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** In the final act, was Kylo really planning to [[spoiler: take Snoke's place as Supreme Leader]] all along, or was he initially just planning to [[spoiler: free himself from Snoke and save Rey]], with the rest of it being more along the lines of 'making it up as I go' and opportunism?
** Is Kylo's decision [[spoiler: not to rejoin the light]] solely out of desire for power and vengeance, and general villany? Or is it partly out of pragmatism? When one considers the context: [[spoiler: the Resistance is [[DarkestHour looking pretty screwed]], they being down to only a few transports and fleeing to Crait, where they’ll be sitting ducks unless their allies come to their aid (Kylo doesn't know about Holdo's upcoming HeroicSacrifice). He and Rey would also still have to get off the ''Supremacy'', which would be difficult, if not impossible, to pull off considering the place is full of heavily armed stormtroopers and security and whatnot, who probably aren't just going to let them walk into the hangar bay (Rey does manage to escape later by nicking Snoke's escape shuttle, but this is likely because everyone is distracted by Holdo ''cutting the ship in half at lightspeed''; again, Kylo has no way of knowing about this). And finally, even if, by some miracle, Kylo and Rey made it to Crait and the Resistance weren't immediately wiped out, Kylo is still technically a war criminal who has killed, tortured and/or injured many Resistance members...in fact, he was doing ''exactly'' that just ''hours'' ago. Although Leia and Rey would probably defend him and thus prevent him from being shot on sight, the Resistance aren't just going to forgive him and roll out the welcome mat]]. Taking this into account, Kylo's [[spoiler: RedemptionRejection]] starts to look almost ''sensible'' from a coldly pragmatic point of view; heck, DJ does the exact same thing when he [[spoiler: sells out the Resistance to save his own ass when he, Rose and Finn get captured]]. From Kylo's viewpoint, going along with [[spoiler: Rey's plan]] is not only counter to his personal goals, beliefs and mental/emotional state, but would be downright suicidal.


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** When Luke orders Rey to leave the island [[spoiler: after catching her with Kylo]], is it because he's actually [[ShooTheDog trying to protect her]], believing she will be drawn to the dark side and suffer the same fate as Kylo if she stays and he will be unable to prevent it? During his conversation with [[spoiler: Yoda]], the latter actually reassures him he won't lose Rey to the dark side, indicating this is a fear he has.
*** Furthermore, in the aforementioned scene, Luke can see [[spoiler: Kylo]] but during the previous [[spoiler: Force bond]] scenes, he apparently couldn't. Is it because he's [[spoiler: reconnected with the Force again]]? Or is it possible [[spoiler: Snoke ''let'' Luke see Kylo and Rey together in the hopes of sowing discord between him and Rey]]?
** Did Luke initially go to Ahch-To seeking guidance after the destruction of his Jedi Order, but finding no obvious or helpful answers, gave into despair and decided to exile himself there [[spoiler: and cut himself off from the force]]?


** [[spoiler: [[TheBusCameBack Hello again, Yoda!]] We've missed you, old friend.]]

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** [[spoiler: [[TheBusCameBack Hello again, Yoda!]] We've missed you, Missed you we have, old friend.]]



** ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]'' fans quickly took to the Vulptex species on Crait, in part because of being a cool and mystical-appearing canine species like the lothwolves, which had been revealed around the same time the foxes were seen in the second trailer. Likewise, ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' fans quickly took a liking to the species due to similarities between it and the [[Characters/PokemonGenerationIBulbasaurToTentacruel Vulpix species, alongside and the evolved form of said species, Ninetales]].

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** ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]'' fans quickly took to the Vulptex species on Crait, in part because of being a cool and mystical-appearing canine species like the lothwolves, which had been revealed around the same time the foxes were seen in the second trailer. Likewise, ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' fans quickly took a liking to the species due to similarities between it and the [[Characters/PokemonGenerationIBulbasaurToTentacruel Vulpix species, alongside and the evolved form of said species, Ninetales]].Ninetales]] (especially the recently-introduced [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Alolan-forms]]).


** Holdo. Fans are heavily divided on if her decision to not tell Poe or anyone else her plan (or even that there is a plan) was justifiable or stupid to the point of undermining her intended character, and if her SignatureScene-worthy HeroicSacrifice redeemed her or not.

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** Holdo. Fans are heavily divided on if her decision to not tell Poe or anyone else Poe her plan (or even that there is a plan) was justifiable or stupid to the point of undermining her intended character, and if her SignatureScene-worthy HeroicSacrifice redeemed her or not.


** Holdo. Fans are heavily divided on if her decision to not tell Poe or anyone else her plan (or even that there is a plan) was justifiable or stupid to the point of undermining her intended character, and if her Signature Scene-worthy Heroic Sacrifice redeemed her or not.

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** Holdo. Fans are heavily divided on if her decision to not tell Poe or anyone else her plan (or even that there is a plan) was justifiable or stupid to the point of undermining her intended character, and if her Signature Scene-worthy Heroic Sacrifice SignatureScene-worthy HeroicSacrifice redeemed her or not.

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** Holdo. Fans are heavily divided on if her decision to not tell Poe or anyone else her plan (or even that there is a plan) was justifiable or stupid to the point of undermining her intended character, and if her Signature Scene-worthy Heroic Sacrifice redeemed her or not.


** Luke's characterization in the film. A neat twist on a character that builds on his established personality, or an utter betrayal of everything the original trilogy built upon him? One example that struck a lot of controversy was his brief impulse to kill young Kylo Ren. A chilling reminder that even Luke is not safe from the temptations of the Dark Side, or a move that was completely contradictory to his motivations from ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' Since there have been arguments on Wiki/ThisVeryWiki about this, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement that is all we can say.]]

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** Luke's characterization in the film. A neat twist on a character that builds on his established personality, or an utter betrayal of everything the original trilogy built upon him? One example that struck a lot of controversy was his brief impulse to kill young Kylo Ren. A chilling reminder that even Luke is not safe from the temptations of the Dark Side, or a move that was completely contradictory to his motivations from ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. Since there have been arguments on Wiki/ThisVeryWiki about this, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement that is all we can say.]]


** Luke's characterization in the film. A neat twist on a character that builds on his established personality, or an utter betrayal of everything the original trilogy built up on him? Since there have been arguments on Wiki/ThisVeryWiki about this, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement that is all we can say.]]

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** Luke's characterization in the film. A neat twist on a character that builds on his established personality, or an utter betrayal of everything the original trilogy built up on upon him? One example that struck a lot of controversy was his brief impulse to kill young Kylo Ren. A chilling reminder that even Luke is not safe from the temptations of the Dark Side, or a move that was completely contradictory to his motivations from ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' Since there have been arguments on Wiki/ThisVeryWiki about this, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement that is all we can say.]]


* BestKnownForTheFanservice: One of the most talked about scenes of the movie is Kylo's ShirtlessScene. Though not [[necessarily MemeticMutation]] for [[SnarkBait positive reasons]].

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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: One of the most talked about scenes of the movie is Kylo's ShirtlessScene. Though not [[necessarily MemeticMutation]] also for [[SnarkBait positive reasons]]. [[MemeticMutation certain]] reasons besides the obvious.


** Holdo, Holdo, Holdo. While the fandom has near-unilaterally loathed her decision to not tell Poe (or anyone else) her plan (or even that there ''is'' a plan), her lightspeed HeroicSacrifice ''is'' one of the film's {{Signature Scene}}s and to many enough to swing her back into being a good characters. Others, however aren't so quick to forgive and still hate her.


** Holdo, Holdo, Holdo. While the fandom has near-unilaterally loathed her decision to not tell Poe (or anyone else) her plan (or even that there ''is'' a plan), her lightspeed HeroicSacrifice ''is'' one of the film's {{Signature Scene}}s and to many enough to swing her back into being a good characters. Others, however aren't so quick to forgive and still hate her.



* BestKnownForTheFanservice: One of the most talked about scenes of the movie is Kylo's ShirtlessScene.

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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: One of the most talked about scenes of the movie is Kylo's ShirtlessScene. Though not [[necessarily MemeticMutation]] for [[SnarkBait positive reasons]].

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** Rey is frequently shown gripping her lightsaber by its blade.
** During the throne room fight, one of Snoke's Praetorian Guards wields two knives. One of the knives is digitally erased at a certain point in the scene when this Guard grabs Rey. The Guard makes a drawing motion across her stomach with his empty hand, Rey reacts as if she has been cut, but the knife is nowhere to be seen, except for an outline that couldn't quite be completely erased.


** The reveal of Rey's parents has divided some fans. Some people support the idea of making Rey more relatable by having her be the daughter to ordinary people. However, others criticized it as an underwhelming reveal to a mystery the [[Film/TheForceAwakens last movie]] had set up.

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** The reveal of Rey's parents has divided some fans. Some people support the idea of making Rey more relatable by having her be the daughter to ordinary people. However, others criticized it as an underwhelming reveal to a mystery the [[Film/TheForceAwakens last movie]] had set up.up. Others support the idea of making Rey more relatable by having her be the daughter to ordinary people, and also think ''The Force Awakens'' had plenty of evidence to point to it.


** Admiral Holdo has been largely criticized for keeping Poe Dameron and the others in the dark about her plan. Not only did this hurt the Resistance morale due to their desperate situation, but it also unintentionally led to heavy losses within the Resistance. However, some supporters believe that her actions were completely justified because she did not trust Poe Dameron due to his reckless actions. And she sacrifices her own life in the most visually stunning and badass way.
%%For Admiral Holdo, please do not discuss the SJW accusations towards her since this is considered FlameBait.


** Snoke's unexpected death. A shocking twist that adds more complexity towards Kylo Ren's character and taking the story in a brand new direction, or a cheap way to end to an incredibly underdeveloped villain.

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** Snoke's unexpected death. A shocking twist that adds more complexity towards Kylo Ren's character and taking the story in a brand new direction, or a cheap way to end to an incredibly underdeveloped villain.


** Snoke's unexpected death. An unexpected twist that adds more complexity towards Kylo Ren's character, or a cheap way to end to an incredibly underdeveloped villain.

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** Snoke's unexpected death. An unexpected A shocking twist that adds more complexity towards Kylo Ren's character, character and taking the story in a brand new direction, or a cheap way to end to an incredibly underdeveloped villain.

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