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** The deceptively pretty and sweet Green Lady, who bewitches people with her music, is very similar to the media's image of Music/TaylorSwift during TheNewTens, especially once Taylor's {{hatedom}} started calling her a snake after her spat with Music/KanyeWest in 2016. Moreover, the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.

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** The deceptively pretty and sweet Green Lady, who bewitches people with her music, is very similar to the media's image of Music/TaylorSwift during TheNewTens, especially once Taylor's Tay-Tay's {{hatedom}} started calling her a snake after her spat with Music/KanyeWest in 2016. Moreover, the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.
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** The deceptively pretty and sweet Green Lady, who bewitches people with her music, is very similar to the media's image of Music/TaylorSwift during TheNewTens, to the point where her {{hatedom}} started calling her a snake after her spat with Music/KanyeWest in 2016. Moreover, the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.

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** The deceptively pretty and sweet Green Lady, who bewitches people with her music, is very similar to the media's image of Music/TaylorSwift during TheNewTens, to the point where her especially once Taylor's {{hatedom}} started calling her a snake after her spat with Music/KanyeWest in 2016. Moreover, the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.
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** The deceptively pretty and sweet Green Lady, who bewitches people with her music, is very similar to the media's image of Music/TaylorSwift during TheNewTens, to the point where her {{hatedom}} started calling her a snake after her spat with Music/KanyeWest in 2016. And the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.

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** The deceptively pretty and sweet Green Lady, who bewitches people with her music, is very similar to the media's image of Music/TaylorSwift during TheNewTens, to the point where her {{hatedom}} started calling her a snake after her spat with Music/KanyeWest in 2016. And Moreover, the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.
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** A few details about the villainous Green Lady. Nowadays, a deceptively pretty and sweet snake-woman who bewitches people with her music is likely to remind readers of similar insults against Music/TaylorSwift, especially after her {{hatedom}} took to calling her a snake due to her spat with Music/KanyeWest in 2016. And the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.

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** A few details about the villainous Green Lady. Nowadays, a The deceptively pretty and sweet snake-woman Green Lady, who bewitches people with her music music, is likely to remind readers of very similar insults against Music/TaylorSwift, especially after to the media's image of Music/TaylorSwift during TheNewTens, to the point where her {{hatedom}} took to started calling her a snake due to after her spat with Music/KanyeWest in 2016. And the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.
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** A few notes about the villainous Green Lady. Nowadays, a deceptively pretty and sweet snake-woman who bewitches people with music is likely to remind readers of the "Music/TaylorSwift is a snake" memes that started circulating in 2016. And the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.

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** A few notes details about the villainous Green Lady. Nowadays, a deceptively pretty and sweet snake-woman who bewitches people with her music is likely to remind readers of the "Music/TaylorSwift is similar insults against Music/TaylorSwift, especially after her {{hatedom}} took to calling her a snake" memes that started circulating snake due to her spat with Music/KanyeWest in 2016. And the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story has a few aspects reminiscent of UrbanLegends you may have heard on TheInternet. First, the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke. Second, Puddleglum's climactic faith-affirming AuthorFilibuster, directed at an apparent HollywoodAtheist, rings of chain messages about good Christian students trouncing smug secular professors in arguments (though it should be noted that Lewis pulls it off a lot better than the authors of those copypastas do, seeing how he was such a talented wordsmith in general).

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* HilariousInHindsight: This story has a few aspects reminiscent of UrbanLegends you may have heard on TheInternet. First, the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke. Second, HilariousInHindsight:
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Puddleglum's climactic faith-affirming AuthorFilibuster, directed at an apparent HollywoodAtheist, rings of chain messages about good Christian students trouncing smug secular professors in arguments (though it should be noted that Lewis pulls it off a lot better than the authors of those copypastas do, seeing how he was such a talented wordsmith in general).general).
** A few notes about the villainous Green Lady. Nowadays, a deceptively pretty and sweet snake-woman who bewitches people with music is likely to remind readers of the "Music/TaylorSwift is a snake" memes that started circulating in 2016. And the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control, is likewise eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke.
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** ValuesDissonance: However, Lewis also seems to have problems with secular education and with non-sex segregated schools.

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** ValuesDissonance: However, Lewis also seems to have problems with secular education and with non-sex segregated schools.gender-integrated education.
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** ValuesDissonance: However, Lewis also seems to have problems with secular education and with non-sex segregated schools.
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* EpilepticTrees: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from? WordOfGod says that she is the source of the green mist added in the film version of ''Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader'', which was meant to foreshadow her role in the next story.

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* EpilepticTrees: EpilepticTrees[=/=]FanficFuel: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from? WordOfGod says that she is the source of the green mist added in the film version of ''Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader'', which was meant to foreshadow her role in the next story.
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story has a few aspects reminiscent of UrbanLegends you may have heard on TheInternet. First, the notion of a shapeshifting reptilian invader subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control is eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke. Second, Puddleglum's climactic faith-affirming AuthorFilibuster, directed at an apparent HollywoodAtheist, rings of chain messages about good Christian students trouncing smug secular professors in arguments (though it should be noted that Lewis pulls it off a lot better than the authors of those copypastas do, seeing how he was such a talented wordsmith in general).

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* HilariousInHindsight: This story has a few aspects reminiscent of UrbanLegends you may have heard on TheInternet. First, the notion of a [[TheReptilians shapeshifting reptilian invader invader]], lurking within an ElaborateUndergroundBase and subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control control, is eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke. Second, Puddleglum's climactic faith-affirming AuthorFilibuster, directed at an apparent HollywoodAtheist, rings of chain messages about good Christian students trouncing smug secular professors in arguments (though it should be noted that Lewis pulls it off a lot better than the authors of those copypastas do, seeing how he was such a talented wordsmith in general).
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story has a few aspects reminiscent of UrbanLegends you may have heard on TheInternet. First, the notion of a shapeshifting reptilian invader subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control is eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke. Second, Puddleglum's climactic faith-affirming AuthorFilibuster, directed at an apparent HollywoodAtheist, rings of more recent chain messages about good Christian students trouncing smug secular professors in arguments (though it should be noted that Lewis pulls it off a lot better than the authors of those copypastas do, seeing how he was such a talented wordsmith in general).

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* HilariousInHindsight: This story has a few aspects reminiscent of UrbanLegends you may have heard on TheInternet. First, the notion of a shapeshifting reptilian invader subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control is eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke. Second, Puddleglum's climactic faith-affirming AuthorFilibuster, directed at an apparent HollywoodAtheist, rings of more recent chain messages about good Christian students trouncing smug secular professors in arguments (though it should be noted that Lewis pulls it off a lot better than the authors of those copypastas do, seeing how he was such a talented wordsmith in general).
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story has a few aspects reminiscent of UrbanLegends you may have heard on TheInternet. First, the notion of a shapeshifting reptilian invader subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control is eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke. Second, Puddleglum's climactic faith-affirming AuthorFilibuster, directed at an apparent HollywoodAtheist, rings of more recent chain messages about good Christian students trouncing smug secular professors in arguments (though it should be noted that Lewis pulls it off a lot better than the authors of those copypastas do, seeing how he was such a talented author in general).

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* HilariousInHindsight: This story has a few aspects reminiscent of UrbanLegends you may have heard on TheInternet. First, the notion of a shapeshifting reptilian invader subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control is eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke. Second, Puddleglum's climactic faith-affirming AuthorFilibuster, directed at an apparent HollywoodAtheist, rings of more recent chain messages about good Christian students trouncing smug secular professors in arguments (though it should be noted that Lewis pulls it off a lot better than the authors of those copypastas do, seeing how he was such a talented author wordsmith in general).

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** The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine secular atheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).
** She could also be a counterpart to the devil.

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** The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine secular atheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).
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(Heaven). She could also be considered a counterpart to the devil.SatanicArchetype.


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* HilariousInHindsight: This story has a few aspects reminiscent of UrbanLegends you may have heard on TheInternet. First, the notion of a shapeshifting reptilian invader subtly acquiring power through governmental infiltration and mind control is eerily similar to UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories propounded by the likes of Creator/DavidIcke. Second, Puddleglum's climactic faith-affirming AuthorFilibuster, directed at an apparent HollywoodAtheist, rings of more recent chain messages about good Christian students trouncing smug secular professors in arguments (though it should be noted that Lewis pulls it off a lot better than the authors of those copypastas do, seeing how he was such a talented author in general).
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* {{Fanon}}: Some fans seem to think that the Lady of the Green Kirtle is actually Jadis the White Witch reborn. This mostly comes from a mistake in a manual (''not'' [[GodNeverSaidThat written by Lewis himself]]) that describes Jadis as being in this book. Likewise Barbara Kellerman played both Jadis and the Green Lady in the BBC adaptations - but this is ignoring that several other actors also doubled up to play different roles across the adaptations (Kellerman also played the hag in ''Prince Caspian'').

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* {{Fanon}}: Some fans seem to think that the Lady of the Green Kirtle is actually Jadis the White Witch reborn. This mostly comes from a mistake in a manual (''not'' [[GodNeverSaidThat written by Lewis himself]]) that describes Jadis as being in this book. Likewise Barbara Kellerman played both Jadis and the Green Lady in the BBC adaptations - but this is ignoring that several other actors also doubled up to play different roles across the adaptations (Kellerman also played the hag in ''Prince Caspian''). It probably doesn't help that some characters theorize that the Lady of the Green Kirtle is ''similar to'' Jadis.
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** The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine secular humanist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).

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** The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine secular humanist atheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).
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* FridgeLogic : The Lady of the Green Kirtle's clothing, and later her appearance as the serpent, was described as "green as poison." This always seemed like an odd simile...Until this troper read about ''arsenic'' used in the dyeing of (green) garments and wallpaper during Victorian times.

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* FridgeLogic : ** The Lady of the Green Kirtle's clothing, and later her appearance as the serpent, was described as "green as poison." This always seemed like an odd simile...Until this troper read about until one remembers that ''arsenic'' was often used in the dyeing of (green) garments and wallpaper during Victorian times.
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* FridgeLogic : The Lady of the Green Kirtle's clothing, and later her appearance as the serpent, was described as "green as poison." This always seemed like an odd simile...Until this troper read about ''arsenic'' used in the dyeing of (green) garments and wallpaper during Victorian times.
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** The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine secular humanist/StrawAtheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).

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** The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine secular humanist/StrawAtheist humanist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).
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* FridgeBrilliance: At the beginning of the story, Caspian is going to find Aslan and ask him what to do about his successor, given that his son and heir has been missing for years. When Jill meets Aslan for the first time, he tells he has been calling her and Eustace since before they called to him, and he then gives her the mission of finding Prince Rilian. Aslan was planning the answer before Caspian had even asked the question![[note]]Given that Aslan is meant to represent Jesus, Lewis may have intended this realization.[[/note]]
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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Caspian]]'s death.
** Prince Rilian's ranting as he's tied to the chair. It starts with him sadly remembering his life in Narnia, only to notice Jill, Eustace, and Puddleglum and ''beg'' them to free him. When they hesitate, he becomes so desperate that he begins shouting increasingly violent threats at them, to the point where he's ''foaming at the mouth'' when they do free him. Keep in mind that this has been going on for ''years'', him "waking up" nightly, only to find he can't escape. Consider also that after he's freed, Rilian is generally kind and reasonable. You have to wonder how horrific things were for him to be so desperate to be freed.

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* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine secular humanist/StrawAtheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).

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The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine secular humanist/StrawAtheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).



* EpilepticTrees: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from?

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Camilla Power's portrayal of Jill in the BBC adaptation makes her the favourite out of the various child actors who starred in the series.
* EpilepticTrees: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from?from? WordOfGod says that she is the source of the green mist added in the film version of ''Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader'', which was meant to foreshadow her role in the next story.
* FanNickname: The Lady of the Green Kirtle is often called the Green Lady and the Emerald Witch, despite neither appearing in the book's text.
* {{Fanon}}: Some fans seem to think that the Lady of the Green Kirtle is actually Jadis the White Witch reborn. This mostly comes from a mistake in a manual (''not'' [[GodNeverSaidThat written by Lewis himself]]) that describes Jadis as being in this book. Likewise Barbara Kellerman played both Jadis and the Green Lady in the BBC adaptations - but this is ignoring that several other actors also doubled up to play different roles across the adaptations (Kellerman also played the hag in ''Prince Caspian'').


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* ValuesResonance: The fact that the teachers allow such bullying to happen at the school is treated as a bad thing in the text. Despite SchoolBullyingIsHarmless enduring for decades after this was written, this is quite telling.
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* WhatAnIdiot: On hearing the story of Rilian's mother's death from Glimfeather, Jill is perceptive enough to realize that the beautiful woman and the deadly snake are one and the same. Later on the trip, when they come across the Lady of the GREEN Kirtle riding her horse in the middle of nowhere, Jill remains totally unsuspicious.
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** Prince Rilian's ranting as he's tied to the chair. It starts with him sadly remembering his life in Narnia, only to notice Jill, Eustace, and Puddleglum and ''beg'' them to free him. When they hesitate, he becomes so desperate that he begins shouting increasingly violent threats at them, to the point where he's ''foaming at the mouth'' when they do free him. Keep in mind that this has been going on for ''years'', him "waking up" nightly, only to find he can't escape. Consider also that after he's freed, Rilian is generally kind and reasonable. You have to wonder how horrific things were for him to be so desperate to be freed.
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* CanonDiscontinuity: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from?

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* CanonDiscontinuity: EpilepticTrees: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from?

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* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine atheist/StrawAtheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).

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* {{Applicability}}: The Lady of the Green Kirtle uses genuine atheist/StrawAtheist secular humanist/StrawAtheist arguments -- Aslan is merely suggested in the mind by her cat as is the Sun by her lamp, the upper world is just a pacifying fantasy, etc. -- to try and persuade the heroes that there is no Aslan (God) and there is no Narnia (Heaven).


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** She's also could be a counterpart to the devil.

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** She's also pretty accurate as the devil.

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** She's also pretty accurate as the devil.
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* TearJerker: Caspian's death.

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* TearJerker: Caspian's [[spoiler: Caspian]]'s death.
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* FetishFuel: [[DistressedDude Prince Rilian]], {{brainwashed}}, [[BoundAndGagged bound]], and [[AintTooProudToBeg begging]].
** Also the detailed {{Mind Control}} scene

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