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** The handling of Odin has also upset fans. He has always been unpleasant and a jerkass at times, but under Jason Aaron this has been taken UpToEleven, just so he can be used as a giant target for the writer to [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped drop as many anvils as possible on]] (Odin is basically the ''embodiment'' of the patriarchy). The fact that the new Thor was shown as being able to somehow fight evenly against Odin, something that classic Thor never would have had a snowball's chance to do, has also been criticized. Though many argue back that despite wailing on him with all she's got and even powered by Jupiter giant storm Thor still didn't do much but give him a bloody nose which while impressive is far from an "even" match.

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** The handling of Odin has also upset fans. He has always been unpleasant and a jerkass at times, but under Jason Aaron this has been taken UpToEleven, just so he can be used as a giant target for the writer to [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped drop as many anvils as possible on]] (Odin is basically the ''embodiment'' of the patriarchy). The fact that the new Thor was shown as being able to somehow fight evenly against Odin, something that classic Thor never would have had a snowball's chance to do, has also been criticized. Though many argue back that despite wailing whaling on him with all she's got and even powered by Jupiter giant storm Thor still didn't do much but give him a bloody nose which while impressive is far from an "even" match.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Thor becoming unworthy of his hammer is all the more stinging when, in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'', Hydra Cap uses it no problem. In fact, this is one of the ''main'' criticisms of ''both'' stories.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Thor becoming unworthy of his hammer is all the more stinging when, in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'', Hydra Cap uses it no problem. In fact, this is one of the ''main'' criticisms of ''both'' stories. [[spoiler:This one is mitigated by the fact that at the end, it's revealed that the CosmicRetcon that made Cap a HYDRA agent also altered Mjolnir's enchantment.]]
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** This was ignored by ''ComicBook/AvengersNoSurrender'', where the entire Black Order shows up alive and well.
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** [[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own. Though, the idea that Mjolnir likes [[spoiler:Jane]] better for some reason so as to to justify it guiding her is rather questionable.

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** [[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own. Though, the idea that Mjolnir likes [[spoiler:Jane]] better for some reason so as to to justify it guiding her is rather questionable.
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** [[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own.

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** [[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own. Though, the idea that Mjolnir likes [[spoiler:Jane]] better for some reason so as to to justify it guiding her is rather questionable.

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Complaining and not relevant to the point. Also Unfortunate Implications requires a credible source and not just an editor's feelings.


** Some criticized the use of Absorbing Man as a StrawMisogynist for, among other things, being out of character and unjustified as Creel had never been depicted as misogynistic. He actually ''did'' appear in a ''much'' more misogynistic manner in KSD's ''Captain Marvel'', and earlier in ''ComicBook/SecretWarriors'' it was revealed he had raped an ex-girlfriend and fathered the future superhero Stonewall. Unfortunately, that was itself kind of an AssPull in and of itself and wasn't shown until well after the death of Thunderstrike, which continued with the original characterization of Creel as someone who didn't care whether you were male or female; if he had a reason to fight you, he did. If not, he couldn't care less. What brings the rape story further into AssPull territory is that the original non-misogynist, non-rapist characterization attracted the attention of Titania, who was impressed with Creel's mindset of only caring about whether or not he had to fight you, not what sex/gender you are.

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** Some criticized the use of Absorbing Man as a StrawMisogynist for, among other things, being out of character and unjustified as Creel had never been depicted as misogynistic. He actually ''did'' appear in a ''much'' more misogynistic manner in KSD's ''Captain Marvel'', and earlier in ''ComicBook/SecretWarriors'' it was revealed he had raped an ex-girlfriend and fathered the future superhero Stonewall. Unfortunately, that was itself kind of an AssPull in and of itself and wasn't shown until well after the death of Thunderstrike, which continued with the original characterization of Creel as someone who didn't care whether you were male or female; if he had a reason to fight you, he did. If not, he couldn't care less. What brings the rape story further into AssPull territory is that the original non-misogynist, non-rapist characterization attracted the attention of Titania, who was impressed with Creel's mindset of only caring about whether or not he had to fight you, not what sex/gender you are.



* UnfortunateImplications: The "Gorr was right" reveal, since it amounts to a mix of HumansAreSuperior, FantasticRacism (approved by the story!), and ReligionIsEvil. Jane is worthy and Thor Odinson is not, because Jane Thor is human and Odinson Thor is a Norse god.
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** Vol. 4, issue 3, which includes meta-subtext in a fight between Absorbing Man and female Thor, Titania's refusing to fight Thor because "girls need to stick together", and she and Thor designating Odin as an {{expy}} of "[[TheMan The Patriarchy]]".

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** Vol. 4, issue 3, which includes meta-subtext in a fight between Absorbing Man and female Thor, Titania's refusing to fight Thor because "girls need to stick together", and she and Thor designating Odin as an {{expy}} of "[[TheMan The Patriarchy]]". It's not hard to find people saying they stopped reading current Thor comics after this issue.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The "Gorr was right" reveal, since it amounts to a mix of HumansAreSuperior, FantasticRacism (approved by the story), and ReligionIsEvil. Jane is worthy and Thor Odinson is not, because Jane Thor is human and Odinson Thor is a Norse god.

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* UnfortunateImplications: The "Gorr was right" reveal, since it amounts to a mix of HumansAreSuperior, FantasticRacism (approved by the story), story!), and ReligionIsEvil. Jane is worthy and Thor Odinson is not, because Jane Thor is human and Odinson Thor is a Norse god.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The "Gorr was right" reveal, since it amounts to a mix of HumansAreSuperior, FantasticRacism(approved by the story), and ReligionIsEvil. Jane is worthy and Thor Odinson is not, because Jane Thor is human and Odinson Thor is a Norse god.

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* UnfortunateImplications: The "Gorr was right" reveal, since it amounts to a mix of HumansAreSuperior, FantasticRacism(approved FantasticRacism (approved by the story), and ReligionIsEvil. Jane is worthy and Thor Odinson is not, because Jane Thor is human and Odinson Thor is a Norse god.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The "Gorr was right" reveal, since it amounts to a mix of HumansAreSuperior, FantasticRacism, and ReligionIsEvil. Jane is worthy and Thor Odinson is not, because Jane Thor is human and Odinson Thor is a Norse god.

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* UnfortunateImplications: The "Gorr was right" reveal, since it amounts to a mix of HumansAreSuperior, FantasticRacism, FantasticRacism(approved by the story), and ReligionIsEvil. Jane is worthy and Thor Odinson is not, because Jane Thor is human and Odinson Thor is a Norse god.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The "Gorr was right" reveal, since it amounts to a mix of HumansAreSuperior, FantasticRacism, and ReligionIsEvil. Jane is worthy and Thor Odinson is not, because Jane Thor is human and Odinson Thor is a Norse god.
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** Some criticized the use of Absorbing Man as a StrawMisogynist for, among other things, being out of character and unjustified as Creel had never been depicted as misogynistic. He actually ''did'' appear in a ''much'' more misogynistic manner in KSD's ''Captain Marvel'', and earlier in ''ComicBook/SecretWarriors'' it was revealed he had raped an ex-girlfriend and fathered the future superhero Stonewall.

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** Some criticized the use of Absorbing Man as a StrawMisogynist for, among other things, being out of character and unjustified as Creel had never been depicted as misogynistic. He actually ''did'' appear in a ''much'' more misogynistic manner in KSD's ''Captain Marvel'', and earlier in ''ComicBook/SecretWarriors'' it was revealed he had raped an ex-girlfriend and fathered the future superhero Stonewall. Unfortunately, that was itself kind of an AssPull in and of itself and wasn't shown until well after the death of Thunderstrike, which continued with the original characterization of Creel as someone who didn't care whether you were male or female; if he had a reason to fight you, he did. If not, he couldn't care less. What brings the rape story further into AssPull territory is that the original non-misogynist, non-rapist characterization attracted the attention of Titania, who was impressed with Creel's mindset of only caring about whether or not he had to fight you, not what sex/gender you are.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In ''The Unworthy Thor'', both [[spoiler:Black Swan]] and [[spoiler:Proxima Midnight]], both popular characters from ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers'', are off'd nonchalantly by [[spoiler:Hela]]. It doesn't help that why [[spoiler:Black Swan]] was even ''working'' with Thanos anymore was left unexplained, given her entire motivation being a moot point after ''Secret Wars''.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In ''The Unworthy Thor'', both [[spoiler:Black Swan]] and [[spoiler:Proxima Midnight]], both popular characters from ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers'', are off'd offed nonchalantly by [[spoiler:Hela]]. It doesn't help that why [[spoiler:Black Swan]] was even ''working'' with Thanos anymore was left unexplained, given her entire motivation being a moot point after ''Secret Wars''.
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What An Idiot is not, I think this person is dumb. Its more in lion with poking a sleeping tiger or talking bad about a mans mother to his face.


* WhatAnIdiot: Jane has cancer that could potentially kill her, and whenever she uses Mjölnir it ends up undoing all her Chemotherapy.
** '''You'd Think:''' That as a Professional Trained Doctor and the person who kept Thor Odinson grounded for so many years, she'd put the hammer down till she got better, or help it find another wielder, or get a magical cure from someone.
** '''Instead:''' She keeps using the hammer and letting undone all her treatment
** '''The Result:''' Her cancer is continuing to progress and at the end of SecretEmpire she ended up need Emergency Medical treatment '''''in the middle of a battlefield.'''''
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** '''You'd Think:''' That's as a Professional Trained Doctor and the person who kept Thor Odinson grounded for so many years, she'd put the hammer down till she got better, or help it find another wielder, or get a magically cure from someone.

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** '''You'd Think:''' That's That as a Professional Trained Doctor and the person who kept Thor Odinson grounded for so many years, she'd put the hammer down till she got better, or help it find another wielder, or get a magically magical cure from someone.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Jane has cancer that could potentially kill her, and whenever she uses Mjölnir it ends up undoing all her Chemotherapy.
** '''You'd Think:''' That's as a Professional Trained Doctor and the person who kept Thor Odinson grounded for so many years, she'd put the hammer down till she got better, or help it find another wielder, or get a magically cure from someone.
** '''Instead:''' She keeps using the hammer and letting undone all her treatment
** '''The Result:''' Her cancer is continuing to progress and at the end of SecretEmpire she ended up need Emergency Medical treatment '''''in the middle of a battlefield.'''''
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** The introduction of "War Thor" has the line "meet the War Thor, and prepared to bleed".

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The Base Breaking Character entry talks more about the series than the actual character. Moving.


** Jason Aaron dragging out the obvious inevitability that Thor will be worthy again. He's somehow captured by random alien guys, meters away from the Ultimate Mjolnir, and then the series goes into a random story about... the origin of Loki's EliteMooks... then it's right back to the Roxxon stuff, with the original Thor not getting any focus at all. Then, in ''The Unworthy Thor'', it takes ''all five issues'' for him to even reach the hammer again, and he doesn't even use it (in its full capacity), with the hammer instead being set up as the hammer of "the War Thor", ''another'' hammer wielder with a secret identity.
** Whatever made the original Thor unworthy. It happened in 2014, in the ''Original Sin'' event, wasn't revealed until ''2017'', in a ''mini''series.
* AssPull: [[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own.

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** The mystery of whatever made Thor unworthy and Jason Aaron dragging out the obvious inevitability that Thor will be worthy again. He's somehow captured by random alien guys, meters away from the Ultimate Mjolnir, and then the series goes into a random story about... the origin of Loki's EliteMooks... then it's right back to the Roxxon stuff, with the original Thor not getting any focus at all. Then, in ''The Unworthy Thor'', it takes ''all five issues'' for him to even reach the hammer again, and he doesn't even use it (in its full capacity), with the hammer instead being set up as the hammer of "the War Thor", ''another'' hammer wielder with a secret identity.
** Whatever made the original
identity. Note: Thor unworthy. It being unworthy of using Mjolnir happened in 2014, in the ''Original Sin'' event, and wasn't revealed resolved until ''2017'', in a ''mini''series.
* AssPull: AssPull:
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[[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own.own.
** The entire illusion spell that [[spoiler: Mjolnir was able to cast]] because... Jason Aaron wrote himself into a corner. [[spoiler: Mjolnir]] has never ''once'' demonstrated the ability to cast illusions, so... yeah.



** Seemingly playing off that, in ''The Unworthy Thor'', Thor is able to use Ultimate Mjolnir to teleport all of Asgard, likely meaning he ''is'' worthy. However, he himself chooses to not use the hammer further. Beta Ray Bill even says that, if any gods are worthy, then it's Thor.
* BaseBreakingCharacter: Female Thor herself. A major change to a beloved character is always going to be met with resistance, but some accuse the comic of being feminist propaganda. Still, many have praised it for being a good comic with a likable character.

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** Seemingly playing off that, in ''The Unworthy Thor'', Thor is able to use Ultimate Mjolnir to teleport all of Asgard, likely meaning he ''is'' worthy. However, he himself chooses to not use the hammer further. Beta Ray Bill even says that, if any gods are worthy, then it's Thor.
* BaseBreakingCharacter: Female Thor herself. A major change to a beloved character is always going to be met with resistance, but some accuse the comic of being feminist propaganda. Still, many have praised it for being a good comic with a likable character.
Thor.



** The Female Thor series themselves within the ''Thor'' fanbase. A major change to a beloved character is always going to be met with resistance, but some accuse the comic of being feminist propaganda, given the Anvilicious nature of its message as well as the derailing of characters to make her look better. Still, many have praised it for being a good comic with a likable character with a refreshing subject matter, and enjoy the female representation in a very male-dominated genre.



** The ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel relaunch's handling of Loki. Both in regards to Loki's design (where he's regained his second horn and gloves but still has a torn jacket, and has gained PermaStubble, that resembles pubes glued to his chin, when Loki's typically been clean shaven, and is now explicitly an adult when previously appeared to be in a young adult form) and his characterization (where its teased he might be returning to villainy, but its not clear if this is just Loki tricking the villains), has been divisive between those who are glad to have Loki back and enjoy the way he's being handled, and those (mostly fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'') who are less thrilled with how he appears to have forgoed the character development from that run and the differing characterization between now and how God of Stories Loki appeared. Really didn't help that Loki:[=AoA=] was one of the titles stealth cancelled (read: ended without an official word about it to this day) before the relaunch and also one without a clear follow-up giving its fans the impression that Marvel ''expects'' them to pick up the new Thor title for their Loki fix. This haws been somewhat mitigated by the implication that [[spoiler: Loki and Freyja are working together]].
** The handling of Odin has also upset fans. He has always been unpleasant and a jerkass at times, but under Jason Aaron this has been taken UpToEleven, just so he can be used as a giant target for the writer to [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped drop as many anvils as possible on.]] The fact that the new Thor was shown as being able to somehow fight evenly against Odin, something that classic Thor never would have had a snowball's chance to do, has also been criticized. Though many argue back that despite wailing on him with all she's got and even powered by Jupiter giant storm Thor still didn't do much but give him a bloody nose which while impressive is far from an "even" match.

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** The ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel relaunch's handling of Loki. Both in regards to Loki's design (where he's regained his second horn and gloves but still has a torn jacket, and has gained PermaStubble, PermaStubble that resembles pubes glued to his chin, when Loki's typically been clean shaven, and is now explicitly an adult when previously appeared to be in a young adult form) and his characterization (where its it's teased he might be returning to villainy, but its not clear if this is just Loki tricking the villains), has been divisive between those who are glad to have Loki back and enjoy the way he's being handled, and those (mostly fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'') who are less thrilled with how he appears to have forgoed forgone the character development from that run and the differing characterization between now and how God of Stories Loki appeared. Really didn't help that Loki:[=AoA=] was one of the titles stealth cancelled (read: ended without an official word about it to this day) before the relaunch and also one without a clear follow-up giving its fans the impression that Marvel ''expects'' them to pick up the new Thor title for their Loki fix. This haws been was somewhat mitigated by the implication that [[spoiler: Loki and Freyja are working together]].
together]]... then it wasn't with how that was resolved.
** The handling of Odin has also upset fans. He has always been unpleasant and a jerkass at times, but under Jason Aaron this has been taken UpToEleven, just so he can be used as a giant target for the writer to [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped drop as many anvils as possible on.]] on]] (Odin is basically the ''embodiment'' of the patriarchy). The fact that the new Thor was shown as being able to somehow fight evenly against Odin, something that classic Thor never would have had a snowball's chance to do, has also been criticized. Though many argue back that despite wailing on him with all she's got and even powered by Jupiter giant storm Thor still didn't do much but give him a bloody nose which while impressive is far from an "even" match.



** Mjolnir having NewPowersAsThePlotDemands is nothing new, as the Marvel wiki can attest, it's been given multiple powers that have nothing to do with stormbringing, such as time travel and matter transmutation. Compared to them, controlled flight and a [[spoiler: one-off ability to empathically shapeshift into Jane and tap into her medical expertise]] are downright reasonable.
* ReplacementScrappy: Due to many readers preferring the original Thor to continue helming the book, Female Thor was this before her story even started. There's issue about her using the name (Unlike Steve Rogers and Captain America, Thor is the character's legitimate name), the controversial set-up to have Thor lose his hammer (an ''Original Sin'' plot point that kinda came out of nowhere and hasn't been explained), and the design of her costume.

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** Mjolnir having NewPowersAsThePlotDemands is nothing new, as the Marvel wiki can attest, it's been given multiple powers that have nothing to do with stormbringing, such as time travel and matter transmutation. Compared to them, controlled flight and a [[spoiler: one-off ability to empathically shapeshift into Jane and tap into her medical expertise]] are downright reasonable.
reasonable, although matter transmutation at least has some precedent, as it at least relates to the elements.
* ReplacementScrappy: Due to many readers preferring the original Thor to continue helming the book, Female Thor was this before her story even started. There's issue about her using the name (Unlike Steve Rogers and Captain America, Thor is the character's legitimate name), the controversial set-up to have Thor lose his hammer (an ''Original Sin'' plot point that kinda came out of nowhere and hasn't been explained), wasn't explained for years), and the design of her costume.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In ''The Unworthy Thor'', both [[spoiler:Black Swan]] and [[spoiler:Proxima Midnight]], both popular characters from ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers'', are off'd nonchalantly by [[spoiler:Hela]]. It doesn't help that why [[spoiler:Black Swan]] was even ''working'' with Thanos anymore was unexplained, given her entire motivation being a moot point after ''Secret Wars''.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In ''The Unworthy Thor'', both [[spoiler:Black Swan]] and [[spoiler:Proxima Midnight]], both popular characters from ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers'', are off'd nonchalantly by [[spoiler:Hela]]. It doesn't help that why [[spoiler:Black Swan]] was even ''working'' with Thanos anymore was left unexplained, given her entire motivation being a moot point after ''Secret Wars''.
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** The ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel relaunch's handling of Loki. Both in regards to Loki's design (where he's regained his second horn and gloves but still has a torn jacket, and has gained PermaStubble, that resembles pubes glued to his chin, when Loki's typically been clean shaven, and is now explicitly an adult when previously appeared to be in a young adult form) and his characterization (where its teased he might be returning to villainy, but its not clear if this is just Loki tricking the villains), has been devisive between those who are glad to have Loki back and enjoy the way he's being handled, and those (mostly fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'') who are less thrilled with how he appears to have forgoed the character development from that run and the differing characterization between now and how God of Stories Loki appeared. Really didn't help that Loki:[=AoA=] was one of the titles stealth cancelled (read: ended without an official word about it to this day) before the relaunch and also one without a clear follow-up giving its fans the impression that Marvel ''expects'' them to pick up the new Thor title for their Loki fix. This haws been somewhat mitigated by the implication that [[spoiler: Loki and Freyja are working together]].

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** The ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel relaunch's handling of Loki. Both in regards to Loki's design (where he's regained his second horn and gloves but still has a torn jacket, and has gained PermaStubble, that resembles pubes glued to his chin, when Loki's typically been clean shaven, and is now explicitly an adult when previously appeared to be in a young adult form) and his characterization (where its teased he might be returning to villainy, but its not clear if this is just Loki tricking the villains), has been devisive divisive between those who are glad to have Loki back and enjoy the way he's being handled, and those (mostly fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'') who are less thrilled with how he appears to have forgoed the character development from that run and the differing characterization between now and how God of Stories Loki appeared. Really didn't help that Loki:[=AoA=] was one of the titles stealth cancelled (read: ended without an official word about it to this day) before the relaunch and also one without a clear follow-up giving its fans the impression that Marvel ''expects'' them to pick up the new Thor title for their Loki fix. This haws been somewhat mitigated by the implication that [[spoiler: Loki and Freyja are working together]].
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Female Thor herself. A major change to a beloved character is always going to be met with resistance, but some accuse the comic of being feminist propaganda Still, many have praised it for being a good comic with a likable character.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Female Thor herself. A major change to a beloved character is always going to be met with resistance, but some accuse the comic of being feminist propaganda propaganda. Still, many have praised it for being a good comic with a likable character.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Thor becoming unworthy of his hammer is all the more stinging when, in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'', Hydra Cap uses it no problem. In fact, this is one of the ''main'' criticisms of [=BOTH=] stories.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Thor becoming unworthy of his hammer is all the more stinging when, in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'', Hydra Cap uses it no problem. In fact, this is one of the ''main'' criticisms of [=BOTH=] ''both'' stories.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Thor becoming unworthy of his hammer is all the more stinging when, in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'', Hydra Cap uses it no problem. In fact, this is one of the ''main'' criticisms of that story.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Thor becoming unworthy of his hammer is all the more stinging when, in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'', Hydra Cap uses it no problem. In fact, this is one of the ''main'' criticisms of that story.[=BOTH=] stories.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: A minority of people, who liked the more GuileHero approach to Thor in recent years, feel this series is a step back to the ActionHero Thor of yore, who is impulsive, lacks humility, wants to solve every problem by hitting it, and also for whom Odin was a constant stumbling block. They're generally more accepting of [[spoiler:Jane]] though, if this had to happen a LegacyCharacter is less rage inducing than destroying Thor Odinson's character development.

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A minority of people, who liked the more GuileHero approach to Thor in recent years, feel this series is a step back to the ActionHero Thor of yore, who is impulsive, lacks humility, wants to solve every problem by hitting it, and also for whom Odin was a constant stumbling block. They're generally more accepting of [[spoiler:Jane]] though, if this had to happen happen, a LegacyCharacter is less rage inducing than destroying Thor Odinson's character development.development.
** The War Thor, for being yet ''another'' hammer wielder with a played up secret identity.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In ''The Unworthy Thor'', both [[spoiler:Black Swan]] and [[spoiler:Proxima Midnight]], both popular characters from ''ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers'', are off'd nonchalantly by [[spoiler:Hela]]. It doesn't help that why [[spoiler:Black Swan]] was even ''working'' with Thanos anymore was unexplained, given her entire motivation being a moot point after ''Secret Wars''.
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In real life, yes. In fiction, though, we have a trope called Awesomeness By Analysis.


* AssPull: [[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows (which is questionable, given that watching and acting are very different things) and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own.

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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows (which is questionable, given that watching and acting are very different things) and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own.
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* AuthorsSavingThor:
** Jonathan Hickman did one in his ''Avengers'' run. The original Thor was unworthy during the "Time Runs Out" arc, and instead used the hammer of Thorr, which can only be lifted by the ''unworthy''. At the end of the arc, Thor is unable to lift it.

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** Jonathan Hickman did one in his ''Avengers'' ''[[JonathanHickmansAvengers Avengers]]'' run. The original Thor was unworthy during the "Time Runs Out" arc, and instead used the hammer of Thorr, which can only be lifted by the ''unworthy''. At the end of the arc, Thor is unable to lift it.

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** Jason Aaron dragging out the obvious inevitability that Thor will use the Ultimate Mjolnir. He's somehow captured by random alien guys, meters away from the hammer, and then the series goes into a random story about... the origin of Loki's EliteMooks... then it's right back to the Roxxon stuff, with the original Thor not getting any focus at all.
** There's still no indication on what was whispered to Thor that made him unworthy.
* AssPull: [[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own.

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** Jason Aaron dragging out the obvious inevitability that Thor will use the Ultimate Mjolnir. be worthy again. He's somehow captured by random alien guys, meters away from the hammer, Ultimate Mjolnir, and then the series goes into a random story about... the origin of Loki's EliteMooks... then it's right back to the Roxxon stuff, with the original Thor not getting any focus at all.
all. Then, in ''The Unworthy Thor'', it takes ''all five issues'' for him to even reach the hammer again, and he doesn't even use it (in its full capacity), with the hammer instead being set up as the hammer of "the War Thor", ''another'' hammer wielder with a secret identity.
** There's still no indication on what was whispered to Whatever made the original Thor that made him unworthy.
unworthy. It happened in 2014, in the ''Original Sin'' event, wasn't revealed until ''2017'', in a ''mini''series.
* AssPull: [[spoiler:Jane Foster]], upon acquiring Mjolnir, is suddenly able to fight with all of Thor's fighting skills on a level equal to the original. The last time a mortal took over for Thor (Eric Masterson), it was actually a ''plot point'' that he had none of Thor's skills and didn't know how many of his powers worked. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in two ways: one, [[spoiler:Jane]] has observed the way Thor fought for years and is trying to copy what she knows (which is questionable, given that watching and acting are very different things) and two, the hammer "likes her better" and is thus giving her guidance. The latter actually has precedent, as Eric Masterson also said that Mjolnir had something of a mind of its own.own.
* AuthorsSavingThor:
** Jonathan Hickman did one in his ''Avengers'' run. The original Thor was unworthy during the "Time Runs Out" arc, and instead used the hammer of Thorr, which can only be lifted by the ''unworthy''. At the end of the arc, Thor is unable to lift it.
** Seemingly playing off that, in ''The Unworthy Thor'', Thor is able to use Ultimate Mjolnir to teleport all of Asgard, likely meaning he ''is'' worthy. However, he himself chooses to not use the hammer further. Beta Ray Bill even says that, if any gods are worthy, then it's Thor.
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Moved from the The Mighty Thor/YMMV

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** Marvel's attitude toward the character grated on some people. Specifically, the insistence that the female Thor wasn't intended as "a woman who has Thor's powers" in the same way that Beta-Ray Bill is "an alien with Thor's powers" but rather "she's the new Thor; she's actually Thor." As Linkara put it:
--->'''Linkara:''' The problem is, Thor isn't a costumed identity, its the name he was born with! It would be a bit like Sam Wilson putting on the red-white-and-blue tights, picking up the shield, and calling himself 'Steve Rogers' instead of Captain America! And that's just wrong!"
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* GrowingTheBeard: Her title relaunch as ''Mighty Thor'' has had more positive feedback especially after she got away from Marvels crossovers and was finally allowed to begin her own story arc.
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** Mjolnir having NewPowersAsThePlotDemands is nothing new, as the Marvel wiki can attest, it's given multiple powers that have nothing with stormbringing such as time travel and matter transmutation. Compared to them, controlled flight and a [[spoiler: one-off ability to empathically shapeshift into Jane and tap into her medical expertise]] are downright reasonable.

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** Mjolnir having NewPowersAsThePlotDemands is nothing new, as the Marvel wiki can attest, it's been given multiple powers that have nothing to do with stormbringing stormbringing, such as time travel and matter transmutation. Compared to them, controlled flight and a [[spoiler: one-off ability to empathically shapeshift into Jane and tap into her medical expertise]] are downright reasonable.

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