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It’s not manipulation. Marinette was willing to help him of her own will, but his own pride refused to let anyone else fix his problems.
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** The entire premise of the work becomes one with the events of the show's fifth season, wherein [[spoiler:Gabriel manipulates Marinette's feelings for his son in order to get his hands on the Ladybug Earrings and Black Cat Ring, and asks her to ensure that Adrien never learns that he was Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth/Monarch all along]].
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** The entire premise of the work becomes one with the events of the show's fifth season, wherein [[spoiler:Gabriel manipulates uses Marinette's feelings for his son in order to get his hands on the Ladybug Earrings and Black Cat Ring, and asks her to ensure that Adrien never learns that he was Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth/Monarch all along]].
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: This fic's version of Marinette. Nobody argues that she's essentially the villain of the story, but to what extent that is varies from reader to reader. Some find her to be a hypocritical StalkerWithACrush, bordering on the {{Yandere}} in her feeling towards Adrien, while others view her more as an AntiVillain with sympathetic motives.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: This fic's version of Marinette. Nobody argues that she's essentially the villain of the story, but to what extent that is varies from reader to reader. Some find her to be a hypocritical StalkerWithACrush, bordering on the {{Yandere}} in her feeling feelings towards Adrien, while others view her more as an AntiVillain with sympathetic motives.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: [[HowWeGotHere The very first chapter]] shows the aftermath of a [[DownerBeginning vicious conflict between Ladybug and Chat Noir]], a conflict that results in [[ThisIsUnforgivable Adrien declaring his hatred for Marinette]]. From there, [[DramaticIrony the audience is fully aware of the fact]] that [[RuleOfDrama any and all attempts at reconciliation]] between the two heroes [[ForegoneConclusion are completely futile]]. [[spoiler:Subverted in that the story doesn't ''end'' with these events, and the heroes do, ultimately, win. [[BittersweetEnding For the most part]].]]
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Nino crosses into this territory in ''Mending Warped Designs'' in the scene where he vents about [[IWorkAlone Adrien's]] poor choices [[spoiler: when he's left in a coma]], saying he "can't act like [they] wouldn't have fought Ladybug for him [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot if he'd just asked]]". [[SelfServingMemory Apparently conveniently forgetting]] that Adrien ''did'' indirectly ask several times, and they announced their position by [[spoiler: helping Ladybug and Mayura attack Chat Noir five-to-one]], firmly cementing their allegiance to Ladybug in his eyes. So is it ''really'' any wonder why Adrien didn't ask again?
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* HilariousInHindsight: After [[spoiler: Kagami]] gains the Butterfly Miraculous, she goes by the name "Monarch." Guess what Gabriel calls himself in Season 5?
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* HilariousInHindsight: After [[spoiler: Kagami]] gains Kagami,]] after gaining the Butterfly Miraculous, she goes chooses to go by the name "Monarch." Guess what Gabriel calls himself in Season 5?
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* HilariousInHindsight: After [[spoiler: Kagami]] gains the Butterfly Miraculous, goes by the name "Monarch." Guess what Gabriel calls himself in Season 5?
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* HilariousInHindsight: After [[spoiler: Kagami]] gains the Butterfly Miraculous, she goes by the name "Monarch." Guess what Gabriel calls himself in Season 5?
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* HilariousInHindsight: After [[spoiler: Kagami]] gains the Butterfly Miraculous, goes by the name "Monarch." Guess what Gabriel calls himself in Season 5?
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Fanworks are exempt of Audience Alienating Premise due to being niches in their own nature.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Some people who hear the plot of the story (Marinette undergoing a FaceHeelTurn and joining Hawkmoth) initially assume it's another example of the ''Miraculous'' fandom's infamous bash-fics and that it turns Marinette into a RonTheDeathEater. In reality, the story treats Marinette very sympathetically, even as she is SlowlySlippingIntoEvil.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Gabriel gets a strong negative reaction from Nathalie. It only becomes clear later [[TriggerPhrase why she got so angry]].
-->'''Gabriel:''' Nathalie...please. I couldn't have gotten this far without your help; you practically raised Adrien, I insist-\\
-->'''Gabriel:''' Nathalie...please. I couldn't have gotten this far without your help; you practically raised Adrien, I insist-\\
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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
** Gabriel gets a strong negative reaction from Nathalie. It only becomes clear later [[TriggerPhrase why she got so angry]].
-->'''Gabriel:''' --->'''Gabriel:''' Nathalie...please. I couldn't have gotten this far without your help; you practically raised Adrien, I insist-\\
** Gabriel gets a strong negative reaction from Nathalie. It only becomes clear later [[TriggerPhrase why she got so angry]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: [[HowWeGotHere The very first chapter]] shows the aftermath of a [[DownerBeginning vicious conflict between Ladybug and Chat Noir]], a conflict that results in [[ThisIsUnforgivable Adrien declaring his hatred for Marinette]]. From there, [[DramaticIrony the audience is fully aware of the fact]] that [[RuleOfDrama any and all attempts at reconciliation]] between the two heroes [[ForegoneConclusion are completely futile]]. [[spoiler: Subverted in that the story doesn't ''end'' with these events, and the heroes do, ultimately, win. [[BittersweetEnding For the most part]]]].
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** The entire premise of the work becomes one with the events of the show's fifth season, wherein [[spoiler:Gabriel manipulates Marinette's feelings for his son in order to get his hands on the Ladybug Earrings and Black Cat Ring, and asks her to ensure that Adrien never learns that he was Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth/Monarch all along]].
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: [[HowWeGotHere The very first chapter]] shows the aftermath of a [[DownerBeginning vicious conflict between Ladybug and Chat Noir]], a conflict that results in [[ThisIsUnforgivable Adrien declaring his hatred for Marinette]]. From there, [[DramaticIrony the audience is fully aware of the fact]] that [[RuleOfDrama any and all attempts at reconciliation]] between the two heroes [[ForegoneConclusion are completely futile]].[[spoiler: Subverted [[spoiler:Subverted in that the story doesn't ''end'' with these events, and the heroes do, ultimately, win. [[BittersweetEnding For the most part]]]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: [[HowWeGotHere The very first chapter]] shows the aftermath of a [[DownerBeginning vicious conflict between Ladybug and Chat Noir]], a conflict that results in [[ThisIsUnforgivable Adrien declaring his hatred for Marinette]]. From there, [[DramaticIrony the audience is fully aware of the fact]] that [[RuleOfDrama any and all attempts at reconciliation]] between the two heroes [[ForegoneConclusion are completely futile]].
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Some people who hear the plot of the story (Marinette undergoing a FaceHeelTurn and joining Hawkmoth) initially assume it's another example of the ''Miraculous'' fandom's infamous bash-fics and that it turns Marinette into a RonTheDeathEater. In reality, the story treats Marinette very sympathetically, even as she is SlowlySlippingIntoEvil.
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* FandomSpecificPlot: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]]; WordOfGod is that this story was inspired by the countless stories wherein ''Adrien'' has a FaceHeelTurn after finding out his father's identity. The author wanted to see what would happen if it was the opposite, and things grew from there.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: [[HowWeGotHere The very first chapter]] shows the aftermath of a [[DownerBeginning vicious conflict between Ladybug and Chat Noir]], a conflict that results in [[ThisIsUnforgivable Adrien declaring his hatred for Marinette]]. From there, [[DramaticIrony the audience is fully aware of the fact]] that [[RuleOfDrama any and all attempts at reconciliation]] between the two heroes [[ForegoneConclusion are completely futile]]. [[spoiler: Subverted in that the story doesn't ''end'' with these events, and the heroes do, ultimately, win. [[BittersweetEnding For the most part]]]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: [[HowWeGotHere The very first chapter]] shows the aftermath of a [[DownerBeginning vicious conflict between Ladybug and Chat Noir]], a conflict that results in [[ThisIsUnforgivable Adrien declaring his hatred for Marinette]]. From there, [[DramaticIrony the audience is fully aware of the fact]] that [[RuleOfDrama any and all attempts at reconciliation]] between the two heroes [[ForegoneConclusion are completely futile]]. [[spoiler: Subverted in that the story doesn't ''end'' with these events, and the heroes do, ultimately, win. [[BittersweetEnding For the most part]]]].
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* FandomSpecificPlot: [[DefiedTrope Defied]]; WordOfGod is that this story was inspired by the countless stories wherein ''Adrien'' has a FaceHeelTurn after finding out his father's identity. The author wanted to see what would happen if it was the opposite, and things grew from there.
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* FandomSpecificPlot: [[DefiedTrope Defied]]; [[InvertedTrope Inverted]]; WordOfGod is that this story was inspired by the countless stories wherein ''Adrien'' has a FaceHeelTurn after finding out his father's identity. The author wanted to see what would happen if it was the opposite, and things grew from there.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: This fic's version of Marinette, naturally. Nobody argues that she's essentially the villain of the story, but to what extent that is varies from reader to reader. Some find her to be a hypocritical StalkerWithACrush, bordering on the {{Yandere}} in her feeling towards Adrien, while others view her more as an AntiVillain with sympathetic motives.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: This fic's version of Marinette, naturally.Marinette. Nobody argues that she's essentially the villain of the story, but to what extent that is varies from reader to reader. Some find her to be a hypocritical StalkerWithACrush, bordering on the {{Yandere}} in her feeling towards Adrien, while others view her more as an AntiVillain with sympathetic motives.
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--> '''Gabriel:''' Nathalie...please. I couldn’t have gotten this far without your help; you practically raised Adrien, I insist-
--> '''Nathalie:''' Don't you dare do that to me! I'm not one of your damned puppets you can jerk around with a few words!
--> '''Nathalie:''' Don't you dare do that to me! I'm not one of your damned puppets you can jerk around with a few words!
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'''Nathalie:''' Don't you dare do that to me! I'm not one of your damned puppets you can jerk around with a few
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: [[HowWeGotHere The very first chapter]] shows the aftermath of a [[DownerBeginning vicious conflict between Ladybug and Chat Noir]], a conflict that results in [[ThisIsUnforgivable Adrien declaring his hatred for Marinette]]. From there, [[DramaticIrony the audience is fully aware of the fact]] that [[RuleOfDrama any and all attempts at reconciliation]] between the two heroes [[ForegoneConclusion are completely futile]].
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: [[HowWeGotHere The very first chapter]] shows the aftermath of a [[DownerBeginning vicious conflict between Ladybug and Chat Noir]], a conflict that results in [[ThisIsUnforgivable Adrien declaring his hatred for Marinette]]. From there, [[DramaticIrony the audience is fully aware of the fact]] that [[RuleOfDrama any and all attempts at reconciliation]] between the two heroes [[ForegoneConclusion are completely futile]]. [[spoiler: Subverted in that the story doesn't ''end'' with these events, and the heroes do, ultimately, win. [[BittersweetEnding For the most part]]]].
* FandomSpecificPlot: [[DefiedTrope Defied]]; WordOfGod is that this story was inspired by the countless stories wherein ''Adrien'' has a FaceHeelTurn after finding out his father's identity. The author wanted to see what would happen if it was the opposite, and things grew from there.
* FandomSpecificPlot: [[DefiedTrope Defied]]; WordOfGod is that this story was inspired by the countless stories wherein ''Adrien'' has a FaceHeelTurn after finding out his father's identity. The author wanted to see what would happen if it was the opposite, and things grew from there.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: This fic's version of Marinette, naturally. Nobody argues that she's essentially the villain of the story, but to what extent that is varies from reader to reader. Some find her to be a hypocritical StalkerWithACrush, bordering on the {{Yandere}} in her feeling towards Adrien, while others view her more as an AntiVillain with sympathetic motives.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: [[HowWeGotHere The very first chapter]] shows the aftermath of a [[DownerBeginning vicious conflict between Ladybug and Chat Noir]], a conflict that results in [[ThisIsUnforgivable Adrien declaring his hatred for Marinette]]. From there, [[DramaticIrony the audience is fully aware of the fact]] that [[RuleOfDrama any and all attempts at reconciliation]] between the two heroes [[ForegoneConclusion are completely futile]].
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* HarsherInHindsight: Gabriel gets a strong negative reaction from Nathalie. It only becomes clear later [[TriggerPhrase why she got so angry]].
--> '''Gabriel:''' Nathalie...please. I couldn’t have gotten this far without your help; you practically raised Adrien, I insist-
--> '''Nathalie:''' Don't you dare do that to me! I'm not one of your damned puppets you can jerk around with a few words!
--> '''Gabriel:''' Nathalie...please. I couldn’t have gotten this far without your help; you practically raised Adrien, I insist-
--> '''Nathalie:''' Don't you dare do that to me! I'm not one of your damned puppets you can jerk around with a few words!