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-->'''Mangosuthu Buthelezi:''' Even if the past is uncomfortable, and perhaps especially when the past is uncomfortable, it needs to be examined and unpacked rather than hidden away... There was no fuss about race, no discrimination, no bigotry. It was simply a community of people working together to recreate a part of history that held tremendous meaning for them all... But something more emerges from the film. The deep respect that develops between the warring armies, and the nobility of King Cetshwayo's warriors as they salute the enemy, demanded a different way of thinking from the average viewer at the time of the film's release. Indeed, it remains a film that demands a thoughtful response.[[note]] It should be noted that Buthelezi was an active supporter of the National Party regime, as he had considerable power within the apartheid system thanks to his status as a tribal chief. It was for this reason that he was openly critical of the ANC and anti-apartheid activists for supposedly being too radical. It may be best to take his opinion with a grain of salt.[[/note]]
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-->'''Mangosuthu Buthelezi:''' Even if the past is uncomfortable, and perhaps especially when the past is uncomfortable, it needs to be examined and unpacked rather than hidden away... There was no fuss about race, no discrimination, no bigotry. It was simply a community of people working together to recreate a part of history that held tremendous meaning for them all... But something more emerges from the film. The deep respect that develops between the warring armies, and the nobility of King Cetshwayo's warriors as they salute the enemy, demanded a different way of thinking from the average viewer at the time of the film's release. Indeed, it remains a film that demands a thoughtful response.[[note]] It should be noted that Buthelezi was an active supporter of the National Party regime, as he had considerable power within the apartheid system thanks to his status as a tribal chief. It was for this reason that he was openly critical of the ANC and anti-apartheid activists for supposedly being too radical. It's for this reason that It may be best to take his opinion on the matter should be taken with a grain of salt.[[/note]]
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-->'''Mangosuthu Buthelezi:''' Even if the past is uncomfortable, and perhaps especially when the past is uncomfortable, it needs to be examined and unpacked rather than hidden away... There was no fuss about race, no discrimination, no bigotry. It was simply a community of people working together to recreate a part of history that held tremendous meaning for them all... But something more emerges from the film. The deep respect that develops between the warring armies, and the nobility of King Cetshwayo's warriors as they salute the enemy, demanded a different way of thinking from the average viewer at the time of the film's release. Indeed, it remains a film that demands a thoughtful response.[[note]] It should be noted that Buthelezi was an active supporter of the National Party regime, as he had considerable power within the apartheid system thanks to his status as a tribal chief. It was for this reason that he was openly critical of the ANC and anti-apartheid activists for supposedly being too radical. It's for this reason that his opinion on the matter should be taken with a grain of salt.[[/note]]
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* FirstInstallmentWins: You may have noticed from the page description that this film actually had a prequel called ''Zulu Dawn''. It's fair to say that not many people have seen it despite having some amazing battle scenes and generally being more historically accurate.
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* FairForItsDay: The Zulus, despite being obviously primitive, are depicted as WorthyOpponent types to the British and crafty in their own right (their ambush at Isandlwana is shown at the beginning of the movie, and they try both envelopment and making use of captured European weapons against the enemy- albeit to no success). The South African extras portraying the Zulu soldiers were also all bused in and paid in full despite Apartheid being in effect at the time. In the face of (British) criticism of the movie for racism, [[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tribal-chief-mangosuthu-buthelezi-defends-michael-caine-film-zulu-in-racism-battle-lkrs75fr0 one of the actors from the movie]] (namely the current chief of the Zulu tribe and great-grandson of Cetshwayo) defended the film:
-->'''Mangosuthu Buthelezi:''' Even if the past is uncomfortable, and perhaps especially when the past is uncomfortable, it needs to be examined and unpacked rather than hidden away... There was no fuss about race, no discrimination, no bigotry. It was simply a community of people working together to recreate a part of history that held tremendous meaning for them all... But something more emerges from the film. The deep respect that develops between the warring armies, and the nobility of King Cetshwayo's warriors as they salute the enemy, demanded a different way of thinking from the average viewer at the time of the film's release. Indeed, it remains a film that demands a thoughtful response.
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