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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Emily Jane is very, very appreciated by fans.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkHorse: Emily Jane is very, very appreciated by fans.
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** Jack's ability to age at will has also been divisive. Some see it as Joyce trying to pander to the Jack/Elsa crossover ship fans as many fanarts and fanfics will have Jack grow up or be Elsa's age in order to avoid the age difference squick. Yet very few bother to explain or acknowledge Jack's immortality and the fact that he's still a preteen. This is also made worse the fact that Joyce has approved of the Elsa ship outraging many on both sides.
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* FashionVictimVillain: [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/riseoftheguardians/images/1/19/Pitch_in_the_books.png/revision/latest?cb=20130115131333 Pitch]] looks rather flamboyant, what's with his bristled long hair and the overcoat with spiked shoulders, creases, big bright buttons, and the ridiculously HighCollarOfDoom.

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* FashionVictimVillain: Good thing it's a book series. Otherwise, it would have been difficult to take [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/riseoftheguardians/images/1/19/Pitch_in_the_books.png/revision/latest?cb=20130115131333 Pitch]] looks rather flamboyant, what's seriously, with his bristled long hair and the an ornate overcoat with outrageously [[SpikesOfVillainy spiked shoulders, creases, big bright buttons, shoulders]] and the ridiculously HighCollarOfDoom.
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* FashionVictimVillain: [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/riseoftheguardians/images/1/19/Pitch_in_the_books.png/revision/latest?cb=20130115131333 Pitch]] looks rather flamboyant, what's with his bristled long hair and the overcoat with spiked shoulders, creases, big bright buttons, and the ridiculously HighCollarOfDoom.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Pitch gets as much of this trope in the books as he does in the movie. Is he an irredeemable monster who destroyed completely the man who was Kozmotis by the Fearlings, or a very tragic character who is nothing more than a shadow of Kozmotis?
** Is there any trace of Kozmotis left in Pitch, or is he, as Emily Jane said "not able to be saved"?

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Pitch gets as much of this trope in the books as he does in the movie. Is he an irredeemable monster who destroyed completely the man who was Kozmotis by the Fearlings, or a very tragic character who is nothing more than a shadow of Kozmotis?
** *** Is there any trace of Kozmotis left in Pitch, or is he, as Emily Jane said "not able to be saved"?



* TearJerker: The stories are based on {{Fractured Fairy Tale}}s William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both Katherine and [[WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.

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The stories are based on {{Fractured Fairy Tale}}s William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both Katherine and [[WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.
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** Jack's ability to age at will has also been divise. Some see it as Joyce trying to pander to the Jack/Elsa crossover ship fans as many fanarts and fanfics will have Jack grow up or be Elsa's age in order to avoid the age difference squick. Yet very few bother to explain or acknowledge Jack's immortality and the fact that he's still a preteen. This is also made worse the fact that Joyce has approved of the Elsa ship outraging many on both sides.

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** Jack's ability to age at will has also been divise.divisive. Some see it as Joyce trying to pander to the Jack/Elsa crossover ship fans as many fanarts and fanfics will have Jack grow up or be Elsa's age in order to avoid the age difference squick. Yet very few bother to explain or acknowledge Jack's immortality and the fact that he's still a preteen. This is also made worse the fact that Joyce has approved of the Elsa ship outraging many on both sides.



* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both Katherine and [[WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.

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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales {{Fractured Fairy Tale}}s William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both Katherine and [[WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.
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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both Katherine and [[WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.

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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both Katherine and [[WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.
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* BrokenBase: The transformation of Nightlight into Jack Frost and adopting the movie's design while ignoring the origin and his sister has been a mix reception for some. There's those who see the change as Joyce trying to get the fandom's attention by having the more recognizable traits of Jack at the cost of Nightlight who had a more creative design for many. While others love movie Jack being part of the books (especially as DreamWorks has abandoned the movie) but wish they had kept his human origin than replacing Nightlight.

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* BrokenBase: The transformation of Nightlight into Jack Frost and adopting the movie's design while ignoring the origin and his sister has been a mix reception for some. There's those who see the change as Joyce trying to get the fandom's attention by having the more recognizable traits of Jack at the cost of Nightlight who had a more creative design for many. While others love movie Jack being part of the books (especially as DreamWorks [=DreamWorks=] has abandoned the movie) but wish they had kept his human origin than replacing Nightlight.
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** Jack's ability to age at will has also been divise. Some see it as Joyce trying to pander to the Jack/Elsa crossover ship fans as many fanarts and fanfics will have Jack grow up or be Elsa's age in order to avoid the age difference squick. Yet very few bother to explain or acknowledge Jack's immortality and the fact that he's still a preteen. This is also made worse the fact that Joyce has approved of the Elsa ship outraging many on both sides.
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* BrokenBase: The transformation of Nightlight into Jack Frost and adopting the movie's design while ignoring the origin and his sister has been a mix reception for some. There's those who see the change as Joyce trying to get the fandom's attention by having the more recognizable traits of Jack at the cost of Nightlight who had a more creative design for many. While others love movie Jack being part of the books (especially as DreamWorks has abandoned the movie) but wish they had kept his human origin than replacing Nightlight.
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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both Katherine and [[RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.

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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both Katherine and [[RiseOfTheGuardians [[WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Pitch, as much in the books than in the movie. Is he an irredeemable monster who destroyed completely the man who was Kozmotis by the Fearlings, or a very tragic character who is nothing more than a shadow of Kozmotis?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Pitch, Pitch gets as much of this trope in the books than as he does in the movie. Is he an irredeemable monster who destroyed completely the man who was Kozmotis by the Fearlings, or a very tragic character who is nothing more than a shadow of Kozmotis?
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** Is there any trace of Kozmotis left in Pitch, or is he, as Emily Jane "not able to be saved"?

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** Is there any trace of Kozmotis left in Pitch, or is he, as Emily Jane said "not able to be saved"?
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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both [[TheGuardiansOfChildhood Katherine]] and [[RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.

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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both [[TheGuardiansOfChildhood Katherine]] Katherine and [[RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.

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** Typhan as well, was he a loving surrogate father to Emily Jane, who did what he had to in order to protect the innocent from Emily Jane's wrath, or was he trying to force Emily Jane into accepting him as her new father, and immediately punished her the moment she attacked him?



* LoveItOrHateIt: The character of Typhan, a Titan/Constellation with the power to summon storms. Due to the rush writing in "Sandman and the War of Dreams" fan debate has arisen over whether he is a character of good or not. Typhan is an an ancient deity and an ally to the Golden Age, but has since become a shadow of his former self. After Emily Jane escapes the Dream Pirates, she drifts into his constellation, and fr over 10 years he raises her like his own daughter, and teaches her how to control storms herself. Emily has been waiting everyday for her father to come and find her, and after 10 years of grieving she finally takes out her frustration on a passing ship, breaking her vow to never cause harm to others. Typhan uses his own powers to counter act her's, but she has become too powerful. With the last of his strength, he seals her inside a shooting star and hurls her into space, where she later comes across the Sandman. Now, it is clear Wiliiam Joyce's intent was to make Typhan a deity of good (it even says so in the writing), and show that by the end of the book how Emily has grown and matured as a character. However, others have interpreted the story in another way entirely. Since we know so little about their relationship over the past 10 years, some people have come to see their relationship as a very unhealthy one; that Emily Jane did not appreciate Typhan making her his daughter, or that instead of lashing out at Emily Jane when she attacked the vessel, he should have tried reasoning with her, since she is not in a very stable place at the moment and years of isolation have finally taken its toll on her.
** There is no right or wrong answer. Regardless of the author's intended, the moment any piece of fiction is published, it becomes free game for the reader to interpret the material as they wish. However, there is no denying the fans that do side with the theory that Typhan is an evil character, are not shy about their opinion. These fans seem to view Typhan as worse than Pitch Black (who single handily destroyed the Golden Age and the lives of billions), and the Monkey King (the murderer of one of the main character's parents).
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Emily Jane is very, very appreciated by fans.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Pitch, as much in the books than in the movie. Is he an irredeemable monster who destroyed completely the man who was Kozmotis by the Fearlings, or a very tragic character who is nothing more than a shadow of Kozmotis?
** Is there any trace of Kozmotis left in Pitch, or is he, as Emily Jane "not able to be saved"?
** Emily Jane too, as Mother Nature. People argue that she is as neutral as she said, but if she is good or evil is left to interpretation of readers.

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** [[spoiler: Pretty much everything about General Kozmotis Pitchiner and his story. He was so great and he fell so far...they'd better include that in the next movie.]]

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** [[spoiler: Pretty much everything about General Kozmotis Pitchiner and his story. He was so great and he fell so far...they'd better include that in the next movie.]]]]
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* LoveItOrHateIt: The character of Typhan, a Titan/Constellation with the power to summon storms. Due to the rush writing in "Sandman and the War of Dreams" fan debate has arisen over whether he is a character of good or not. Typhan is an an ancient deity an ally to the Golden Age, but has since become a shadow of his former self. After Emily Jane escapes the Dream Pirates, she drifts into his constellation, and for the next 10 years he raises her like his own daughter, and teaches her how to control storms herself. Emily has been waiting everyday of her life for her father to come and find her, and after 10 years of grief she finally takes out her frustration on a passing ship, breaking her vow to never cause harm to others. Typhan uses his own powers to counter act her, but she has become too powerful. With the last of his strength, he seals her inside a shooting star and hurls her into space, where she later comes across the Sandman. Now, it is clear Wiliiam Joyce's intent was to make Typhan a deity of good (it even says so in the writing), and show that by the end of the book, how Emily has grown and matured as a character. However, others have interpreted the story in another way entirely. Since we know so little about their relationship over the past 10 years, some people have come to see their relationship as a very unhealthy one; that Emily Jane did not appreciate Typhan making her his daughter, or that instead of lashing out at Emily Jane when she attacked the vessel, he should have tried to reason with her, since she is not in a very stable place at the moment and years of isolation have finally taken its toll on her.
** There is no right or wrong answer. Regardless of the author's intended, the moment any piece of fiction is published, it becomes free game for the reader to interpret it the material as they see fit. However, there is no denying the fans that do side with the theory that Typhan is an evil character, are not shy about their opinion. Fans seem to view Typhan as worse than Pitch Black (who nearly single handily destroyed the Golden Age), and the Monkey King (the murderer of one of the main character's parents).

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* LoveItOrHateIt: The character of Typhan, a Titan/Constellation with the power to summon storms. Due to the rush writing in "Sandman and the War of Dreams" fan debate has arisen over whether he is a character of good or not. Typhan is an an ancient deity and an ally to the Golden Age, but has since become a shadow of his former self. After Emily Jane escapes the Dream Pirates, she drifts into his constellation, and for the next fr over 10 years he raises her like his own daughter, and teaches her how to control storms herself. Emily has been waiting everyday of her life for her father to come and find her, and after 10 years of grief grieving she finally takes out her frustration on a passing ship, breaking her vow to never cause harm to others. Typhan uses his own powers to counter act her, her's, but she has become too powerful. With the last of his strength, he seals her inside a shooting star and hurls her into space, where she later comes across the Sandman. Now, it is clear Wiliiam Joyce's intent was to make Typhan a deity of good (it even says so in the writing), and show that by the end of the book, book how Emily has grown and matured as a character. However, others have interpreted the story in another way entirely. Since we know so little about their relationship over the past 10 years, some people have come to see their relationship as a very unhealthy one; that Emily Jane did not appreciate Typhan making her his daughter, or that instead of lashing out at Emily Jane when she attacked the vessel, he should have tried to reason reasoning with her, since she is not in a very stable place at the moment and years of isolation have finally taken its toll on her.
** There is no right or wrong answer. Regardless of the author's intended, the moment any piece of fiction is published, it becomes free game for the reader to interpret it the material as they see fit.wish. However, there is no denying the fans that do side with the theory that Typhan is an evil character, are not shy about their opinion. Fans These fans seem to view Typhan as worse than Pitch Black (who nearly single handily destroyed the Golden Age), Age and the lives of billions), and the Monkey King (the murderer of one of the main character's parents).
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* LoveItOrHateIt: The character of Typhan, a Titan/Constellation with the power to summon storms. Due to the rush writing in "Sandman and the War of Dreams" fan debate has arisen over whether he is a character of good or not. Typhan is an an ancient deity an ally to the Golden Age, but has since become a shadow of his former self. After Emily Jane escapes the Dream Pirates, she drifts into his constellation, and for the next 10 years he raises her like his own daughter, and teaches her how to control storms herself. Emily has been waiting everyday of her life for her father to come and find her, and after 10 years of grief she finally takes out her frustration on a passing ship, breaking her vow to never cause harm to others. Typhan uses his own powers to counter act her, but she has become to powerful. With the last of his strength, he seals her inside a shooting star and hurls her into space, where she later comes across the Sandman. Now, it is clear Wiliiam Joyce's intent was to make Typhan a deity of good (it even says so in the writing), and show that by the end of the book how Emily has grown and matured as a character. However, others have interpreted the story in another way. Since we know so little about their relationship over the past 10 years, some people have come to see their relationship as very unhealthy, that Emily Jane did not appreciate Typhan making her his daughter, or that instead of lashing out at Emily Jane when she attacked the vessel, he should have tried to reason with her, since she is not in a very stable place at the moment and years of isolation have finally taken their toll on her.
** There is no right or wrong answer. Regardless of the author's intended, the moment any piece of fiction is published, it becomes free game for the reader to interpret it the material as they see fit. However, there is no denying the fan base that does side with the theory that Typhan is an evil character, are not shy about their opinion. Fans seem to view Typhan as worse than Pitch Black (who nearly single handily destroyed the Golden Age), and the Monkey King (the murderer of one of the main character's parents).

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* LoveItOrHateIt: The character of Typhan, a Titan/Constellation with the power to summon storms. Due to the rush writing in "Sandman and the War of Dreams" fan debate has arisen over whether he is a character of good or not. Typhan is an an ancient deity an ally to the Golden Age, but has since become a shadow of his former self. After Emily Jane escapes the Dream Pirates, she drifts into his constellation, and for the next 10 years he raises her like his own daughter, and teaches her how to control storms herself. Emily has been waiting everyday of her life for her father to come and find her, and after 10 years of grief she finally takes out her frustration on a passing ship, breaking her vow to never cause harm to others. Typhan uses his own powers to counter act her, but she has become to too powerful. With the last of his strength, he seals her inside a shooting star and hurls her into space, where she later comes across the Sandman. Now, it is clear Wiliiam Joyce's intent was to make Typhan a deity of good (it even says so in the writing), and show that by the end of the book book, how Emily has grown and matured as a character. However, others have interpreted the story in another way. way entirely. Since we know so little about their relationship over the past 10 years, some people have come to see their relationship as a very unhealthy, unhealthy one; that Emily Jane did not appreciate Typhan making her his daughter, or that instead of lashing out at Emily Jane when she attacked the vessel, he should have tried to reason with her, since she is not in a very stable place at the moment and years of isolation have finally taken their its toll on her.
** There is no right or wrong answer. Regardless of the author's intended, the moment any piece of fiction is published, it becomes free game for the reader to interpret it the material as they see fit. However, there is no denying the fan base fans that does do side with the theory that Typhan is an evil character, are not shy about their opinion. Fans seem to view Typhan as worse than Pitch Black (who nearly single handily destroyed the Golden Age), and the Monkey King (the murderer of one of the main character's parents).
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* LoveItOrHateIt: The character of Typhan, a Titan/Constellation with the power to summon storms. Due to the rush writing in "Sandman and the War of Dreams" fan debate has arisen over whether he is a character of good or not. Typhan is an an ancient deity an ally to the Golden Age, but has since become a shadow of his former self. After Emily Jane escapes the Dream Pirates, she drifts into his constellation, and for the next 10 years he raises her like his own daughter, and teaches her how to control storms herself. Emily has been waiting everyday of her life for her father to come and find her, and after 10 years of grief she finally takes out her frustration on a passing ship, breaking her vow to never cause harm to others. Typhan uses his own powers to counter act her, but she has become to powerful. With the last of his strength, he seals her inside a shooting star and hurls her into space, where she later comes across the Sandman. Now, it is clear Wiliiam Joyce's intent was to make Typhan a deity of good (it even says so in the writing), and show that by the end of the book how Emily has grown and matured as a character. However, others have interpreted the story in another way. Since we know so little about their relationship over the past 10 years, some people have come to see their relationship as very unhealthy, that Emily Jane did not appreciate Typhan making her his daughter, or that instead of lashing out at Emily Jane when she attacked the vessel, he should have tried to reason with her, since she is not in a very stable place at the moment and years of isolation have finally taken their toll on her.
** There is no right or wrong answer. Regardless of the author's intended, the moment any piece of fiction is published, it becomes free game for the reader to interpret it the material as they see fit. However, there is no denying the fan base that does side with the theory that Typhan is an evil character, are not shy about their opinion. Fans seem to view Typhan as worse than Pitch Black (who nearly single handily destroyed the Golden Age), and the Monkey King (the murderer of one of the main character's parents).
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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both [[TheGuardiansOfChildhood Katherine]] and [[RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.

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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both [[TheGuardiansOfChildhood Katherine]] and [[RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.published.
** [[spoiler: Pretty much everything about General Kozmotis Pitchiner and his story. He was so great and he fell so far...they'd better include that in the next movie.]]
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TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both [[TheGuardiansOfChildhood Katherine]] and [[RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.

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* TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both [[TheGuardiansOfChildhood Katherine]] and [[RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.
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TearJerker: The stories are based on FracturedFairyTales William Joyce told his kids when they were little. Both [[TheGuardiansOfChildhood Katherine]] and [[RiseOfTheGuardians Jack]] are likely named after his children Mary Katherine Joyce and Jack Joyce. CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, right? It is until you realize his daughter Katherine died before these books were published.

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