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* MaleGaze: Positively everywhere. It made more sense in the first book, as two of its primary viewpoint characters were teenage boys. It starts to feel out of place when Vi and some of Momma K's girls become viewpoint characters in the second book and are ''still'' ogling each other all the time.
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* FoeRomanceSubtext: Rat [[spoiler: AKA Roth]] and Kylar. It's canon that Rat wanted to engage in hatesex with Kylar to show his dominance. Rat also kept hassling Kylar and attempting to get Kylar to become part of his harem. Kylar's first kiss was also with him (albeit all part of a plot to "seduce" Rat and kill him). Many years later, [[spoiler: Rat tells Kylar that he never believed Kylar died, and he was constantly thinking of him and how he wished to get revenge on him]].
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* {{Narm}}: It's a little hard to take the unstoppable killing-machine super-assassins seriously when they are called "wetboys." Especially since they ''[[InsistentTerminology insist]]'' on being called that instead of something more dignified. The idea ''seems'' to be that they're so hardcore that they go by a flippant, sarcastic description instead of a more romantic term like "assassin," but the problem with that is, people who were really hardcore wouldn't care what people called them in the first place. The feeling you end up with is that wetboys are the kind of ironic posers who are incredibly concerned with showing how unconcerned they are, which clashes with their presentation as nightmarish hyper-competent sociopaths.
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* AuthorAppeal: An awful lot of the female characters in this series are prostitutes - and large chunks of the text are devoted to discussing their role, their lifestyles and what exactly they do for a living. Reaches cringe-worthy levels in the second book with hundreds of women queuing up at brothels to earn a living.
** For what it's worth, when an interviewer asked Weeks which character he most identifies with, it was [[HookerWithAHeartOfGold Momma K]].
** Justified in that because of how the city was set up, any non-Sakage endorsed female will end up raped at one point or another, you may as well get paid for it. They needed the safety... It makes more sense in universe.
** Considering his wife works/ed with them as a social worker of sorts, it could be that he's simply very familiar with the lifestyle. Write what you know, indeed
** Prostitution is also not really portrayed as a 'good' thing either. [[ItMakesSenseInContext It all makes sense in the context of the book]]. That said, all of the main female characters are described as attractive, even Elene once one can look past the scars.
** Additionally, Weeks isn't shy about his status as a born-again Christian in real life. The One God bears many traits of the Christian Father and Son.
** For what it's worth, when an interviewer asked Weeks which character he most identifies with, it was [[HookerWithAHeartOfGold Momma K]].
** Justified in that because of how the city was set up, any non-Sakage endorsed female will end up raped at one point or another, you may as well get paid for it. They needed the safety... It makes more sense in universe.
** Considering his wife works/ed with them as a social worker of sorts, it could be that he's simply very familiar with the lifestyle. Write what you know, indeed
** Prostitution is also not really portrayed as a 'good' thing either. [[ItMakesSenseInContext It all makes sense in the context of the book]]. That said, all of the main female characters are described as attractive, even Elene once one can look past the scars.
** Additionally, Weeks isn't shy about his status as a born-again Christian in real life. The One God bears many traits of the Christian Father and Son.
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* SharedUniverse: Possibly in a shared multiverse with Weeks' later work, ''Literature/TheLightbringerSeries''. In ''Lightbringer,'' the God Orholam claims to be the God of a thousand worlds. He also bears a strong resemblance to the One God. However, Khali defies the easy answer by looking like the FallenAngel antagonists of ''Lightbringer'' while being something entirely different. Additionally, Weeks is devoutly Christian, and the similarities between the One God and Orholam may be the result of the traits they share with the Christian Father and Son.
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** Additionally, Weeks isn't shy about his status as a born-again Christian in real life. The One God bears many traits of the Christian Father and Son.
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* SharedUniverse: Possibly in a shared multiverse with Weeks' later work, ''Literature/TheLightbringerSeries''. In ''Lightbringer,'' the God Orholam claims to be the God of a thousand worlds. He also bears a strong resemblance to the One God. However, Khali defies the easy answer by looking like the FallenAngel antagonists of ''Lightbringer'' while being something entirely different. Additionally, Weeks is devoutly Christian, and the similarities between the One God and Orholam may be the result of the traits they share with the Christian Father and Son.
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* {{Squick}}: The trilogy features two God-Kings and approximately 130 aspirants to that title. Every one of them runs on this.
** Garoth's internal monologue sounds like he's ready to launch into a VillainSong any moment. Except that Garoth isn't a Disney villain; he rapes, tortures, and massacres with abandon. His bedchamber is decorated with the taxidermied corpses of women he's raped and murdered, worked into furniture in positions that hide the worst wounds.
** Wanhope tries reform Khalador, but once the vir gets into him, Khalador reshapes him instead. He seems to be aware that he's SlowlySlippingIntoEvil, sending his wife away before he commits a new atrocity like raping a 13-year-old girl in front of her father. By the end, he's mostly just embarrassed when she sees him doing something depraved in public.
** Roth seems to be a genuine sociopath. He performs an experiment where he regularly sets out free food for the starving peasants of the Warrens, then fires a crossbow in a specific pattern to see if any of them figures them out. He's also a SerialRapist.
** The other Ethlings vary from vicious killers all the way up to a DarkMessiah. Keep in mind that some of them are as young as ''eight'' and already have kills to their name.
** Garoth's internal monologue sounds like he's ready to launch into a VillainSong any moment. Except that Garoth isn't a Disney villain; he rapes, tortures, and massacres with abandon. His bedchamber is decorated with the taxidermied corpses of women he's raped and murdered, worked into furniture in positions that hide the worst wounds.
** Wanhope tries reform Khalador, but once the vir gets into him, Khalador reshapes him instead. He seems to be aware that he's SlowlySlippingIntoEvil, sending his wife away before he commits a new atrocity like raping a 13-year-old girl in front of her father. By the end, he's mostly just embarrassed when she sees him doing something depraved in public.
** Roth seems to be a genuine sociopath. He performs an experiment where he regularly sets out free food for the starving peasants of the Warrens, then fires a crossbow in a specific pattern to see if any of them figures them out. He's also a SerialRapist.
** The other Ethlings vary from vicious killers all the way up to a DarkMessiah. Keep in mind that some of them are as young as ''eight'' and already have kills to their name.
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* MaleGaze: Positively everywhere. It made more sense in the first book, as two of its primary viewpoint characters were teenage boys. It starts to feel out of place when Vi and some of Momma K's girls become viewpoint characters in the second book and are ''still'' ogling each other all the time.
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* FoeYay: Rat [[spoiler: AKA Roth]] and Kylar. It's canon that Rat wanted to engage in hatesex with Kylar to show his dominance. Rat also kept hassling Kylar and attempting to get Kylar to become part of his harem. Kylar's first kiss was also with him (albeit all part of a plot to "seduce" Rat and kill him). Many years later, [[spoiler: Rat tells Kylar that he never believed Kylar died, and he was constantly thinking of him and how he wished to get revenge on him]].
* {{Fridge Brilliance}}: From Durzo's point of view, love is indeed a noose- [[spoiler: to his loved ones]].
* {{Fridge Brilliance}}: From Durzo's point of view, love is indeed a noose- [[spoiler: to his loved ones]].
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* FoeYay: Rat [[spoiler: AKA Roth]] and Kylar. It's canon that Rat wanted to engage in hatesex with Kylar to show his dominance. Rat also kept hassling Kylar and attempting to get Kylar to become part of his harem. Kylar's first kiss was also with him (albeit all part of a plot to "seduce" Rat and kill him). Many years later, [[spoiler: Rat tells Kylar that he never believed Kylar died, and he was constantly thinking of him and how he wished to get revenge on him]].
* {{Fridge Brilliance}}:FridgeBrilliance: From Durzo's point of view, love is indeed a noose- [[spoiler: to his loved ones]].
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** Finally, [[TheCaligula God King Garoth Ursuul]] presides over a legacy of rape, torture, murder and slavery. Garoth attempts to rape or force the submission of any woman he comes across and makes those hes tired of into furniture. Under his reign, widespread war crimes are common, and people are killed or raped at the drop of a hat, all of this ForTheEvulz.
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** Finally, [[TheCaligula God King Garoth Ursuul]] presides over a legacy of rape, torture, murder and slavery. Garoth attempts to rape or force the submission of any woman he comes across and makes those hes tired of into furniture. Under his reign, widespread war crimes are common, and people are killed or raped at the drop of a hat, all of this ForTheEvulz.
