's that one particular Chaos God already has dibs on all of them.

So any Aeldar that does fall to Chaos just gets eaten by Slaanesh immediately.

That's why Chaos Aeldar aren't a thing. Slaanesh gets all the Aeldar souls, and Slaanesh just wants to eat them instead of making them into more minions.

Edited by M84 on Apr 2nd 2024 at 10:32:23 PM

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#37123: Apr 3rd 2024 at 2:27:01 AM

Sure is un(?)fair for all other beings with souls. [lol]

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#37124: Apr 3rd 2024 at 3:23:35 AM

It's funny that even though they're enemies of Slaanesh, the Drukhari basically match hir style to a tee. If we ever saw actual Slaaneshi Eldar, they'd probably be like the Deepkin in Sigmar.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#37125: Apr 3rd 2024 at 4:15:23 AM

The Drukhari are after all the people who continue the depravity that created Slaanesh in the first place. They just want their cake and fuck it too.

Edited by M84 on Apr 3rd 2024 at 7:15:44 PM

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