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* HarsherInHindsight: CListFodder Airstryke is one of the few villains to refuse Neron's deal (feeling there is no point in selling his soul to the devil when the devil probably already has control over it) and is allowed to depart the gathering with a simple GetOut insult. In ''ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders'', Airstryke speaks against following a second demonic figure (Brother Blood) at another supervillain gathering and is immediately ThrownFromTheZeppelin.

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* HarsherInHindsight: CListFodder Airstryke is one of the few villains to refuse Neron's deal (feeling there is no point in selling his soul to the devil when the devil probably already has control over it) and is allowed to depart the gathering with a simple GetOut insult. In ''ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders'', ''ComicBook/Outsiders2003'', Airstryke speaks against following a second demonic figure (Brother Blood) at another supervillain gathering and is immediately ThrownFromTheZeppelin.
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* HarsherInHindsight: CListFodder Airstryke is one of the few villains to refuse Neron's deal (feeling there is no point in selling his soul to the devil when the devil probably already has control over it) and is allowed to depart the gathering with a simple GetOut insult. In ''ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders'', Airstryke speaks against following a second demonic figure (Brother Blood) at another supervillain gathering and is immediately ThrownFromTheZeppelin.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. In the afterword to the collected edition, Waid claims that killing and resurrecting the Rogues was the plan all along in order to protect them from unnecessary DarkerAndEdgier revision:
-->'''Mark Waid:''' Brian and I arranged for them to [[DeathIsCheap lie low in hell for a little while]], if only to keep some knuckleheaded creator from, oh, say, turning Heat Wave into a ''living pillar of fire''.

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* CompleteMonster: The wicked demon [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Neron]], introduced here, [[DealWithTheDevil bargains for the souls of countless beings]], regularly [[JackassGenie twisting and perverting the wish]] to corrupt his victims, claiming their souls for eternal agony. Seeking to corrupt the finest souls, Neron deals with multiple supervillains to have them cause death and destruction on grand scales so he may take advantage of the chaos, also attempting to sway the superheroes into mass murder so he may claim them as well. Aiding the rogue angel Asmodel, Neron shifts the moon to cause massive disasters, while later helping Asmodel try to rip down heaven piece by piece along with creation itself, only to later betray the angel and take him for eternal torture. Neron amuses himself with cruel mind games, even offering a "get out of hell free" card to the villains all so he can delight in them murdering anyone in their way to obtain it and commit atrocities all the while.

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* CompleteMonster: The wicked demon [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Neron]], Neron]]: This wicked demon, introduced here, [[DealWithTheDevil bargains for the souls of countless beings]], regularly [[JackassGenie twisting and perverting the wish]] to [[TheCorrupter corrupt his victims, victims]], [[YourSoulIsMine claiming their souls souls]] for eternal agony. Seeking to corrupt the finest souls, Neron deals with multiple supervillains to have them cause death and destruction on grand scales so he may take advantage of the chaos, also attempting to sway the superheroes into mass murder so he may claim them as well. Aiding the rogue angel Asmodel, Neron shifts the moon to cause massive disasters, while later helping Asmodel try to rip down heaven piece by piece along with creation itself, only to later betray the angel and take him for eternal torture. Neron amuses himself with cruel mind games, even offering a "get out of hell free" card to the villains all so he can delight in them murdering anyone in their way to obtain it and commit atrocities all the while.
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---> Brian and I arranged for them to [[DeathIsCheap lie low in hell for a little while]], if only to keep some knuckleheaded creator from, oh, say, turning Heat Wave into a ''living pillar of fire''.

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---> -->'''Mark Waid:''' Brian and I arranged for them to [[DeathIsCheap lie low in hell for a little while]], if only to keep some knuckleheaded creator from, oh, say, turning Heat Wave into a ''living pillar of fire''.

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* MagnificentBastard:
** Lex Luthor and The Joker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.
** Neron did meet his match when trying to deal with the bounty hunter Lobo. Lobo was more than happy to trade away his soul for a wish. [[spoiler: Wishing for Neron's soul. Fair trade.]] Needless to say Neron was unwilling to grant that wish, and ended up having to give back Lobo's soul AND grant him a free wish just to get out of the contract. A wish he immediately used to screw with Neron even more.
** Believe it or not, [[spoiler:''Captain Marvel'']] is this. He defeats Neron by himself. Not by a fight, but simply by ''giving him what he wanted through the whole story'' -- and doing it in such a way that Neron has to give up everything he got through the story.

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* MagnificentBastard:
** Lex Luthor
CompleteMonster: The wicked demon [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Neron]], introduced here, [[DealWithTheDevil bargains for the souls of countless beings]], regularly [[JackassGenie twisting and The Joker. Both appear perverting the wish]] to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and corrupt his victims, claiming their souls for eternal agony. Seeking to corrupt the finest souls, Neron deals with multiple supervillains to have roped several other them cause death and destruction on grand scales so he may take advantage of the chaos, also attempting to sway the superheroes into mass murder so he may claim them as well. Aiding the rogue angel Asmodel, Neron shifts the moon to cause massive disasters, while later helping Asmodel try to rip down heaven piece by piece along with creation itself, only to later betray the angel and take him for eternal torture. Neron amuses himself with cruel mind games, even offering a "get out of hell free" card to the villains all so he can delight in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them murdering anyone in what seems their way to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor obtain it and Joker's faces once they reach commit atrocities all the walls is priceless.
** Neron did meet his match when trying to deal with the bounty hunter Lobo. Lobo was more than happy to trade away his soul for a wish. [[spoiler: Wishing for Neron's soul. Fair trade.]] Needless to say Neron was unwilling to grant that wish, and ended up having to give back Lobo's soul AND grant him a free wish just to get out of the contract. A wish he immediately used to screw with Neron even more.
** Believe it or not, [[spoiler:''Captain Marvel'']] is this. He defeats Neron by himself. Not by a fight, but simply by ''giving him what he wanted through the whole story'' -- and doing it in such a way that Neron has to give up everything he got through the story.
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** Believe it or not, [[spoiler:''Captain Marvel'']] is this. He defeats Neron by himself. Not by a fight, but simply by ''giving him what he wanted through the whole story'' -- and doing it in such a way that Neron has to give up everything he got through the story.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Attempted. In the afterword to the collected edition, Waid claims that killing and resurrecting the Rogues was the plan all along in order to protect them from unnecessary DarkerAndEdgier revision:
---> Brian and I arranged for them to [[DeathIsCheap lie low in hell for a little while]], if only to keep some knuckleheaded creator from, oh, say, turning Heat Wave into a ''living pillar of fire''.

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* MagnificentBastard: ComicBook/LexLuthor and TheJoker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.

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* MagnificentBastard: ComicBook/LexLuthor MagnificentBastard:
** Lex Luthor
and TheJoker.The Joker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.

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* MagnificentBastard: SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor and TheJoker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.
** Neron did meet his match when trying to deal with the bounty hunter Lobo. Lobo was more than happy to trade away his soul for a wish. [[spoiler: Wishing for Neron's soul. Fair trade.]] Needless to say Neron was unwilling to grant that wish, and ended up having to give back Lobo's soul AND grant him a free wish just to get out of the contract. A wish he immediately used to screw with Neron even more.

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* MagnificentBastard: SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor and TheJoker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.
** Neron did meet his match when trying to deal with the bounty hunter Lobo. Lobo was more than happy to trade away his soul for a wish. [[spoiler: Wishing for Neron's soul. Fair trade.]] Needless to say Neron was unwilling to grant that wish, and ended up having to give back Lobo's soul AND grant him a free wish just to get out of the contract. A wish he immediately used to screw with Neron even more.more.
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* MagnificentBastard: SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor and TheJoker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.

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* MagnificentBastard: SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor and TheJoker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.priceless.
**Neron did meet his match when trying to deal with the bounty hunter Lobo. Lobo was more than happy to trade away his soul for a wish. [[spoiler: Wishing for Neron's soul. Fair trade.]] Needless to say Neron was unwilling to grant that wish, and ended up having to give back Lobo's soul AND grant him a free wish just to get out of the contract. A wish he immediately used to screw with Neron even more.
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* CompleteMonster: Three guesses who. Here's a hint: [[spoiler: it's Neron]].
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* MagnificentBastard: LexLuthor and TheJoker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.

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* MagnificentBastard: LexLuthor SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor and TheJoker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.
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* CompleteMonster: Three guesses who. Here's a hint: [[spoiler: it's Neron]].

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* CompleteMonster: Three guesses who. Here's a hint: [[spoiler: it's Neron]].Neron]].
* MagnificentBastard: LexLuthor and TheJoker. Both appear to be studying Neron's SoulJar, and have roped several other villains in Neron's Inner Council (Circe, Abra Kadabra, and Doctor Polaris) into breaching it to absorb Neron's power. Once the thing breaks, the three are suckered in and scattered away - exactly what Luthor and Joker wanted, so they could scheme behind Neron unmolested. Neron, however, had previously duped both and imprisoned them in what seems to be a snowstorm in Metropolis... which is actually just a snowglobe. The looks on Luthor and Joker's faces once they reach the walls is priceless.
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* CompleteMonster: Three guesses who. Here's a hint: [[Spoiler:it's Neron]].

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* CompleteMonster: Three guesses who. Here's a hint: [[Spoiler:it's [[spoiler: it's Neron]].
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* CompleteMonster: Three guesses who. Here's a hint: [[Spoiler:it's Neron]].

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