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* TheWoobie: Tiana, especially when she was [[spoiler:misled into thinking Prince Naveen was going to marry Charlotte instead of her. Poor Tiana.]]
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* TheWoobie: Tiana, especially when Tiana undergoes a lot during the movie which makes you feel sad for her.
** First, she loses her father, whom she was[[spoiler:misled very close to, at a pretty young age.
** Then she works herself to exhaustion with her two jobs.
** As a result of her hard working she is able to make a bid on a building so she can have the restaurant she always wanted... but she's shooed away from this by the seller for no particular stated reason (though worse, it's heavily implied to be because of outright racism/discrimination).
** Then she has a HopeSpot when Charlotte decides to hire her for her party and she meets Frog!Naveen who offers to help her if she kisses him. Instead of this working out, she gets turned intothinking Prince a frog herself, and then has to fight for her life because she and Naveen was (as frogs) are being hunted.
** Even when they finally get to Mama Odie, they can't be turned back into humans.
** Then just as she's starting to get some romantic feelings for Naveen, the latter [[spoiler:seems to be going to marry Charlotte instead of her.Poor Tiana.Which was in an effort to turn Naveen and Tiana back into humans... but again, doesn't work out.]]
** First, she loses her father, whom she was
** Then she works herself to exhaustion with her two jobs.
** As a result of her hard working she is able to make a bid on a building so she can have the restaurant she always wanted... but she's shooed away from this by the seller for no particular stated reason (though worse, it's heavily implied to be because of outright racism/discrimination).
** Then she has a HopeSpot when Charlotte decides to hire her for her party and she meets Frog!Naveen who offers to help her if she kisses him. Instead of this working out, she gets turned into
** Even when they finally get to Mama Odie, they can't be turned back into humans.
** Then just as she's starting to get some romantic feelings for Naveen, the latter [[spoiler:seems to be going to marry Charlotte instead of her.
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** On the other hand, it succeeded at everything else. Its positive reception ''did'' re-established Disney's prominence in the animation industry, and began what many call their "second renaissance" (or the "Lasseter Era") which continued with the roaring successed of ''Disney/WreckItRalph'' and especially ''Disney/{{Frozen}}''. Tiana, being the first Franchise/DisneyPrincess since ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' twelve years prior, helped kick off a successful revival of princess movies which returned with a vengeance (in [[WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}} more ways than one]]) proper with ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' a year later.
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** On the other hand, it succeeded at everything else. Its positive reception ''did'' re-established re-establish Disney's prominence in the animation industry, and began what many call their "second renaissance" (or the "Lasseter Era") which continued with the roaring successed successes of ''Disney/WreckItRalph'' and especially ''Disney/{{Frozen}}''. Tiana, being the first Franchise/DisneyPrincess since ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' twelve years prior, helped kick off a successful revival of princess movies which returned with a vengeance (in [[WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}} more ways than one]]) proper with ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' a year later.
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** Did the Fenners really met someone willing to outbid Tiana? If the lied about that, was it out of racism or were they hoping Charlotte would help her to cover the offer?
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** Did the Fenners really met meet someone willing to outbid Tiana? If the they lied about that, was it out of racism or were they hoping Charlotte would help her to cover the offer?
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** On the one hand, Disney banked on this film to decide if they could continue producing hand-drawn animated features in an era dominated by [=CGI=]. While it received glowing reviews, it wound up getting released during [[DuelingMovies a crowded movie season]] against ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' and (of all things) ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks: The Squeakquel'', humbling it's financial success (it's intake, along with licensed merchandise, was closer to that of ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'' or ''Disney/MeetTheRobinsons'' than any of their "renaissance" films, meaning it did ''okay''). As a result, John Lasseter's "every other movie is 2D" plan got off on a bad start and, after similar results with ''Disney/WinnieThePooh'', flopped outright.
** On the other hand, it succeeded at everything else. It's positive reception ''did'' re-established Disney's prominence in the animation industry, and began what many call their "second renaissance" (or the "Lasseter Era") which continued with the roaring successed of ''Disney/WreckItRalph'' and especially ''Disney/{{Frozen}}''. Tiana, being the first Franchise/DisneyPrincess since ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' twelve years prior, helped kick off a successful revival of princess movies which returned with a vengeance (in [[WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}} more ways than one]]) proper with ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' a year later.
** On the other hand, it succeeded at everything else. It's positive reception ''did'' re-established Disney's prominence in the animation industry, and began what many call their "second renaissance" (or the "Lasseter Era") which continued with the roaring successed of ''Disney/WreckItRalph'' and especially ''Disney/{{Frozen}}''. Tiana, being the first Franchise/DisneyPrincess since ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' twelve years prior, helped kick off a successful revival of princess movies which returned with a vengeance (in [[WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}} more ways than one]]) proper with ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' a year later.
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** On the one hand, Disney banked on this film to decide if they could continue producing hand-drawn animated features in an era dominated by [=CGI=]. While it received glowing reviews, it wound up getting released during [[DuelingMovies a crowded movie season]] against ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' and (of all things) ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks: The Squeakquel'', humbling it's its financial success (it's (its intake, along with licensed merchandise, was closer to that of ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'' or ''Disney/MeetTheRobinsons'' than any of their "renaissance" films, meaning it did ''okay''). As a result, John Lasseter's "every other movie is 2D" plan got off on a bad start and, after similar results with ''Disney/WinnieThePooh'', flopped outright.
** On the other hand, it succeeded at everything else.It's Its positive reception ''did'' re-established Disney's prominence in the animation industry, and began what many call their "second renaissance" (or the "Lasseter Era") which continued with the roaring successed of ''Disney/WreckItRalph'' and especially ''Disney/{{Frozen}}''. Tiana, being the first Franchise/DisneyPrincess since ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' twelve years prior, helped kick off a successful revival of princess movies which returned with a vengeance (in [[WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}} more ways than one]]) proper with ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' a year later.
** On the other hand, it succeeded at everything else.
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* MisaimedFandom: While Lawrence and Dr. Facilier have [[FreudianExcuse understandable reasons]] to feel bitter about their lot, living in the service or shadows of "fat cats in their fancy cars"... some viewers miss the mark about this NOT being an excuse to use magic to try to lie, cheat, steal, trick, and murder their way into money. There are not a few that go so far as to say they should have completely gotten away with their scheme from beginning to end, even though it would have ultimately resulted in destroying the lives of countless people, none of whom would deserve it.
** The fact that Facilier decided to target the nicest rich man in New Orleans, [[NiceToTheWaiter who gives huge tips to the people who work for him]] and treats the black persons working for him with respect in the 1920s, doesn't help his cause. He was also ready to sell the souls of all the people of the town to his Friends of the Other Side in order to enlist their help.
* {{Moe}}: The film's prologue can be seen as pure unfiltered Disney ''moe''.
** The fact that Facilier decided to target the nicest rich man in New Orleans, [[NiceToTheWaiter who gives huge tips to the people who work for him]] and treats the black persons working for him with respect in the 1920s, doesn't help his cause. He was also ready to sell the souls of all the people of the town to his Friends of the Other Side in order to enlist their help.
* {{Moe}}: The film's prologue can be seen as pure unfiltered Disney ''moe''.
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* MisaimedFandom: While Lawrence and Dr. Facilier have [[FreudianExcuse understandable reasons]] to feel bitter about their lot, living in the service or shadows of "fat cats in their fancy cars"... some viewers miss the mark about this NOT being an excuse to use magic to try to lie, cheat, steal, trick, and murder their way into money. There are not a few that go so far as to say they should have completely gotten away with their scheme from beginning to end, even though it would have ultimately resulted in destroying the lives of countless people, none of whom would deserve it.
**it. The fact that Facilier decided to target the nicest rich man in New Orleans, [[NiceToTheWaiter who gives huge tips to the people who work for him]] and treats the black persons working for him with respect in the 1920s, doesn't help his cause. He was also ready to sell the souls of all the people of the town to his Friends of the Other Side in order to enlist their help.
* {{Moe}}: The film's prologue can be seen as pure unfiltered Disney ''moe''.help.
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* {{Moe}}: The film's prologue can be seen as pure unfiltered Disney ''moe''.
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* MoralEventHorizon: When Facilier crossed the line is uncertain, but it's likely [[spoiler: when he offers the souls of all New Orleans to his "Friends" in exchange for their cooperation]]. He takes it a step further ([[LiteralMetaphor liter]][[DontExplainTheJoke ally]]) [[spoiler: when he crushes Ray the firefly with his foot.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: When Facilier crossed the line is uncertain, but it's likely [[spoiler: when he offers the souls MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler:Facilier offering every living soul ofall New Orleans to his "Friends" in exchange for their cooperation]]. He takes cooperation]] is so much worse than his previous evil acts, that it a step further ([[LiteralMetaphor liter]][[DontExplainTheJoke ally]]) [[spoiler: might be considered the moment that makes him irredeemable.
** Or it might be when hecrushes [[spoiler:kills Ray the firefly by crushing him with his foot.]]
** [[spoiler:Facilier offering every living soul of
** Or it might be when he
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* MoralEventHorizon: When Facilier crossed the line is uncertain, but it's likely [[spoiler: when he offers the souls of all New Orleans to his "Friends" in exchange for their cooperation]]. He takes it a step further [[spoiler: when he steps on Ray the firefly.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: When Facilier crossed the line is uncertain, but it's likely [[spoiler: when he offers the souls of all New Orleans to his "Friends" in exchange for their cooperation]]. He takes it a step further ([[LiteralMetaphor liter]][[DontExplainTheJoke ally]]) [[spoiler: when he steps on crushes Ray the firefly.firefly with his foot.]]
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** Dr. Facilier bears a striking resemblance to [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros Waluigi]]. Both are LeanAndMean, mustachioed evildoers who wear mostly purple and [[EnsembleDarkhorse went on to be exposively popular]].
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** Dr. Facilier bears a striking resemblance to [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros Waluigi]]. Both are LeanAndMean, mustachioed evildoers who wear mostly purple and [[EnsembleDarkhorse went on to be exposively popular]].
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** Did the Fenners really met someone willing to outbid Tiana? If the lied about that, was it out of racism or were they hoping Charlotte would help her to cover the offer?
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** Dr. Facilier bears a striking resemblance to [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros Waluigi]]. Both are LeanAndMean, mustachioed evildoers who wear mostly purple and [[EnsembleDarkhorse went on to be exposively popular]].
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** Tiana herself with regards to if she's a good character or not. WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic called her "the best female lead since [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Belle]]." Others like the Blog/UnshavedMouse found her a VanillaProtagonist who suffered from too much PositiveDiscrimination.
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** Tiana herself with regards to if she's a good character or not. WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic called her "the best female lead since [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Belle]]." Others like the Blog/UnshavedMouse found her a VanillaProtagonist FlatCharacter who suffered from too much PositiveDiscrimination.
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* VanillaProtagonist: Tiana for some. With the asshole Naveen as the love interest needing to learn AnAesop, a charismatic villain and entertaining side characters, Tiana mainly falls into a sort of TeamMom role. Her only flaw is that she's a workaholic, so she spends most of the movie ''teaching'' the Aesops rather than learning them. Notably the villain's plot has very little to do with her, making her a bit of a PinBallProtagonist too. The confrontation between her and Facilier is ''the first time'' that they meet in the film.
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* VanillaProtagonist: Tiana for some.Tiana. With the asshole Naveen as the love interest needing to learn AnAesop, a charismatic villain and entertaining side characters, Tiana mainly falls into a sort of TeamMom role. Her only flaw is that she's a workaholic, so she spends most of the movie ''teaching'' the Aesops rather than learning them. Notably the villain's plot has very little to do with her, making her a bit of a PinBallProtagonist too. The confrontation between her and Facilier is ''the first time'' that they meet in the film.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In a previous Disney animated feature, ''Disney/TheLionKing'', Timon once said that the stars in the sky were 'fireflies that were trapped in that big blue-ish, black thing.' [[spoiler: Ray, a firefly in this movie, was killed by Dr. Facilier and turned into a star in the sky.]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: In a previous Disney animated feature, ''Disney/TheLionKing'', Timon once said that the stars in the sky were 'fireflies that were trapped in that big blue-ish, black thing.' [[spoiler: Ray, a firefly in this movie, was killed by Dr. Facilier and turned into a star in the sky.]]
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* CounterpartComparison: Naveen is compared a lot to [[Disney/SaludosAmigos Jose]] [[Disney/TheThreeCaballeros Carioca]], as both are suave, Brazilian-accented[[note]]Naveen is from a fictional country, but has a Brazilian voice actor[[/note]] gentlemen who play a guitar.[[note]]Or an umbrella like a guitar, in the case of Jose.[[/note]]
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** Naveen is compared a lot to [[Disney/SaludosAmigos Jose]] [[Disney/TheThreeCaballeros Carioca]], as both are suave, Brazilian-accented[[note]]Naveen is from a fictional country, but has a Brazilian voice actor[[/note]] gentlemen who play a guitar.[[note]]Or an umbrella like a guitar, in the case of Jose.[[/note]]
** Naveen is compared a lot to [[Disney/SaludosAmigos Jose]] [[Disney/TheThreeCaballeros Carioca]], as both are suave, Brazilian-accented[[note]]Naveen is from a fictional country, but has a Brazilian voice actor[[/note]] gentlemen who play a guitar.[[note]]Or an umbrella like a guitar, in the case of Jose.[[/note]]
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** Louis to [[Disney/TheJungleBook King Louie]], as both are animals who love jazz music and want to become humans, not to mention their similar names.
** Louis, again, to [[WesternAnimation/AllDogsGoToHeaven King Gator]], as both are large, musically talented alligators, living in Louisiana in the early 20th Century.
** Louis, again, to [[WesternAnimation/AllDogsGoToHeaven King Gator]], as both are large, musically talented alligators, living in Louisiana in the early 20th Century.
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** Charlotte "Lottie" [=LaBoeuf=] is obsessed with princesses and dreams of one day becoming a real princess. The British Royal family's newest addition is a princess named Charlotte!
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** Charlotte "Lottie" [=LaBoeuf=] is obsessed with princesses and dreams of one day becoming a real princess. The British Royal family's newest addition Prince William and Kate Middleton's second child is a princess named Charlotte!
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Zigzagged. While Tiana and Naveen definitely get their happy ending, with getting married and opening the restaurant, and Louis gets his happy ending with joining the band, Ray [[spoiler: dies and turns into a star. While he sort of gets to join "Evangeline", stars as we know them are just giant balls of gas, plasma and fire. If the same applies here, then that means that Ray is no longer sentient and therefore he won't know that he's with Evangeline or be able to fly around anymore, and unless he somehow turns back into a live firefly, his friends will never be able to talk to him again (or at least they won't be able to talk to him and have him reply).]]
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Zigzagged. While Tiana and Naveen definitely get their happy ending, with getting married and opening the restaurant, and Louis gets his happy ending with joining the band, Ray [[spoiler: dies and turns into a star. While he sort of gets to join "Evangeline", stars as we know them are just giant balls of gas, plasma and fire. If the same applies here, then that means that Ray is no longer sentient and therefore he won't know that he's with Evangeline or be able to fly around anymore, and unless he somehow turns back into a live firefly, his friends will never be able to talk to him again (or at least they won't be able to talk to him and have him reply).]]
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** On the one hand, Disney banked on this film to decide if they could continue producing hand-drawn animated features in an era dominated by [=CGI=]. While it received glowing reviews, it wound up getting released during [[DuelingMovies a crowded movie season]] against ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' and (of all things) ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks: The Squeakquel'', humbling it's financial success (it's intake, along with licensed merchandise, was closer to that of ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'' or ''Disney/MeetTheRobinsons'' than any of their "renaissance" films, meaning it did ''okay''). As a result, John Lasseter's "every other movie is 2D" plan got off on a bad start and, after similar results with ''Disney/WinnieThePooh'', flopped outright.
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** On the one hand, Disney banked on this film to decide if they could continue producing hand-drawn animated features in an era dominated by [=CGI=]. While it received glowing reviews, it wound up getting released during [[DuelingMovies a crowded movie season]] against ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009'' and (of all things) ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks: The Squeakquel'', humbling it's financial success (it's intake, along with licensed merchandise, was closer to that of ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'' or ''Disney/MeetTheRobinsons'' than any of their "renaissance" films, meaning it did ''okay''). As a result, John Lasseter's "every other movie is 2D" plan got off on a bad start and, after similar results with ''Disney/WinnieThePooh'', flopped outright.
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** Lottie can be compared to Lettie from ''AnimatedFilm/HowlsMovingCastle''. Both are bubbly, cheerful girls who have modest, hardworking foils in the forms of Tiana and Sophie, respectively.
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** Lottie can be compared to Lettie from ''AnimatedFilm/HowlsMovingCastle''.''Anime/HowlsMovingCastle''. Both are bubbly, cheerful girls who have modest, hardworking foils in the forms of Tiana and Sophie, respectively.
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* ClicheStorm: Yes and no. It harkens back to the traditions of the Disney Renaissance (spunky princess, stylized fairytales, comic relief characters), but is conservative in it's use of cliches that could be associated with all of the things this movie is (first traditionally animated Disney movie in five years, first American princess, first Black princess, first explicitly 20th century period piece).
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* ClicheStorm: Yes and no. It harkens back to the traditions of the Disney Renaissance (spunky princess, stylized fairytales, comic relief characters), but is conservative in it's its use of cliches that could be associated with all of the things this movie is (first traditionally animated Disney movie in five years, first American princess, first Black princess, first explicitly 20th century period piece).
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*** This could actually fit really well...some of the Loa are known for helping the hard-working underdogs of society against the "rich fat cats." When Facilier takes advantage of Naveen, Charlotte and Big Daddy, it's probably okay with them, but when he starts picking on ''Tiana'', it becomes a whole different story. (And once [[spoiler:Naveen makes the choice to get a job to help her, he becomes an underdog as well...)]] No ''wonder'' the Friends don't listen to Facilier's attempts to placate them after [[spoiler:Tiana breaks the necklace!]]
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*** This could actually fit really well... some of the Loa are known for helping the hard-working underdogs of society against the "rich fat cats." When Facilier takes advantage of Naveen, Charlotte and Big Daddy, it's probably okay with them, but when he starts picking on ''Tiana'', it becomes a whole different story. (And once [[spoiler:Naveen makes the choice to get a job to help her, he becomes an underdog as well...)]] No ''wonder'' the Friends don't listen to Facilier's attempts to placate them after [[spoiler:Tiana breaks the necklace!]]
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** When Facilier shows Naveen his future and changes around the images on his cards, three roman numerals appear at the top: "IV" shows Naveen as a royal, "XVI" shows Naveen in front of a tower with his pockets turned out, and "IX" shows Naveen with a bride and her father with treasure around them. In the Tarot, the fourth Major Arcana card is "The Emperor", representing power and control, the sixteenth is "The Tower", representing a sudden crisis or disaster, and realizations of falsehoods, and the Minor Arcana card "Nine of Coins" refers to someone who has achieved fortune through hard work. Lawrence's card, meanwhile, shows an "X", representing the tenth Major Arcana card "The Wheel of Fortune", foretelling a sudden change of luck and fate.
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** When Facilier shows Naveen his future and changes around the images on his cards, three roman numerals appear at the top: "IV" shows Naveen as a royal, "XVI" shows Naveen in front of a tower with his pockets turned out, and "IX" shows Naveen with a bride and her father with treasure around them. In the Tarot, the fourth Major Arcana card is "The Emperor", representing power and control, the sixteenth card is "The Tower", representing a sudden crisis or disaster, and realizations of falsehoods, and the Minor Arcana card "Nine of Coins" Coins/Pentacles" refers to someone who has achieved fortune through hard work. Lawrence's card, meanwhile, shows an "X", representing is the tenth Ten of Wands [[note]]It's depicted in the Rider-Waite deck, a typical deck for other decks to be based on, as a man carrying a bundle of sticks.[[/note]], which portrays an over-burdened person.
*** The XV card (Naveen with two beauties on either side) is the Devil (Naveen making a deal with a devil-like figure for the pursuit of material gains. The card that Facilier hands him as he sings "It's the green that I see" in Naveen's future looks like it's marked 0, the traditional number for the Fool - the very first card of the Deck, which signifies a new beginning and adventure.
*** Given that it's magic, Facilier's deck isn't very consistent with depicting the MajorArcana and Minor Arcanas. Decks usually use Roman numbers for majors and spelled-out numbers for minors, but the IX card "The Wheel (interpreted above as the Nine of Fortune", foretelling Pentacles) in a sudden change of luck and fate.typical deck would be The Hermit, which doesn't fit Naveen's journey at all.
*** The XV card (Naveen with two beauties on either side) is the Devil (Naveen making a deal with a devil-like figure for the pursuit of material gains. The card that Facilier hands him as he sings "It's the green that I see" in Naveen's future looks like it's marked 0, the traditional number for the Fool - the very first card of the Deck, which signifies a new beginning and adventure.
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** One of the stipends of Voodoo Magic is that you cannot actually cast magic on yourself, only on others, such as Facillier does with Lawrence and Mama Odie demonstrates with Juju. Another is that the power is not yours, but borrowed or traded for, making it genuinely dangerous to fall into debt. Facillier falls into debt in his use of power, while Mama Odie is much more restrained in how she uses magic, only using it sparingly.
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* MinorityShowGhetto: Not to paint too broad a brush, but there are viewers who felt that, while racism may not have been ''the'' reason the film suffered financially, it was definetly ''a'' reason. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Let's just leave it at that.]]
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* MinorityShowGhetto: Not to paint too broad a brush, but there are viewers who felt that, while racism may not have been ''the'' reason the film suffered financially, it was definetly definitely ''a'' reason. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Let's just leave it at that.]]
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: DougWalker thinks another reason for the film not doing well, is due to many people's opinions that hand-drawn animation = kid's movie, while CGI animated films have been more accepted by adults.
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: DougWalker Creator/DougWalker thinks another reason for the film not doing well, is due to many people's opinions that hand-drawn animation = kid's movie, while CGI animated films have been more accepted by adults.
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*** Also from Ray: "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LIKT414Tg Gonna Take You There]]". It was short but very catchy.
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*** Also from Ray: "[[http://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LIKT414Tg com/watch?v=K3mDfFe1nuE Gonna Take You There]]". It was short but very catchy.
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** In ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', Frollo [[EnsembleDarkhorse (who rivals Facilier as]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular Disney villains)]] dies by falling into a river of molten copper, [[RuleOfSymbolism symbolically]] [[TemptingFate being plunged into the fiery pit]]. In this film, [[spoiler: Facilier is pulled kicking and screaming by the Voodoo spirits into the underworld. In other words, he is '''literally''' being ''dragged into hell''.]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are the Friends on the Other Side [[spoiler:legitimately evil or actually a case of DarkIsNotEvil, orchestrating a massive BatmanGambit for the main character’s good and give Facilier what’s coming to him]]?
** This could actually fit really well...some of the Loa are known for helping the hard-working underdogs of society against the "rich fat cats." When Facilier takes advantage of Naveen, Charlotte and Big Daddy, it's probably okay with them, but when he starts picking on ''Tiana'', it becomes a whole different story. (And once [[spoiler:Naveen makes the choice to get a job to help her, he becomes an underdog as well...)]] No ''wonder'' the Friends don't listen to Facilier's attempts to placate them after [[spoiler:Tiana breaks the necklace!]]
** This could actually fit really well...some of the Loa are known for helping the hard-working underdogs of society against the "rich fat cats." When Facilier takes advantage of Naveen, Charlotte and Big Daddy, it's probably okay with them, but when he starts picking on ''Tiana'', it becomes a whole different story. (And once [[spoiler:Naveen makes the choice to get a job to help her, he becomes an underdog as well...)]] No ''wonder'' the Friends don't listen to Facilier's attempts to placate them after [[spoiler:Tiana breaks the necklace!]]
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** Are the Friends on the Other Side [[spoiler:legitimately evil or actually a case of DarkIsNotEvil, orchestrating a massive BatmanGambit for the main character’s good and give Facilier what’s coming to him]]?
** *** This could actually fit really well...some of the Loa are known for helping the hard-working underdogs of society against the "rich fat cats." When Facilier takes advantage of Naveen, Charlotte and Big Daddy, it's probably okay with them, but when he starts picking on ''Tiana'', it becomes a whole different story. (And once [[spoiler:Naveen makes the choice to get a job to help her, he becomes an underdog as well...)]] No ''wonder'' the Friends don't listen to Facilier's attempts to placate them after [[spoiler:Tiana breaks the necklace!]]necklace!]]
** Did Charlotte overpay Tiana for the beignets because she's a reckless spendthrift or because she wanted to help Tiana and knew her friend wouldn't accept handouts?
** Are the Friends on the Other Side [[spoiler:legitimately evil or actually a case of DarkIsNotEvil, orchestrating a massive BatmanGambit for the main character’s good and give Facilier what’s coming to him]]?
** Did Charlotte overpay Tiana for the beignets because she's a reckless spendthrift or because she wanted to help Tiana and knew her friend wouldn't accept handouts?
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** Lottie can be compared to Lettie from ''AnimatedFilm/HowlsMovingCastle''. Both are bubbly, cheerful girls who have modest, hardworking foils in the forms of Tiana and Sophie, respectively.
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* AcceptableTargets:
** The hillbilly frog hunters are presented as villainous versions of Film/TheThreeStooges. Laugh at their stupidity.
** The Cajun fireflies are stereotyped with missing teeth and being "simple". Ray's subplot makes him look like a {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, though the whole thing is about him being a firefly and has nothing to do with his ethnic group. And of course, [[TheCuckoolanderWasRight that worked out for him in the end.]]
** Averted with most of the white characters. They're noticeably wealthier and more privileged than Tiana and her family, but they're not depicted as arrogant. Hell, Charlotte is a better friend to Tiana than her nameless black friends in the beginning.
* AccidentalAesop: The movie simultaneously tries to shoot for "don't neglect your personal life for a goal" and "what you want isn't always what you need." However, Tiana simply doesn't ''want'' Naveen badly enough to feel her heart torn over him until quite late in the movie, and when she does, she's only briefly conflicted. Dr. Facilier offering her her dream on a platter is far more tempting. Thus, a fair moral would be "wants are powerful, important things, and there will be times when you're painfully torn over what you want in life. You may or may not be able to have both, but the main thing is that you don't step on anyone else to get there."
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are the Friends on the Other Side [[spoiler:legitimately evil or actually a case of DarkIsNotEvil, orchestrating a massive BatmanGambit for the main character’s good and give Facilier what’s coming to him]]?
** This could actually fit really well...some of the Loa are known for helping the hard-working underdogs of society against the "rich fat cats." When Facilier takes advantage of Naveen, Charlotte and Big Daddy, it's probably okay with them, but when he starts picking on ''Tiana'', it becomes a whole different story. (And once [[spoiler:Naveen makes the choice to get a job to help her, he becomes an underdog as well...)]] No ''wonder'' the Friends don't listen to Facilier's attempts to placate them after [[spoiler:Tiana breaks the necklace!]]
* AnimationAgeGhetto: DougWalker thinks another reason for the film not doing well, is due to many people's opinions that hand-drawn animation = kid's movie, while CGI animated films have been more accepted by adults.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Tiana herself is a walking anvil with the message "remember to work hard". She drops the anvil practically every ten minutes into the movie. Then she herself is hit with a countering anvil; no, Tiana, "Dig a little deeper" does not mean that you work even harder than you already are. The whole song is about countering it, that sometimes you need to look past what you want to understand what's important.
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Tiana herself with regards to if she's a good character or not. WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic called her "the best female lead since [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Belle]]." Others like the Blog/UnshavedMouse found her a VanillaProtagonist who suffered from too much PositiveDiscrimination.
** The poachers. Their existence is foreshadowed, but they still feel disconnected from the rest of the story and contribute little to nothing to the overall plot. It boils down to either a few minutes of gratuitous slapstick, or the scene that made Naveen realise that Tiana wasn't a complete stick in the mud, and made them like each other more.
** Ray, depending on who you ask, is either an obnoxious stereotype or a fun and helpful character.
* BrokenBase:
** Back in 2006, [[http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17462&hilit Disney fans were not happy]] when it was announced that Music/RandyNewman would be replacing Music/AlanMenken as the composer of the film. After the film was released, the reaction was more mixed. Some thought that Newman's jazzy tunes fit the movie's setting very well, others still wish that Menken had stayed to produce the less generic songs he's known for.
** [[spoiler: Ray's death. There seem to be accounts of movie audiences [[TearJerker breaking down sobbing]] or [[{{Narm}} breaking down laughing]] or saying that it was too dark in equal numbers.]]
** Some viewers feel that the film should have been a more realistic (or at least less optimistic) depiction of the Jim Crow-era American south, saying that, while not ''quite'' PoliticallyCorrectHistory, it's too much of a fairy tale depiction to take seriously. Of corse, other viewers are quick to point out that it's ''supposed'' to be a fairy tale.
** Whether or not the "work hard to achieve your dreams" is an [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped anvil that needed to be dropped]] or a [[DeadUnicornTrope dead unicorn Aesop]]. The former argues that the entire Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise required it since the earlier princesses were passive Distressed Damsels who got saved by handsome princes and whisked off to better lives. The latter argues that the earlier princesses had gone through their own struggles (as the classic three had grown up in poverty prior to becoming royalty) and still had to earn their happy endings too.
* CargoShip: Ray the firefly and Evangeline the evening star [[spoiler: until Ray dies and [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence becomes a star next to Evangeline]]]].
* ClicheStorm: Yes and no. It harkens back to the traditions of the Disney Renaissance (spunky princess, stylized fairytales, comic relief characters), but is conservative in it's use of cliches that could be associated with all of the things this movie is (first traditionally animated Disney movie in five years, first American princess, first Black princess, first explicitly 20th century period piece).
* CounterpartComparison: Naveen is compared a lot to [[Disney/SaludosAmigos Jose]] [[Disney/TheThreeCaballeros Carioca]], as both are suave, Brazilian-accented[[note]]Naveen is from a fictional country, but has a Brazilian voice actor[[/note]] gentlemen who play a guitar.[[note]]Or an umbrella like a guitar, in the case of Jose.[[/note]]
* CrossoverShip: [[WesternAnimation/TheSwanPrincess Odette]]/Dr. Facilier seems to be pretty popular. Understandable, seeing how her [[BalefulPolymorph backstory]] is similar to what Facilier does to the main characters.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Lots of jazz and zydeco (a seldom-represented genre in movies), befitting the New Orleans setting. Courtesy of Music/RandyNewman, no less!
* DracoInLeatherPants: Dr. Facilier. "He was very charismatic!"
* EarWorm:
** It's hard to pick one with such a good soundtrack, but "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4pStVNQc4M Friends On the Other Side]]", "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJAUe_RX4 When We're Human]]", and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjfFiWutOu0 both]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28ZJwW1KIg versions]] of "Down in New Orleans" get particular mention.
** "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DectIkcKRY Dig A Little Deeper]]"! Mama Odie's voice actress was even backed up by a ''real church chorus''.
** "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nCCqHO17bA Ma Belle Evangeline]]". The song is so heartwarming and sweet!
*** Also from Ray: "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LIKT414Tg Gonna Take You There]]". It was short but very catchy.
*** Especially when linked with good memories; this song was played daily from the Mark Twain Riverboat at Disneyland, at least during November '09, making it a permanent reminder of Disneyland.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: The fandom absolutely ''loves'' Charlotte, probably due to her [[SpoiledSweet sweet nature]], loyalty to Tiana, and subverting [[SpoiledBrat everything]] [[RichBitch you'd]] [[ItsAllAboutMe expect]] from a beautiful rich girl.
* EvilIsCool: [[RuleOfThree Again]], Dr. Facilier.
* EvilIsSexy: Facilier is this according to the fangirls (and [[EvenTheGuysWantHim some fanboys]]). Well, what did you expect? Creator/KeithDavid is voicing him.
* GeniusBonus:
** When Facilier shows Naveen his future and changes around the images on his cards, three roman numerals appear at the top: "IV" shows Naveen as a royal, "XVI" shows Naveen in front of a tower with his pockets turned out, and "IX" shows Naveen with a bride and her father with treasure around them. In the Tarot, the fourth Major Arcana card is "The Emperor", representing power and control, the sixteenth is "The Tower", representing a sudden crisis or disaster, and realizations of falsehoods, and the Minor Arcana card "Nine of Coins" refers to someone who has achieved fortune through hard work. Lawrence's card, meanwhile, shows an "X", representing the tenth Major Arcana card "The Wheel of Fortune", foretelling a sudden change of luck and fate.
** Ray's lover, "Evangeline", is a reference to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's epic poem of the same name, which chronicled the expulsion of the French-speaking Acadian (Cajun) people from Eastern Canada before their migration to Louisiana. The poem is widely considered the unofficial national epic of the Cajun people, so it's quite fitting that the ''very'' Cajun firefly Ray would fall for a woman of that name.
* GirlShowGhetto: The movie did okay at the box office for Disney, but not nearly as good as their previous animated films. Disney determined that this trope was the reason and was rumored to [[http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/21/entertainment/la-et-1121-tangled-20101121 completely shut down adapting fairy tales into movies]]. For ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'s'' marketing, they completely downplayed the fairy tale-ness of the movie, [[http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/09/business/la-fi-ct-disney9-2010mar09 put the male hero character front and center, and marketed like a Dreamworks comedy film.]] The advertising brought a whole lot of backlash, but in the end it paid off as ''Tangled'' more than doubled what ''Frog'' did; Disney took the same tact with the formerly-named ''The Snow Queen'', rechristening it ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' and giving it a similar marketing strategy as ''Tangled'', right down to using the same music for its TV spots as the other film.
** It's funny when you realize that arguably, ''The Princess and the Frog'' is among the least-girly Princess movies, alongside ''{{Disney/Mulan}}'' and ''{{Disney/Pocahontas}}'' - it features a ''very'' menacing villain, a roadtrip, slapstick, strong leads that aren't romantically interested in eachother at all at first... In comparison, ''Tangled'' is a girlier movie, with less peril, less NightmareFuel and more "princess"-stuff.
* HarsherInHindsight: In a previous Disney animated feature, ''Disney/TheLionKing'', Timon once said that the stars in the sky were 'fireflies that were trapped in that big blue-ish, black thing.' [[spoiler: Ray, a firefly in this movie, was killed by Dr. Facilier and turned into a star in the sky.]]
* HilariousInHindsight:
** A while ago, some guy named Creator/TerryPratchett wrote a novel called ''Discworld/WitchesAbroad'', whose third act was set in a fusion of the '''Disney's''' Magic Kingdom and '''New Orleans''', the plot of which involves voodoo and [[spoiler:a prince who's really a frog]]...
** In ''Film/TheThing1982'', Creator/KeithDavid's character calls out the others for believing in "voodoo bullshit". In this film, he plays a voodoo doctor.
** Tiana and Lottie are a black woman and a white woman (respectively) living in the racially discriminated time period but are very close friends. Awfully similar to Minny and Miss Celia from ''Film/TheHelp'', huh? Bonus points for Lottie having short, curly blonde hair, a liking for the color pink, and a thick Southern accent.
** Charlotte "Lottie" [=LaBoeuf=] is obsessed with princesses and dreams of one day becoming a real princess. The British Royal family's newest addition is a princess named Charlotte!
* InverseLawOfUtilityAndLethality: You'd think that between the two comic effect characters, the giant alligator and the firefly, you know which one would be the combatant. You'd be wrong. When fighting shadow monsters, a firefly is quite effective, and Louis is useless at all of the physical threats that come up.
* JustHereForGodzilla: A lot of people's appeal for the film comes less from the plot and characterization (which, while not outright terrible, are considered somewhat lackluster by some compared to other Disney films) and more from it being traditionally animated in an era in which those kinds of films are so rare.
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: [[spoiler: Yeah, like Disney is going to kill off the lovable animal sideki--[[SubvertedTrope wait, what?]] ''[[TearJerker What?!]]'']]
* LoveToHate: Dr. Facilier.
* MinorityShowGhetto: Not to paint too broad a brush, but there are viewers who felt that, while racism may not have been ''the'' reason the film suffered financially, it was definetly ''a'' reason. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Let's just leave it at that.]]
* MisaimedFandom: While Lawrence and Dr. Facilier have [[FreudianExcuse understandable reasons]] to feel bitter about their lot, living in the service or shadows of "fat cats in their fancy cars"... some viewers miss the mark about this NOT being an excuse to use magic to try to lie, cheat, steal, trick, and murder their way into money. There are not a few that go so far as to say they should have completely gotten away with their scheme from beginning to end, even though it would have ultimately resulted in destroying the lives of countless people, none of whom would deserve it.
** The fact that Facilier decided to target the nicest rich man in New Orleans, [[NiceToTheWaiter who gives huge tips to the people who work for him]] and treats the black persons working for him with respect in the 1920s, doesn't help his cause. He was also ready to sell the souls of all the people of the town to his Friends of the Other Side in order to enlist their help.
* {{Moe}}: The film's prologue can be seen as pure unfiltered Disney ''moe''.
* MoralEventHorizon: When Facilier crossed the line is uncertain, but it's likely [[spoiler: when he offers the souls of all New Orleans to his "Friends" in exchange for their cooperation]]. He takes it a step further [[spoiler: when he steps on Ray the firefly.]]
* {{Narm}}: [[spoiler: Ray's death is either one of Disney's biggest and most shocking [[TearJerker Tear Jerkers]] or it's so hammered in and over the top that it becomes hilarious.]]
* NarmCharm: It's almost too easy, to the point of cliché, that [[spoiler: Ray ends up as a star alongside Evangeline. And yet... it's sweet, and it's fitting, and it works.]]
** [[spoiler: During the "Ma Belle Evangeline" dance, when Ray sings "Look how she lights up the sky", and Naveen looks to Tiana and sees a very cartoony sparkle in her eyes. And yet, it's just too adorable a moment to feel awkward.]]
* OneSceneWonder:
** Mama Odie has about 15 minutes of screen time, but steals the show when she first appears.
** To a lesser extent, the hillbilly frog hunters.
* PainfulRhyme: "Down in New Orleans" is packed with them. "We got magic, good and bad/Make you happy or make you real sad" is particularly cringe-worthy.
* RetroactiveRecognition: One of Naveen's animators is [[WesternAnimation/RegularShow Benson]].
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Working hard is important, but so is love. Neglecting your personal life just to work hard is going to leave you unhappy.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Tiana’s friends at the beginning, who complain about her working all the time instead of having fun on occasion, are portrayed as insensitive, but let’s be honest--consistently excluding oneself from social activities with one’s friends does tend to put a dent in one’s relationship with them. The film seems to take their side on this when Tiana learns her Aesop, though the friends aren't seen again.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Lawrence could have been a much more interesting character if he had received more development. When Facilier shows him his tarot readings, we learn that he has a pretty decent FreudianExcuse for his back-stabbing, as he was pushed around by everyone in his life, including his family and the prince. And in one scene after that, [[NobleDemon he actually offers to give his amulet back to Facilier and not go through with his plan]]. But none of that comes up again after those scenes, after which he passively goes along with Facilier.
** Dr. Facilier's issues with his Friends on the Other Side would have made a perfectly good story on their own. Dr. Facilier is basically Disney's version of Dr. Faustus. He had unimaginable demonic power at his fingertips, and all he could think to do was [[spoiler: scam a butler and get some money. When his debt is finally called in, he begs for "just a little more time."]] Indeed, one of the movie's most prominent criticisms is that the villain was underplayed.
** In the same sense, Facilier's personal LivingShadow minion turned out to be a conceptually impressive hit, which makes it a big shame that in the movie proper, the Shadow ends up doing little more than acting as an extra pair of hands.
* UglyCute: Ray, oh so much.
* VanillaProtagonist: Tiana for some. With the asshole Naveen as the love interest needing to learn AnAesop, a charismatic villain and entertaining side characters, Tiana mainly falls into a sort of TeamMom role. Her only flaw is that she's a workaholic, so she spends most of the movie ''teaching'' the Aesops rather than learning them. Notably the villain's plot has very little to do with her, making her a bit of a PinBallProtagonist too. The confrontation between her and Facilier is ''the first time'' that they meet in the film.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Zig-zagged, in that it won ''a'' crowd, but not necessarily the intended crowd.
** On the one hand, Disney banked on this film to decide if they could continue producing hand-drawn animated features in an era dominated by [=CGI=]. While it received glowing reviews, it wound up getting released during [[DuelingMovies a crowded movie season]] against ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' and (of all things) ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks: The Squeakquel'', humbling it's financial success (it's intake, along with licensed merchandise, was closer to that of ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'' or ''Disney/MeetTheRobinsons'' than any of their "renaissance" films, meaning it did ''okay''). As a result, John Lasseter's "every other movie is 2D" plan got off on a bad start and, after similar results with ''Disney/WinnieThePooh'', flopped outright.
** On the other hand, it succeeded at everything else. It's positive reception ''did'' re-established Disney's prominence in the animation industry, and began what many call their "second renaissance" (or the "Lasseter Era") which continued with the roaring successed of ''Disney/WreckItRalph'' and especially ''Disney/{{Frozen}}''. Tiana, being the first Franchise/DisneyPrincess since ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' twelve years prior, helped kick off a successful revival of princess movies which returned with a vengeance (in [[WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}} more ways than one]]) proper with ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' a year later.
* TheWoobie: Tiana, especially when she was [[spoiler:misled into thinking Prince Naveen was going to marry Charlotte instead of her. Poor Tiana.]]
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* AcceptableTargets:
** The hillbilly frog hunters are presented as villainous versions of Film/TheThreeStooges. Laugh at their stupidity.
** The Cajun fireflies are stereotyped with missing teeth and being "simple". Ray's subplot makes him look like a {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, though the whole thing is about him being a firefly and has nothing to do with his ethnic group. And of course, [[TheCuckoolanderWasRight that worked out for him in the end.]]
** Averted with most of the white characters. They're noticeably wealthier and more privileged than Tiana and her family, but they're not depicted as arrogant. Hell, Charlotte is a better friend to Tiana than her nameless black friends in the beginning.
* AccidentalAesop: The movie simultaneously tries to shoot for "don't neglect your personal life for a goal" and "what you want isn't always what you need." However, Tiana simply doesn't ''want'' Naveen badly enough to feel her heart torn over him until quite late in the movie, and when she does, she's only briefly conflicted. Dr. Facilier offering her her dream on a platter is far more tempting. Thus, a fair moral would be "wants are powerful, important things, and there will be times when you're painfully torn over what you want in life. You may or may not be able to have both, but the main thing is that you don't step on anyone else to get there."
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are the Friends on the Other Side [[spoiler:legitimately evil or actually a case of DarkIsNotEvil, orchestrating a massive BatmanGambit for the main character’s good and give Facilier what’s coming to him]]?
** This could actually fit really well...some of the Loa are known for helping the hard-working underdogs of society against the "rich fat cats." When Facilier takes advantage of Naveen, Charlotte and Big Daddy, it's probably okay with them, but when he starts picking on ''Tiana'', it becomes a whole different story. (And once [[spoiler:Naveen makes the choice to get a job to help her, he becomes an underdog as well...)]] No ''wonder'' the Friends don't listen to Facilier's attempts to placate them after [[spoiler:Tiana breaks the necklace!]]
* AnimationAgeGhetto: DougWalker thinks another reason for the film not doing well, is due to many people's opinions that hand-drawn animation = kid's movie, while CGI animated films have been more accepted by adults.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Tiana herself is a walking anvil with the message "remember to work hard". She drops the anvil practically every ten minutes into the movie. Then she herself is hit with a countering anvil; no, Tiana, "Dig a little deeper" does not mean that you work even harder than you already are. The whole song is about countering it, that sometimes you need to look past what you want to understand what's important.
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Tiana herself with regards to if she's a good character or not. WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic called her "the best female lead since [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Belle]]." Others like the Blog/UnshavedMouse found her a VanillaProtagonist who suffered from too much PositiveDiscrimination.
** The poachers. Their existence is foreshadowed, but they still feel disconnected from the rest of the story and contribute little to nothing to the overall plot. It boils down to either a few minutes of gratuitous slapstick, or the scene that made Naveen realise that Tiana wasn't a complete stick in the mud, and made them like each other more.
** Ray, depending on who you ask, is either an obnoxious stereotype or a fun and helpful character.
* BrokenBase:
** Back in 2006, [[http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17462&hilit Disney fans were not happy]] when it was announced that Music/RandyNewman would be replacing Music/AlanMenken as the composer of the film. After the film was released, the reaction was more mixed. Some thought that Newman's jazzy tunes fit the movie's setting very well, others still wish that Menken had stayed to produce the less generic songs he's known for.
** [[spoiler: Ray's death. There seem to be accounts of movie audiences [[TearJerker breaking down sobbing]] or [[{{Narm}} breaking down laughing]] or saying that it was too dark in equal numbers.]]
** Some viewers feel that the film should have been a more realistic (or at least less optimistic) depiction of the Jim Crow-era American south, saying that, while not ''quite'' PoliticallyCorrectHistory, it's too much of a fairy tale depiction to take seriously. Of corse, other viewers are quick to point out that it's ''supposed'' to be a fairy tale.
** Whether or not the "work hard to achieve your dreams" is an [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped anvil that needed to be dropped]] or a [[DeadUnicornTrope dead unicorn Aesop]]. The former argues that the entire Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise required it since the earlier princesses were passive Distressed Damsels who got saved by handsome princes and whisked off to better lives. The latter argues that the earlier princesses had gone through their own struggles (as the classic three had grown up in poverty prior to becoming royalty) and still had to earn their happy endings too.
* CargoShip: Ray the firefly and Evangeline the evening star [[spoiler: until Ray dies and [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence becomes a star next to Evangeline]]]].
* ClicheStorm: Yes and no. It harkens back to the traditions of the Disney Renaissance (spunky princess, stylized fairytales, comic relief characters), but is conservative in it's use of cliches that could be associated with all of the things this movie is (first traditionally animated Disney movie in five years, first American princess, first Black princess, first explicitly 20th century period piece).
* CounterpartComparison: Naveen is compared a lot to [[Disney/SaludosAmigos Jose]] [[Disney/TheThreeCaballeros Carioca]], as both are suave, Brazilian-accented[[note]]Naveen is from a fictional country, but has a Brazilian voice actor[[/note]] gentlemen who play a guitar.[[note]]Or an umbrella like a guitar, in the case of Jose.[[/note]]
* CrossoverShip: [[WesternAnimation/TheSwanPrincess Odette]]/Dr. Facilier seems to be pretty popular. Understandable, seeing how her [[BalefulPolymorph backstory]] is similar to what Facilier does to the main characters.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Lots of jazz and zydeco (a seldom-represented genre in movies), befitting the New Orleans setting. Courtesy of Music/RandyNewman, no less!
* DracoInLeatherPants: Dr. Facilier. "He was very charismatic!"
* EarWorm:
** It's hard to pick one with such a good soundtrack, but "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4pStVNQc4M Friends On the Other Side]]", "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJAUe_RX4 When We're Human]]", and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjfFiWutOu0 both]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28ZJwW1KIg versions]] of "Down in New Orleans" get particular mention.
** "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DectIkcKRY Dig A Little Deeper]]"! Mama Odie's voice actress was even backed up by a ''real church chorus''.
** "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nCCqHO17bA Ma Belle Evangeline]]". The song is so heartwarming and sweet!
*** Also from Ray: "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LIKT414Tg Gonna Take You There]]". It was short but very catchy.
*** Especially when linked with good memories; this song was played daily from the Mark Twain Riverboat at Disneyland, at least during November '09, making it a permanent reminder of Disneyland.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: The fandom absolutely ''loves'' Charlotte, probably due to her [[SpoiledSweet sweet nature]], loyalty to Tiana, and subverting [[SpoiledBrat everything]] [[RichBitch you'd]] [[ItsAllAboutMe expect]] from a beautiful rich girl.
* EvilIsCool: [[RuleOfThree Again]], Dr. Facilier.
* EvilIsSexy: Facilier is this according to the fangirls (and [[EvenTheGuysWantHim some fanboys]]). Well, what did you expect? Creator/KeithDavid is voicing him.
* GeniusBonus:
** When Facilier shows Naveen his future and changes around the images on his cards, three roman numerals appear at the top: "IV" shows Naveen as a royal, "XVI" shows Naveen in front of a tower with his pockets turned out, and "IX" shows Naveen with a bride and her father with treasure around them. In the Tarot, the fourth Major Arcana card is "The Emperor", representing power and control, the sixteenth is "The Tower", representing a sudden crisis or disaster, and realizations of falsehoods, and the Minor Arcana card "Nine of Coins" refers to someone who has achieved fortune through hard work. Lawrence's card, meanwhile, shows an "X", representing the tenth Major Arcana card "The Wheel of Fortune", foretelling a sudden change of luck and fate.
** Ray's lover, "Evangeline", is a reference to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's epic poem of the same name, which chronicled the expulsion of the French-speaking Acadian (Cajun) people from Eastern Canada before their migration to Louisiana. The poem is widely considered the unofficial national epic of the Cajun people, so it's quite fitting that the ''very'' Cajun firefly Ray would fall for a woman of that name.
* GirlShowGhetto: The movie did okay at the box office for Disney, but not nearly as good as their previous animated films. Disney determined that this trope was the reason and was rumored to [[http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/21/entertainment/la-et-1121-tangled-20101121 completely shut down adapting fairy tales into movies]]. For ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'s'' marketing, they completely downplayed the fairy tale-ness of the movie, [[http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/09/business/la-fi-ct-disney9-2010mar09 put the male hero character front and center, and marketed like a Dreamworks comedy film.]] The advertising brought a whole lot of backlash, but in the end it paid off as ''Tangled'' more than doubled what ''Frog'' did; Disney took the same tact with the formerly-named ''The Snow Queen'', rechristening it ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' and giving it a similar marketing strategy as ''Tangled'', right down to using the same music for its TV spots as the other film.
** It's funny when you realize that arguably, ''The Princess and the Frog'' is among the least-girly Princess movies, alongside ''{{Disney/Mulan}}'' and ''{{Disney/Pocahontas}}'' - it features a ''very'' menacing villain, a roadtrip, slapstick, strong leads that aren't romantically interested in eachother at all at first... In comparison, ''Tangled'' is a girlier movie, with less peril, less NightmareFuel and more "princess"-stuff.
* HarsherInHindsight: In a previous Disney animated feature, ''Disney/TheLionKing'', Timon once said that the stars in the sky were 'fireflies that were trapped in that big blue-ish, black thing.' [[spoiler: Ray, a firefly in this movie, was killed by Dr. Facilier and turned into a star in the sky.]]
* HilariousInHindsight:
** A while ago, some guy named Creator/TerryPratchett wrote a novel called ''Discworld/WitchesAbroad'', whose third act was set in a fusion of the '''Disney's''' Magic Kingdom and '''New Orleans''', the plot of which involves voodoo and [[spoiler:a prince who's really a frog]]...
** In ''Film/TheThing1982'', Creator/KeithDavid's character calls out the others for believing in "voodoo bullshit". In this film, he plays a voodoo doctor.
** Tiana and Lottie are a black woman and a white woman (respectively) living in the racially discriminated time period but are very close friends. Awfully similar to Minny and Miss Celia from ''Film/TheHelp'', huh? Bonus points for Lottie having short, curly blonde hair, a liking for the color pink, and a thick Southern accent.
** Charlotte "Lottie" [=LaBoeuf=] is obsessed with princesses and dreams of one day becoming a real princess. The British Royal family's newest addition is a princess named Charlotte!
* InverseLawOfUtilityAndLethality: You'd think that between the two comic effect characters, the giant alligator and the firefly, you know which one would be the combatant. You'd be wrong. When fighting shadow monsters, a firefly is quite effective, and Louis is useless at all of the physical threats that come up.
* JustHereForGodzilla: A lot of people's appeal for the film comes less from the plot and characterization (which, while not outright terrible, are considered somewhat lackluster by some compared to other Disney films) and more from it being traditionally animated in an era in which those kinds of films are so rare.
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: [[spoiler: Yeah, like Disney is going to kill off the lovable animal sideki--[[SubvertedTrope wait, what?]] ''[[TearJerker What?!]]'']]
* LoveToHate: Dr. Facilier.
* MinorityShowGhetto: Not to paint too broad a brush, but there are viewers who felt that, while racism may not have been ''the'' reason the film suffered financially, it was definetly ''a'' reason. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Let's just leave it at that.]]
* MisaimedFandom: While Lawrence and Dr. Facilier have [[FreudianExcuse understandable reasons]] to feel bitter about their lot, living in the service or shadows of "fat cats in their fancy cars"... some viewers miss the mark about this NOT being an excuse to use magic to try to lie, cheat, steal, trick, and murder their way into money. There are not a few that go so far as to say they should have completely gotten away with their scheme from beginning to end, even though it would have ultimately resulted in destroying the lives of countless people, none of whom would deserve it.
** The fact that Facilier decided to target the nicest rich man in New Orleans, [[NiceToTheWaiter who gives huge tips to the people who work for him]] and treats the black persons working for him with respect in the 1920s, doesn't help his cause. He was also ready to sell the souls of all the people of the town to his Friends of the Other Side in order to enlist their help.
* {{Moe}}: The film's prologue can be seen as pure unfiltered Disney ''moe''.
* MoralEventHorizon: When Facilier crossed the line is uncertain, but it's likely [[spoiler: when he offers the souls of all New Orleans to his "Friends" in exchange for their cooperation]]. He takes it a step further [[spoiler: when he steps on Ray the firefly.]]
* {{Narm}}: [[spoiler: Ray's death is either one of Disney's biggest and most shocking [[TearJerker Tear Jerkers]] or it's so hammered in and over the top that it becomes hilarious.]]
* NarmCharm: It's almost too easy, to the point of cliché, that [[spoiler: Ray ends up as a star alongside Evangeline. And yet... it's sweet, and it's fitting, and it works.]]
** [[spoiler: During the "Ma Belle Evangeline" dance, when Ray sings "Look how she lights up the sky", and Naveen looks to Tiana and sees a very cartoony sparkle in her eyes. And yet, it's just too adorable a moment to feel awkward.]]
* OneSceneWonder:
** Mama Odie has about 15 minutes of screen time, but steals the show when she first appears.
** To a lesser extent, the hillbilly frog hunters.
* PainfulRhyme: "Down in New Orleans" is packed with them. "We got magic, good and bad/Make you happy or make you real sad" is particularly cringe-worthy.
* RetroactiveRecognition: One of Naveen's animators is [[WesternAnimation/RegularShow Benson]].
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Working hard is important, but so is love. Neglecting your personal life just to work hard is going to leave you unhappy.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Tiana’s friends at the beginning, who complain about her working all the time instead of having fun on occasion, are portrayed as insensitive, but let’s be honest--consistently excluding oneself from social activities with one’s friends does tend to put a dent in one’s relationship with them. The film seems to take their side on this when Tiana learns her Aesop, though the friends aren't seen again.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Lawrence could have been a much more interesting character if he had received more development. When Facilier shows him his tarot readings, we learn that he has a pretty decent FreudianExcuse for his back-stabbing, as he was pushed around by everyone in his life, including his family and the prince. And in one scene after that, [[NobleDemon he actually offers to give his amulet back to Facilier and not go through with his plan]]. But none of that comes up again after those scenes, after which he passively goes along with Facilier.
** Dr. Facilier's issues with his Friends on the Other Side would have made a perfectly good story on their own. Dr. Facilier is basically Disney's version of Dr. Faustus. He had unimaginable demonic power at his fingertips, and all he could think to do was [[spoiler: scam a butler and get some money. When his debt is finally called in, he begs for "just a little more time."]] Indeed, one of the movie's most prominent criticisms is that the villain was underplayed.
** In the same sense, Facilier's personal LivingShadow minion turned out to be a conceptually impressive hit, which makes it a big shame that in the movie proper, the Shadow ends up doing little more than acting as an extra pair of hands.
* UglyCute: Ray, oh so much.
* VanillaProtagonist: Tiana for some. With the asshole Naveen as the love interest needing to learn AnAesop, a charismatic villain and entertaining side characters, Tiana mainly falls into a sort of TeamMom role. Her only flaw is that she's a workaholic, so she spends most of the movie ''teaching'' the Aesops rather than learning them. Notably the villain's plot has very little to do with her, making her a bit of a PinBallProtagonist too. The confrontation between her and Facilier is ''the first time'' that they meet in the film.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Zig-zagged, in that it won ''a'' crowd, but not necessarily the intended crowd.
** On the one hand, Disney banked on this film to decide if they could continue producing hand-drawn animated features in an era dominated by [=CGI=]. While it received glowing reviews, it wound up getting released during [[DuelingMovies a crowded movie season]] against ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' and (of all things) ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks: The Squeakquel'', humbling it's financial success (it's intake, along with licensed merchandise, was closer to that of ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'' or ''Disney/MeetTheRobinsons'' than any of their "renaissance" films, meaning it did ''okay''). As a result, John Lasseter's "every other movie is 2D" plan got off on a bad start and, after similar results with ''Disney/WinnieThePooh'', flopped outright.
** On the other hand, it succeeded at everything else. It's positive reception ''did'' re-established Disney's prominence in the animation industry, and began what many call their "second renaissance" (or the "Lasseter Era") which continued with the roaring successed of ''Disney/WreckItRalph'' and especially ''Disney/{{Frozen}}''. Tiana, being the first Franchise/DisneyPrincess since ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' twelve years prior, helped kick off a successful revival of princess movies which returned with a vengeance (in [[WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}} more ways than one]]) proper with ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' a year later.
* TheWoobie: Tiana, especially when she was [[spoiler:misled into thinking Prince Naveen was going to marry Charlotte instead of her. Poor Tiana.]]
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