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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bear in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed -- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent person will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as they can -- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice-[[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals-a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]

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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bear in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed -- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent person will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as they can -- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice-[[spoiler: if SenselessSacrifice -- [[spoiler:if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals-a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]
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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bear in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed-few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent person will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as they can-which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice-[[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals-a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]

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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bear in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed-few executed -- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent person will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as they can-which can -- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice-[[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals-a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The film's central messages, that it's still terrifyingly easy for innocent people to end up on death row and it's overall criticism of capital punishment, are definitely important. The issue lies in the execution as noted above.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The film's central messages, that it's still terrifyingly easy for innocent people to end up on death row and it's its overall criticism of capital punishment, are definitely important. The issue lies in the execution as noted above.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The film's central messages, that it's still terrifyingly easy for innocent people to end up on death row and it's overall criticism of capital punishment, are definitely important. The issue lies in the execution as noted above.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Withholding vital evidence results in wrongful convictions.
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* CriticalDissonance: The film was brutalized by critics and has a 19% rating on RottenTomatoes. Moviegoers however enjoyed it, as it has an 81% audience score on RT, as well as a 7.6/10 on Website/IMDb.

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* CriticalDissonance: The film was brutalized by critics and has a 19% rating on RottenTomatoes.Website/RottenTomatoes. Moviegoers however enjoyed it, as it has an 81% audience score on RT, as well as a 7.6/10 on Website/IMDb.
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* CriticalDissonance: The film was brutalized by critics and has a 19% rating on RottenTomatoes. Moviegoers however enjoyed it, as it has an 81% audience score on RT, as well as a 7.5 on Website/IMDb.

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* CriticalDissonance: The film was brutalized by critics and has a 19% rating on RottenTomatoes. Moviegoers however enjoyed it, as it has an 81% audience score on RT, as well as a 7.5 6/10 on Website/IMDb.
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There have been women executed too, though not as many.


* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bear in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can-which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice-[[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals-a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]

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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bear in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few executed-few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man person will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he they can-which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice-[[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals-a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]
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* DontShootTheMessageDontShootTheMessage: Regarded as one of the most egregious examples of this trope in the history of film.
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The Karm Houdini trope belongs on the main page, not under YMMV


* KarmaHoudini: All of the people involved in Gale's/Constance's plot. They'd probably all claim IDidWhatIHadToDo, but it comes off more as PrinciplesZealot.
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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bear in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice- [[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals- a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]

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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bear in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can- which can-which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice- [[spoiler: SenselessSacrifice-[[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals- a individuals-a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]
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Rouge Angles Of Satin, folks. \"Bear\"=carry/keep. \"Bare\"=expose.


* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bare in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice- [[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals- a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]

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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bare Bear in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice- [[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals- a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]
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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need the innocent man in question to ''actually be in your plot'' to make it work]]. Bare in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice- [[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row.]]

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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need both the innocent man in question and your victim to ''actually be in your on the plot'' to make it work]]. Bare in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice- [[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people; people going to ridiculous, fanatical lengths to make their case; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row.row. Either way, realistically, they are unlikely to have actually achieved anything at all, and the scheme comes off as just an elaborate suicide pact between two very depressed individuals- a woman who is already dying and a man whose family life and career have been utterly ruined.]]



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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need the innocent man in question to ''actually be in your plot'' to make it work]]. Bare in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice- [[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row.]]

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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need the innocent man in question to ''actually be in your plot'' to make it work]]. Bare in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice- [[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in on it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row.]]
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* IdiotPlot: The lengths that the characters go to in order to show that an innocent man might indeed be wrongfully executed only shows how unlikely it is to happen [[spoiler: especially if you need the innocent man in question to ''actually be in your plot'' to make it work]]. Bare in mind that in RealLife there are indeed cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed- few serious advocates of the death penalty would argue that this never, ever happens; they are just prepared to take the risk so long as there are adequate safeguards in place (including the reasonable assumption that an innocent man will fight a wrongful conviction for as long as he can- which Gale of course does ''not'' in order to "prove" his point). Essentially this is a SenselessSacrifice- [[spoiler: if it comes out that Gale was in it, then the point is rendered moot: if it doesn't but it is shown that he was "framed", then it only makes the victim and her accomplice look like terrible people; and if none of this came out, then Gale is just another murderer sent to death row.]]



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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Ebert's [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030221/REVIEWS/302210304/1023 review]] of the film, which is a different type of this trope wherein the movie's central characters go ''so ridiculously far'' to show that their position is right, you can't help but be disgusted with them.
-->'''Creator/RogerEbert:''' I am sure the filmmakers believe their film is against the death penalty. I believe it supports it and hopes to discredit the opponents of the penalty as unprincipled fraudsters.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Ebert's Creator/RogerEbert's [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030221/REVIEWS/302210304/1023 review]] of the film, which is a different type of this trope wherein the movie's central characters go ''so ridiculously far'' to show that their position is right, you can't help but be disgusted with them.
-->'''Creator/RogerEbert:''' -->'''Ebert:''' I am sure the filmmakers believe their film is against the death penalty. I believe it supports it and hopes to discredit the opponents of the penalty as unprincipled fraudsters.
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* CriticalDissonance: The film was brutalized by critics and has a 19% rating on RottenTomatoes. Moviegoers however enjoyed it, as it has an 81% audience score on RT, as well as a 7.5 on IMDB.

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* CriticalDissonance: The film was brutalized by critics and has a 19% rating on RottenTomatoes. Moviegoers however enjoyed it, as it has an 81% audience score on RT, as well as a 7.5 on IMDB.Website/IMDb.
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-->'''Roger Ebert:''' I am sure the filmmakers believe their film is against the death penalty. I believe it supports it and hopes to discredit the opponents of the penalty as unprincipled fraudsters.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Ebert's [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030221/REVIEWS/302210304/1023 review]] of the film, which is a different type of this trope wherein the movie's central characters go ''so ridiculously far'' to show that their position is right, you can not help but be disgusted with them.

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* KarmaHoudini: All of the people involved in Gale's/Constance's plot. They'd probably all claim IDidWhatIHadToDo, but it comes off more as PrinciplesZealot.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Ebert's [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030221/REVIEWS/302210304/1023 review]] of the film, which is a different type of this trope wherein the movie's central characters go ''so ridiculously far'' to show that their position is right, you can not can't help but be disgusted with them.



* KarmaHoudini - all of the people involved in Gale's/Constance's plot. They'd probably all claim IDidWhatIHadToDo, but it comes off more as PrinciplesZealot

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* CriticalDissonance: The film was brutalized by critics and has a 19% rating on RottenTomatoes. Moviegoers however enjoyed it, as it has an 81% audience score on RT, as well as a 7.5 on IMDB.
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* {{Anvilicous}}: The death penalty is wrong. You could argue that it's a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, but [[StrawmanHasAPoint they ruined it.]]

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* {{Anvillicous}}: The death penalty is wrong. You could argue that it's a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, but [[StrawmanHasAPoint they ruined it.]]

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* {{Anvillicous]}: The death penalty is wrong. You could argue that it's a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, but [[StrawmanHasAPoint they ruined it.]]

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-->'''Ebert:''' I am sure the filmmakers believe their film is against the death penalty. I believe it supports it and hopes to discredit the opponents of the penalty as unprincipled fraudsters.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Ebert's [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030221/REVIEWS/302210304/1023 review]] of the film, which is a different type of this trope wherein the movie's central characters go ''so ridiculously far'' to show that their position is right, you can not help but be disgusted with them.

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