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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#54551: Sep 13th 2020 at 3:14:15 PM

Also, we've seen people hit with Disintegrate before and not, die so...

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#54552: Sep 13th 2020 at 3:14:57 PM

Nope. 2d6 per caster level (and this being a level 6 spell, the caster is minimum level 11 for 22d6) unless they make their Fortitude save, in which case it's reduced to 5d6. And either way, if the target dies from this damage, they're Reduced to Dust.

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Edited by wingedcatgirl on Sep 13th 2020 at 3:15:37 AM

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#54553: Sep 13th 2020 at 10:31:19 PM

So assuming Redcloak is level 18, an unsaved disintegrate has a damage somewhere between 36 and 216, middle values being more likely. The lower limit is way below Durkon's total HP, while the upper limit is way above it. As actual damage taken is determined by plot convenience, not real dice, it puts things into the "anything can happen" territory. However, a second disintegrate would probably kill Durkon.

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#54554: Sep 14th 2020 at 12:08:01 AM

People keep surviving his disintegrates

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#54555: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:11:01 AM

Good fort saves and/or high HP. Though those generally go hand-in-hand.

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#54556: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:40:01 AM

And since those do go hand-in-hand, trying to Disintegrate Durkon is a terrible waste of a 7th-level spell that could have been saved for Vaarsuvius or Haley.

And that's a Domain spell. Redcloak only gets one 7th-level Domain spell per day, and he just burned it on a beeftank that could survive even after a failed save; guessing by the look of Durkon after the spell that he took a rather lot more than ~18 damage. IIRC Unless he slotted Disintegrate into his 8th or 9th-level Domain spells, that's it; no more Disintegrates today.

At least Implosion would have instant-killed Durkon if he'd failed his save (and has a 2-point higher save to make); Disintegrate couldn't even guarantee that much.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 14th 2020 at 8:40:46 AM

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#54557: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:17:08 AM

I mean, he could cherry-tap Durkon to death at this point.

He's also not very conservative with his spell slots. He once burned a disintegrate on Roy too, without even bothering to follow up on it

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#54558: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:14:09 AM

Clerics don't usually have any decent long-range spells, though (Destruction could work, but Durkon is warded). A better spell would probably be Blade Barrier or Flame Strike, but he wanted to keep Minrah alive.

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#54559: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:10:43 PM

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Edited by shigmiya64 on Sep 14th 2020 at 5:11:17 AM

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#54560: Sep 14th 2020 at 5:09:48 PM

RC might really want Durkon dead at this point, because he knows things that RC can't afford to be shared with Xykon.

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#54561: Sep 14th 2020 at 6:17:18 PM

So does Oona.

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#54562: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:00:45 PM

Since you brought her up, I just wanted to say how much I like Oona's character.

She's very endearing generally and I like characters that are chaotic, but instead of being hyper are very even-keel and act like they are the Only Sane Man even though they are in fact pretty zany. Like the Swedish Chef of the Muppets for instance. Who has at least one thing in common with Oona, since she says "Okie dokie" too. Probably similar taste in food as well.

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#54563: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:26:27 PM

RC probably believes that Oona is under control. Nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a conversation between them which highlighted a certain difference in perspective.

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#54564: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:28:19 PM

RC probably also believes Oona to be beneath Xykon's notice, unlike Durkon.

Edited by Medinoc on Sep 15th 2020 at 10:28:31 AM

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#54565: Sep 15th 2020 at 4:34:17 PM

[up] You’d think Redcloak of all people would’ve learned not to confuse “not knowing” and “not caring” by now.

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#54566: Sep 15th 2020 at 8:49:41 PM

Redcloak is the dictionary definition of not learning from his mistakes.

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#54567: Sep 15th 2020 at 8:55:55 PM

Think that is the function of the already discussed "body and brain of a teenager" thing.

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#54568: Sep 18th 2020 at 10:25:10 AM

NVM.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 18th 2020 at 12:25:37 PM

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#54569: Sep 19th 2020 at 12:31:45 AM

Redcloak comes off here as being used to fighting people so well below his notice that they go down in a single hit.

Hell, the only person in Azure City who gave him any trouble dying was O'Chul (and that one dude with all the uses of counterspell), and he wanted O'Chul alive.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 19th 2020 at 12:32:22 PM

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#54570: Sep 20th 2020 at 10:45:46 AM

[up] While I appreciate that point, hasn't he been fighting high-level challenges for DAYS now?

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#54571: Sep 20th 2020 at 1:11:13 PM

[up] He mostly seems to be focusing on buff/protection spells.

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#54572: Sep 20th 2020 at 4:04:21 PM

And those aren't people, those are monsters.

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#54573: Sep 20th 2020 at 5:40:29 PM

And he had Xykon with him.

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#54575: Sep 21st 2020 at 6:28:58 AM

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