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** The ending is already a massive tearjerker, but the film makes it even ''worse'': not only do they show John, Rebecca, and Martha getting hanged, but they all begin reciting the Lord's Prayer as their last words. Rebecca and Martha both get hung as they're speaking, and John gets hung right before he can say "Amen." ''And then it just ends.''
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Cut as per the cleanup thread
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* CompleteMonster: Judge Hathorne clearly enjoys his power over life and death, and actively hobbles any attempt to stop the snowballing hysteria.
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These aren\'t YM Mv. Moving.
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade
** Although averted with Giles Corey, as he really did die in real life as the play portrayed, allowing his sons to keep the land that he would leave to them. By confessing or denying the accusation, his land would have been forfeit, but instead he kept silent, never affirming or denying the accusations, only asking for more weight to be pressed on him, until he was crushed to death.
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade
** Although averted with Giles Corey, as he really did die in real life as the play portrayed, allowing his sons to keep the land that he would leave to them. By confessing or denying the accusation, his land would have been forfeit, but instead he kept silent, never affirming or denying the accusations, only asking for more weight to be pressed on him, until he was crushed to death.
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* ChewingTheScenery: Proctor gets a few of these in the movie. "I say GOD IS DEAAAAAAAAAAD!" Fittingly, he is played by DanielDayLewis.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-dhzSPFiU&feature=related "BECAUSE IT IS MY NAAAAAAAAME!!"]]
** But then it's Daniel Day-Lewis. What do you expect?
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-dhzSPFiU&feature=related "BECAUSE IT IS MY NAAAAAAAAME!!"]]
** But then it's Daniel Day-Lewis. What do you expect?
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How so? Hathrone gets a free pass because at least that briefly explains his eligability for Monsterdom (though I\'d take him to the thread dealing with Complete Monsters to be on the safe side) but nothing is said to support Danforth\'s case on his monsterdom. Also, I don\'t think Evil is Sexy is the right trope to use on someone who, if research serves correct, was in her teens for most of the story... though I doubt myself about that. Still, just to be on the safe side...
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* CompleteMonster: Danforth goes beyond redemption.
** Judge Hathorne clearly enjoys his power over life and death, and actively hobbles any attempt to stop the snowballing hysteria.
* EvilIsSexy: Abigail Williams.
** Judge Hathorne clearly enjoys his power over life and death, and actively hobbles any attempt to stop the snowballing hysteria.
* EvilIsSexy: Abigail Williams.
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* CompleteMonster: Danforth goes beyond redemption.
**Judge Hathorne clearly enjoys his power over life and death, and actively hobbles any attempt to stop the snowballing hysteria.
* EvilIsSexy: Abigail Williams.hysteria.
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* EvilIsSexy: Abigail Williams.
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A character can\'t be a Complete Monster \"if a scene is omitted\". They either are or they aren\'t.
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** Judge Hathorne clearly enjoys his power over life and death, and actively hobbles any attempt to stop the snowballing hysteria.
** If the scene mentioned under AlternateCharacterInterpretation is omitted, Abigail can come across as this.
** If the scene mentioned under AlternateCharacterInterpretation is omitted, Abigail can come across as this.
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** Some people feel that Act 2, Scene 2 actually makes it easier to understand Abigail, since even though her reasons are messed up, at least she has a reason to accuse so many people. Omitting this scene and she (and the other girls) will appear to accuse these people to death for almost no reason at all other than to win over Proctor's bed.
*** Though the scene would have averted from empathizing the extent of the coldblooded cruelty that occurred in history.
*** Though the scene would have averted from empathizing the extent of the coldblooded cruelty that occurred in history.
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** Some people feel that Act 2, Scene 2 actually makes it easier to understand Abigail, since even though her reasons are messed up, at least she has a reason to accuse so many people. Omitting this scene and she (and the other girls) will appear to accuse these people to death for almost no reason at all other than to win over Proctor's bed.
***bed. Though the scene would have averted from empathizing the extent of the coldblooded cruelty that occurred in history.
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* CompleteMonster: Danforth goes beyond redemption. Abigail's pretty loathsome too.
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* MagnificentBitch: Abigail Williams manages to use her intelligence, her sexual attractiveness and even her sense of humour to manipulate everyone around her, even arguably managing a KarmaHoudini after essentially achieving mass murder.
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* MagnificentBitch: Abigail Williams manages to use her intelligence, her sexual attractiveness attractiveness, and even her sense of humour humor to manipulate everyone around her, even arguably managing a KarmaHoudini after essentially achieving mass murder.
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** Not to mention Elizabeth.
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** Not to mention Elizabeth.
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* {{Squick}}: The entire movie is really graphic during the rape scenes.
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* ValuesDissonance: Western audiences may be confused by In-ho's slow response to the obvious abuses occurring around him, but as corporal punishment was legal and widespread in South Korean schools until ''very'' recently, he's bound to be slow on the uptake.
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* ValuesDissonance: Western audiences may be confused by In-ho's slow response to the obvious abuses occurring around him, but as corporal punishment was legal and widespread in South Korean schools until ''very'' recently, he's bound to be slow on the uptake.uptake.
* WhatAnIdiot: After [[spoiler: Min-su's suicide]], the police officer tries to break up the rally by speaking into a megaphone. ''To deaf people.''
* WhatAnIdiot: After [[spoiler: Min-su's suicide]], the police officer tries to break up the rally by speaking into a megaphone. ''To deaf people.''
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* {{Squick}}: The entire movie is really graphic during the rape scenes.
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: The scene after Min-su commits suicide. Everyone who was protesting about the light punishment of the Lee twins gets hosed by the police. During the chaos In-ho holds up a framed picture of Min-su and brokenly says "This child's name is Min-su...he cannot hear or even speak.". It's heartbreaking because he keeps getting knocked over by the hose but he keeps getting back up.]]
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: The scene after Min-su commits suicide. Everyone who was protesting about the light punishment of the Lee twins gets hosed by the police. During the chaos In-ho holds up a framed picture of Min-su and brokenly says "This child's name is Min-su...he cannot hear or even speak.". It's heartbreaking because he keeps getting knocked over by the hose but he keeps getting back up.]]
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** Either she had been in prison long enough that she didn't know herself when she was arrested, or she simply hadn't told him she suspected she was. There were no pregnancy tests back then, and bad nutrition can make you skip periods. Until recently, a woman wasn't positive she was pregnant until she was probably five or six months along.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: And considering the recent ban on corporal punishment in South Korean schools, the scrapping of the statute of limitations on the reporting of sex crimes and other legislation to deal with abuse, the anvils seem to be having the desired effect.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: And considering the recent ban on corporal punishment in South Korean schools, the scrapping of the statute of limitations on the reporting of sex crimes and other the introduction of longer minimum sentences as part of overhaul on legislation to deal with surrounding abuse, the anvils seem to be having the desired effect.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: And considering the recent ban on corporal punishment in South Korean schools, the scrapping of the statute of limitations on the reporting of sex crimes and other legislation to deal with abuse, the anvils seem to be having the desired effect.
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* ValuesDissonance: Western audiences may be confused by In-ho's slow response to the obvious abuses occurring around him, but as corporal punishment is legal and widespread in South Korean schools, he's bound to be slow on the uptake.
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* ValuesDissonance: Western audiences may be confused by In-ho's slow response to the obvious abuses occurring around him, but as corporal punishment is was legal and widespread in South Korean schools, schools until ''very'' recently, he's bound to be slow on the uptake.
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* CompleteMonster: Park Bo-hyeon and the Lee twins (who all beat and sexually abuse their deaf students) and Yun Ja-ae, who dishes out [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown savage beatings]] bordering on torture to the children. If that wasn't enough, their clear lack of repentance and [[manipulation of the trial proceedings to successfully get themselves off the hook, including Yun intimidating Min-su's frail grandmother into settling outside of court, which she then taunts Yu-jin with,]] should convince you.
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* CompleteMonster: Park Bo-hyeon and the Lee twins (who all beat and sexually abuse their deaf students) and Yun Ja-ae, who dishes out [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown savage beatings]] bordering on torture to the children. If that wasn't enough, their clear lack of repentance and [[manipulation [[spoiler: successful manipulation of the trial proceedings to successfully get themselves off the hook, including Yun intimidating Min-su's frail grandmother into settling outside of court, which she then taunts Yu-jin with,]] should convince you.
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* CompleteMonster: Park Bo-hyeon and the Lee twins (who all beat and sexually abuse their deaf students) and Yun Ja-ae, who dishes out [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown savage beatings]] bordering on torture to the children. If that wasn't enough, their clear lack of repentance and [[manipulation of the trial proceedings to successfully get themselves off the hook, including Yun intimidating Min-su's frail grandmother into settling outside of court, which she then taunts Yu-jin with,]] should convince you.
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!!The Arthur Miller Play
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!!The Movie
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!!The Movie
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** But then it's Daniel Day-Lewis. What do you expect?expect?
!!The Korean Movie
* ValuesDissonance: Western audiences may be confused by In-ho's slow response to the obvious abuses occurring around him, but as corporal punishment is legal and widespread in South Korean schools, he's bound to be slow on the uptake.
!!The Korean Movie
* ValuesDissonance: Western audiences may be confused by In-ho's slow response to the obvious abuses occurring around him, but as corporal punishment is legal and widespread in South Korean schools, he's bound to be slow on the uptake.
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* FridgeLogic: John doesn't know his wife is pregnant. Assuming they're telling the truth, how exactly would that work?
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* EvilIsSexy: Abigail Williams.
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** Not to mention Elizabeth.
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-dhzSPFiU&feature=related "BECAUSE IT IS MY NAAAAAAAAME!!"]]
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-dhzSPFiU&feature=related "BECAUSE IT IS MY NAAAAAAAAME!!"]]NAAAAAAAAME!!"]]
** But then it's Daniel Day-Lewis. What do you expect?
** But then it's Daniel Day-Lewis. What do you expect?
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** Some people feel that Act 2, Scene 2 actually makes it's easier to understand Abigail, since even though her reasons are messed up, at least she has a reason to accuse so many people. Omitting this scene and she (and the other girls) will appear to accuse these people to death for almost no reason at all other than to win over Proctor's bed.
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** Some people feel that Act 2, Scene 2 actually makes it's it easier to understand Abigail, since even though her reasons are messed up, at least she has a reason to accuse so many people. Omitting this scene and she (and the other girls) will appear to accuse these people to death for almost no reason at all other than to win over Proctor's bed.
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* TheWoobie: Proctor, Hale, and Mary.Don't forget Rebecca who was originally believed to be the nicest person in Salem.
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* TheWoobie: Proctor, Hale, and Mary.Don't forget Rebecca Also Rebecca, who was originally believed to be the nicest person in Salem.
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* TheWoobie: Proctor, Hale, and Mary.
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No Real Life Examples Please and natter
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** YourMileageMayVary. Some people feel that Act 2, Scene 2 actually makes it's easier to understand Abigail, since even though her reasons are messed up, at least she has a reason to accuse so many people. Omitting this scene and she (and the other girls) will appear to accuse these people to death for almost no reason at all other than to win over Proctor's bed.
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** YourMileageMayVary. Some people feel that Act 2, Scene 2 actually makes it's easier to understand Abigail, since even though her reasons are messed up, at least she has a reason to accuse so many people. Omitting this scene and she (and the other girls) will appear to accuse these people to death for almost no reason at all other than to win over Proctor's bed.
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* CompleteMonster: Danforth is actually ''toned down'' compared to some of the real-life judges, but he still goes beyond redemption. Abigail's pretty loathsome too.
** YourMilageMayVary, Given the right amount of alternate character interpretation, no character falls into this territory. Danforth merely sees the issue in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]. He cannot fathom that there are shades of gray, which is why Hale's change of heart baffles him so.
*** Miller himself admitted in his ''Collected Plays'''s introduction that he regretted not making Danforth evil enough.
** YourMilageMayVary, Given the right amount of alternate character interpretation, no character falls into this territory. Danforth merely sees the issue in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]. He cannot fathom that there are shades of gray, which is why Hale's change of heart baffles him so.
*** Miller himself admitted in his ''Collected Plays'''s introduction that he regretted not making Danforth evil enough.
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* CompleteMonster: Danforth is actually ''toned down'' compared to some of the real-life judges, but he still goes beyond redemption. Abigail's pretty loathsome too.
** YourMilageMayVary, Given the right amount of alternate character interpretation, no character falls into this territory. Danforth merely sees the issue in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]. He cannot fathom that there are shades of gray, which is why Hale's change of heart baffles him so.
*** Miller himself admitted in his ''Collected Plays'''s introduction that he regretted not making Danforth evil enough.too.
** YourMilageMayVary, Given the right amount of alternate character interpretation, no character falls into this territory. Danforth merely sees the issue in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]. He cannot fathom that there are shades of gray, which is why Hale's change of heart baffles him so.
*** Miller himself admitted in his ''Collected Plays'''s introduction that he regretted not making Danforth evil enough.
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* MagnificentBitch: Abigail Williams manages to use her intelligence, her sexual attractiveness and even her sense of humour to manipulate everyone around her, even arguably managing a Karma Houdini after essentially achieving mass murder.
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-dhzSPFiU&feature=related "BECAUSE IT IS MY NAAAAAAAAME!!"]]
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\"Please don\'t use this on work\'s pages as a trope.\"
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* YouFailGeographyForever: The geography of Salem in the film version. While it was filmed in nearby Ipswich, the coasts of Salem and Ipswich are radically different. Ipswich has sandy beaches due to its exposed location and the Merrimac River's estuary extending along most of its coastline. Salem, on the other hand, is much more sheltered and rocky. This can still be seen in the parts of the city's coast that haven't been developed.
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** YourMilageMayVary, Given the right amount of alternate character interpretation, no character falls into this territory. Danforth merely sees the issue in terms of black and white. He cannot fathom that there are shades of gray, which is why Hale's change of heart baffles him so.
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** YourMilageMayVary, Given the right amount of alternate character interpretation, no character falls into this territory. Danforth merely sees the issue in terms of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white.white]]. He cannot fathom that there are shades of gray, which is why Hale's change of heart baffles him so.
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* YouFailGeographyForever: The geography of Salem in the film version. While it was filmed in nearby Ipswich, the coasts of Salem and Ipswich are radically different. Ipswich has sandy beaches due to its exposed location and the Merrimac River's estuary extending along most of its coastline. Salem, on the other hand, is much more sheltered and rocky. This can still be seen in the parts of the city's coast that haven't been developed.
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* YouFailGeographyForever: The geography of Salem in the film version. While it was filmed in nearby Ipswich, the coasts of Salem and Ipswich are radically different. Ipswich has sandy beaches due to its exposed location and the Merrimac River's estuary extending along most of its coastline. Salem, on the other hand, is much more sheltered and rocky. This can still be seen in the parts of the city's coast that haven't been developed.
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* ChaoticGood: John Proctor oozes this sentiment.
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