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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, destroying its contents and starting a fire that ends up consuming the entire abbey and most of the books within it]].
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** Creator/ChristianSlater being cast as a virginal monk is WTHCastingAgency in hindsight, as this was just a few years before his breakout as an 80s bad boy heartthrob in ''Film/{{Heathers}}'', etc.

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** Creator/ChristianSlater being cast as a virginal monk is WTHCastingAgency QuestionableCasting in hindsight, as this was just a few years before his breakout as an 80s bad boy heartthrob in ''Film/{{Heathers}}'', etc.

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, destroying its contents and starting a fire that ends up consuming the entire abbey and most of the books within it.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, destroying its contents and starting a fire that ends up consuming the entire abbey and most of the books within it.]]it]].



* QuestionableCasting: Creator/SeanConnery plays a professional celibate. According to the movie director, he initially turned down Connery for this exact reason, until Sean Connery forced himself into his office, and demanded to read just one line. And then he accepted.



* WTHCastingAgency: Creator/SeanConnery plays a professional celibate. According to the movie director, he initially turned down Connery for this exact reason, until Sean Connery forced himself into his office, and demanded to read just one line. And then he accepted.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Creator/SeanConnery plays a professional celibate. According to the movie director, he initially turned down Connery for this exact reason, until Sean Connery forced himself into his office, and demanded to read just one line. And then he accepted.
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* MagnificentBastard (film): [[spoiler:Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elder monk wholly convinced that mankind's salvation lies in complete obedience to God. Abhorring the ancient literature contained in the labyrinth beneath the abbey for what he perceives as its blasphemous humor, Jorge uses a book with a poisoned page to kill several monks who had knowledge of the secret library, which prompts the Abbey to call for the Franciscan William of Baskerville to investigate the mysterious deaths. When William eventually discovers the library, Jorge tries to trick William into touching the poisoned book, and when this fails, eats the poisoned pages himself and sets fire to the library, ensuring Christendom's supremacy for centuries to come.]]

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* MagnificentBastard (film): [[spoiler:Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elder monk wholly convinced that mankind's salvation lies in complete obedience to God. Abhorring the ancient literature contained in the labyrinth beneath the abbey for what he perceives as its blasphemous humor, Jorge uses a book with a poisoned page to kill several monks who had knowledge of the secret library, which prompts the Abbey to call for the Franciscan William of Baskerville to investigate the mysterious deaths. When William eventually discovers the library, Jorge tries to trick William into touching the poisoned book, and when this fails, eats the poisoned pages himself and sets fire to the library, ensuring Christendom's supremacy for centuries that Christianity's hold over Western society would continue and only start to come.loosen in almost 200 years.]]
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* NightmareFuel: The scene where the two monks and the unnamed peasant girl are [[BurnTheWitch sentenced to death by burning after being unfairly condemned as witches]]. It is slow enough to allow the viewers to feel their despair at the inevitability of their fate. Probably not all that different from what eventually happened in the book where it all took place off-screen.
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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, deatroying it’s contents and starting a fire that ends up consuming the entire abbey and most of the books within it.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, deatroying it’s destroying its contents and starting a fire that ends up consuming the entire abbey and most of the books within it.]]
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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, deatroying it’s contents and starting a fire that ends up consuming the entire abbey and most of the books within in it.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, deatroying it’s contents and starting a fire that ends up consuming the entire abbey and most of the books within in it.]]
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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, deatroying it’s contents and starting a fire that ends up comshing the entire abbey and most of the books in it.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, deatroying it’s contents and starting a fire that ends up comshing consuming the entire abbey and most of the books within in it.]]
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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, eating its pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the books in the monastery.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, eating its pages deatroying it’s contents and starting a fire that destroys ends up comshing the entire abbey and most of the books in the monastery.it.]]
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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, eating its pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the precious books in the monastery.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, eating its pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the precious books in the monastery.]]
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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, eating its pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the books in the monastery.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, eating its pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the precious books in the monastery.]]
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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, eating it’s pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the books in the monastery.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up snatching the book, eating it’s its pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the books in the monastery.]]
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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up grabbing the book, eating it’s pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the books in the monastery.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up grabbing snatching the book, eating it’s pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the books in the monastery.]]
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* IdiotBall: Because William careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up grabbing the book, eating it’s pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the books in the monastery.]]

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* IdiotBall: Because William of William’s careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book (because he is wearing gloves) while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up grabbing the book, eating it’s pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the books in the monastery.]]
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* IdiotBall: Because William careless decision to reveal [[spoiler: to Jorge that he hasn’t been poisoned by the pages of the book while it is still within arms reach of the older monk, Jorge ends up grabbing the book, eating it’s pages and starting a fire that destroys most of the books in the monastery.]]

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** 1986 film: [[AdaptationalVillainy Inquisitor Bernardo Gui]] is the [[KnightTemplar sadistic fanatic]] whose savagery forced William of Baskerville to leave the Inquisitors. Roaming the countryside, Gui takes those he believes might be "heretics" or witches and tortures them into confessions before [[BurnTheWitch burning them alive]]. Arriving at the abbey, Gui tortures the hunchback Salvatore into a [[FalseConfession confession]], accusing him, an innocent peasant girl, and another man of witchcraft to burn them while also jumping at the chance to declare William the murderer and kill him as well.

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** 1986 film: [[AdaptationalVillainy Inquisitor Bernardo Gui]] is the [[KnightTemplar sadistic fanatic]] whose savagery forced William of Baskerville to leave the Inquisitors. Roaming the countryside, Gui takes those he believes might be "heretics" "[[TheHeretic heretics]]" or witches and tortures them into confessions before [[BurnTheWitch burning them alive]]. Arriving at the abbey, Gui tortures the hunchback Salvatore into a [[FalseConfession confession]], accusing him, an innocent peasant girl, and another man of witchcraft to burn them while also jumping at the chance to declare William the murderer and kill him as well.

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Approved by the thread.


* CompleteMonster (2019 miniseries): [[KnightTemplar Bernard Gui]] is [[AdaptationalVillainy far more vicious than his literary counterpart]]. A smug, ruthless, [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]] fanatic, Gui is a notorious inquisitor, known for burning heretics at the stake. Having been involved in putting down the Dulcinian uprising years previously, Gui violated the law by personally igniting co-leader Marghererita's pyre. Dispatched by Pope John XXII to be his representative at the theological debate held at the Benedictine monastery. En route upon encountering two suspected Dulcinians, a man and woman, he has the man's throat slit, then drags the woman naked to Pietranera. Suspecting heretics amongst the town's population, Gui ordered his solders to "kill them all, God will recognize his own", massacring everyone, [[WouldHurtAChild including the children]], climaxing with him burning the woman upon the stake. At the monastery and tasked to investigate the murders, Gui fixed his attention on Remigio of Varagine, having his men torture him into confessing to be a former Dulcinian. Upon discovering an Occitan war refugee, Gui accused the poor girl of being a witch and [[BurnTheWitch ordered her to be burned]], despite knowing she was innocent.

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* CompleteMonster (2019 miniseries): CompleteMonster:
**1986 film: [[AdaptationalVillainy Inquisitor Bernardo Gui]] is the [[KnightTemplar sadistic fanatic]] whose savagery forced William of Baskerville to leave the Inquisitors. Roaming the countryside, Gui takes those he believes might be "heretics" or witches and tortures them into confessions before [[BurnTheWitch burning them alive]]. Arriving at the abbey, Gui tortures the hunchback Salvatore into a [[FalseConfession confession]], accusing him, an innocent peasant girl, and another man of witchcraft to burn them while also jumping at the chance to declare William the murderer and kill him as well.
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[[KnightTemplar Bernard Gui]] is [[AdaptationalVillainy far more vicious than his literary counterpart]]. A smug, ruthless, [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]] fanatic, Gui is a notorious inquisitor, known for burning heretics at the stake. Having been involved in putting down the Dulcinian uprising years previously, Gui violated the law by personally igniting co-leader Marghererita's pyre. Dispatched by Pope John XXII to be his representative at the theological debate held at the Benedictine monastery. En route upon encountering two suspected Dulcinians, a man and woman, he has the man's throat slit, then drags the woman naked to Pietranera. Suspecting heretics amongst the town's population, Gui ordered his solders to "kill them all, God will recognize his own", massacring everyone, [[WouldHurtAChild including the children]], climaxing with him burning the woman upon the stake. At the monastery and tasked to investigate the murders, Gui fixed his attention on Remigio of Varagine, having his men torture him into confessing to be a former Dulcinian. Upon discovering an Occitan war refugee, Gui accused the poor girl of being a witch and [[BurnTheWitch ordered her to be burned]], despite knowing she was innocent.
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smalll correction: jesuits did not even exist in that century


* MagnificentBastard (film): [[spoiler:Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elder monk wholly convinced that mankind's salvation lies in complete obedience to God. Abhorring the ancient literature contained in the labyrinth beneath the abbey for what he perceives as its blasphemous humor, Jorge uses a book with a poisoned page to kill several monks who had knowledge of the secret library, which prompts the Abbey to call for the Jesuit William of Baskerville to investigate the mysterious deaths. When William eventually discovers the library, Jorge tries to trick William into touching the poisoned book, and when this fails, eats the poisoned pages himself and sets fire to the library, ensuring Christendom's supremacy for centuries to come.]]

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* MagnificentBastard (film): [[spoiler:Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elder monk wholly convinced that mankind's salvation lies in complete obedience to God. Abhorring the ancient literature contained in the labyrinth beneath the abbey for what he perceives as its blasphemous humor, Jorge uses a book with a poisoned page to kill several monks who had knowledge of the secret library, which prompts the Abbey to call for the Jesuit Franciscan William of Baskerville to investigate the mysterious deaths. When William eventually discovers the library, Jorge tries to trick William into touching the poisoned book, and when this fails, eats the poisoned pages himself and sets fire to the library, ensuring Christendom's supremacy for centuries to come.]]
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* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elderly monk who nevertheless manages to commit a series of murders and basically gets away with it, destroying the only copy of the second volume of Aristotle's ''Poetics'' and burning down the library and all its dangerous knowledge.]]

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* MagnificentBastard: MagnificentBastard (film): [[spoiler:Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elderly elder monk who nevertheless manages wholly convinced that mankind's salvation lies in complete obedience to commit God. Abhorring the ancient literature contained in the labyrinth beneath the abbey for what he perceives as its blasphemous humor, Jorge uses a series of murders and basically gets away book with it, destroying the only copy a poisoned page to kill several monks who had knowledge of the second volume secret library, which prompts the Abbey to call for the Jesuit William of Aristotle's ''Poetics'' Baskerville to investigate the mysterious deaths. When William eventually discovers the library, Jorge tries to trick William into touching the poisoned book, and burning down when this fails, eats the library poisoned pages himself and all its dangerous knowledge.sets fire to the library, ensuring Christendom's supremacy for centuries to come.]]
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The library's not secret, just one part of it.


* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elder monk wholly convinced that mankind's salvation lies in complete obedience to God. Abhorring the ancient literature contained in the labyrinth beneath the abbey for what he perceives as its blasphemous humor, Jorge uses a book with a poisoned page to kill several monks who had knowledge of the secret library, which prompts the Abbey to call for the Jesuit William of Baskerville to investigate the mysterious deaths. When William eventually discovers the library, Jorge tries to trick William into touching the poisoned book, and when this fails, eats the poisoned pages himself and sets fire to the library, ensuring Christendom's supremacy for centuries to come.]]

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* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elder elderly monk wholly convinced that mankind's salvation lies in complete obedience who nevertheless manages to God. Abhorring the ancient literature contained in the labyrinth beneath the abbey for what he perceives as its blasphemous humor, Jorge uses commit a book series of murders and basically gets away with a poisoned page to kill several monks who had knowledge it, destroying the only copy of the secret library, which prompts second volume of Aristotle's ''Poetics'' and burning down the Abbey to call for the Jesuit William of Baskerville to investigate the mysterious deaths. When William eventually discovers the library, Jorge tries to trick William into touching the poisoned book, library and when this fails, eats the poisoned pages himself and sets fire to the library, ensuring Christendom's supremacy for centuries to come.all its dangerous knowledge.]]

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* AmericansHateTingle: The film failed at the U.S. box-office, grossing only $7.2 million. However, in Europe, it did exceptionally well, contributing to its overall worldwide gross of over $77 million.



* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The film failed at the U.S. box-office, grossing only $7.2 million. However, in Europe, it did exceptionally well, contributing to its overall worldwide gross of over $77 million.
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should be Direct Line To The Author which is not YMMV


* LiteraryAgentHypothesis: The novel is ostensibly Eco's translation of Adso's account, recounted in a manuscript that Eco discovered while fleeing Prague in 1968.
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* LiteraryAgentHypothesis: The novel is ostensibly Eco's translation of Adso's account, recounted in a manuscript that Eco discovered while fleeing Prague in 1968.

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* HilariousInHindsight: William uses "Merlin's beard!" long before ''Literature/HarryPotter''.

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William uses "Merlin's beard!" long before ''Literature/HarryPotter''.''Literature/HarryPotter''.
** Creator/ChristianSlater being cast as a virginal monk is WTHCastingAgency in hindsight, as this was just a few years before his breakout as an 80s bad boy heartthrob in ''Film/{{Heathers}}'', etc.



* WTHCastingAgency: Creator/SeanConnery and Creator/ChristianSlater play professional celibates.
** According to the movie director, he initially turned down Connery for this exact reason, until Sean Connery forced himself into his office, and demanded to read just one line. And then he accepted.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Creator/SeanConnery and Creator/ChristianSlater play plays a professional celibates.
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celibate. According to the movie director, he initially turned down Connery for this exact reason, until Sean Connery forced himself into his office, and demanded to read just one line. And then he accepted.
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* CompleteMonster (2019 miniseries): [[KnightTemplar Bernard Gui]] is [[AdaptationalVillainy far more vicious than his literary counterpart]]. A smug, ruthless, [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]] fanatic, Gui is a notorious inquisitor, known for burning heretics at the stake. Having been involved in putting down the Dulcinian uprising years previously, Gui violated the law by personally igniting co-leader Marghererita's pyre. Dispatched by Pope John XXII to be his representative at the theological debate held at the Benedictine monastery. En route upon encountering two suspected Dulcinians, a man and woman, he has the man's throat slit, then drags the woman naked to Pietranera. Suspecting heretics amongst the town's population, Gui ordered his solders to "kill them all, God will recognize his own", massacring everyone, [[WouldHurtAChild including the children]], climaxing with him burning the woman upon the stake. At the monastery and tasked to investigate the murders, Gui fixed his attention on Remigio of Varagine, having his men torture him into confessing to be a former Dulcinian. Upon discovering an Occitan war refugee, Gui accused the poor girl of being a witch and [[BurthTheWitch ordered her to be burned]], despite knowing she was innocent.

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* CompleteMonster (2019 miniseries): [[KnightTemplar Bernard Gui]] is [[AdaptationalVillainy far more vicious than his literary counterpart]]. A smug, ruthless, [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]] fanatic, Gui is a notorious inquisitor, known for burning heretics at the stake. Having been involved in putting down the Dulcinian uprising years previously, Gui violated the law by personally igniting co-leader Marghererita's pyre. Dispatched by Pope John XXII to be his representative at the theological debate held at the Benedictine monastery. En route upon encountering two suspected Dulcinians, a man and woman, he has the man's throat slit, then drags the woman naked to Pietranera. Suspecting heretics amongst the town's population, Gui ordered his solders to "kill them all, God will recognize his own", massacring everyone, [[WouldHurtAChild including the children]], climaxing with him burning the woman upon the stake. At the monastery and tasked to investigate the murders, Gui fixed his attention on Remigio of Varagine, having his men torture him into confessing to be a former Dulcinian. Upon discovering an Occitan war refugee, Gui accused the poor girl of being a witch and [[BurthTheWitch [[BurnTheWitch ordered her to be burned]], despite knowing she was innocent.

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