History YMMV / SuikodenII

** After [[VideoGame/SuikodenI his defeat]], Neclord returned to North Window and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktor’s LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tinto’s mayor, to be his brides.

* NarmCharm: Luca's massacre in Ryube is supposed to be REALLY scary and horrible. But, this particular moment was done in an extreme over the top way, including telling a woman to act like a pig and then with all the exclamation marks that the game like to abuse, "DIE, PIG!!!!!"... It is terrifying and showcases just horrendous Luca is, but in the same time, it was done in such an extremely cheesy manner that sometimes you couldn't help to laugh at how much pig hams Luca could chew in this scene.

* {{Narm}}: Possibly a positive example. Luca's massacre in Ryube is supposed to be REALLY scary and horrible. But, this particular moment was done in an extreme over the top way, including telling a woman to act like a pig and then with all the exclamation marks that the game like to abuse, "DIE, PIG!!!!!"... sometimes it transformed into a funny or a cheesy awesome scene instead of terrifying.

* NightmareFuel:
** Once again, [[http://firsthour.net/screenshots/suikoden-2/suikoden-2-luca-blight.JPG Luca Blight]], as well as the fate of the people of Muse (you even get to hear a man describe how his family was devoured in front of him).
** Millie's Groundhog Bonaparte. That is all.

%%** Hoi.

** Neclord is revealed to have crossed it even before his appearance in [[VideoGame/SuikodenI the first game]], by [[spoiler:stealing the Blue Moon Rune for himself, forcing his normally peaceful fellow vampires to kill other people to be able to sustain themselves]].

* ScrappyMechanic: The fact that unlike every other character in the game in order to have the [[spoiler:main character of the previous game]] in your party requires heading to Gregminster and talking to him every single time to do it. This wouldn't be a problem if the game didn't automatically remove all your party members during just about every story event sometimes within minutes of each other leading to situations where the player can trek all the way to Gregminster and get that character only for him to be ejected from the party a minute later, that actually going and getting him is sometimes not available, and that Gregminster is the only location in the game that the player can never just teleport straight to and back. This all adds up to a VERY tedious slog to get a character in your party over and over from the moment you recruit him that could have been easily avoided.

** [[BigBad Luca Blight]], the "[[TheCaligula Mad]] [[TheEvilPrince Prince]]" of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of many of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he [[OmnicidalManiac sacrifices the entire population of the city]] of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops [[CardCarryingVillain relishing in just how monstrous he truly is]].

* ThatOneSidequest: Recruiting the Squirrel Squad is ''still'' an enormous pain in the ass, even after fans have had a decade and a half to decode the most efficient possible methods of doing so. In 1998? Good luck!

* TheWoobie: Pilika.

* GoodBadBugs: You could just trivialize the fight against Luca Blight [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaPS7X6yaQc&feature=related with a glitch]] where ''he doesn't even attack you'' and only counterattacks if your character misses.

* NightmareFuel: Once again, [[http://firsthour.net/screenshots/suikoden-2/suikoden-2-luca-blight.JPG Luca Blight]], as well as the fate of the people of Muse (you even get to hear a man describe how his family was devoured in front of him).

* PlayerPunch: Several; the traditional one is [[spoiler: Nanami's sudden death]].

* TheScrappy: Hoi.

* MoralEventHorizon: Luca Blight [[SerialEscalation just loves pushing this to new levels]].

* GuideDangIt: Good luck finding all 108 Stars of Destiny on your own. And there are a good amount of unnoticeable [[GameBreakingBug glitches]] that you might walk into unintentionally.

* ThatOneBoss: The Abomination, who attacks you in lieu of Neclord in North Window. He's able to move twice per round and crushes your party for absolutely huge damage for this point. This is made worse by the fact that the only thing able to heal this off completely is Riou's Battle Oath, which you'll only have one cast of by this point in the game without excessive grinding. Fortunately, Fire Runes and Kahn's Resurrection Rune do massive damage to him!

--> "It took hundreds to kill me, but I slaughtered humans by the ''thousands''! Look at me! I am sublime! [[CardCarryingVillain I AM THE TRUE FACE OF EVIL!!!]]"

** [[BigBad Luca Blight]], [[TheCaligula the Mad Prince]] of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he sacrifices the entire population of the city of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops relishing in just how monstrous he truly is.

* CompleteMonster: [[YMMV/{{Suikoden}} Luca Blight and Neclord]]

* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious. Now, he isn't the ''worst'' character in the game, but he is required to be in your party on two separate lengthy occasions, which is why there's so much player hostility towards him.

* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious.

* GameBreaker: Sheena can become one of these, and there's also Georg Prime to consider.
** Killey, for the same reasons as Sheena, except he's even more powerful.
** Recruiting [[spoiler: the main character from the first game. The Soul Eater Rune is as awesome as ever.]]
** Because of [[http://suikodenbugfixes.wikispaces.com/Suikoden+II+Rune+Unite+Bug how the Rune Unites work]], one can place a [[MightyGlacier slower character]] in the first party slot to make the whole party cast up to ''five'' Rune Unites in one turn! Not bad for a game where mages are pretty useless by the late-game.
** Double-Beat rune, especially when compared with other runes or used by anyone with three rune slots. Add in Fury Rune and Double-Strike rune and you'll pretty much have a character who can get all, if not most action in battles. Even more so when you realize you can get Double Beat ''[[DiskOneNuke way early]]'' in the game, if the RandomNumberGod is merciful on you.

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or stubborn idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty, suggesting a political union, or any of the other myriad options available to him out of pride and refusal to deviate from his original course?

* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hai Yo, IronChef extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an ''awesome'' cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that [[MagikarpPower he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained]]. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in ''V''

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty or suggesting a political union?
* BadassDecay: Neclord in ''1'' was ThatOneBoss, perhaps because of limited Rune usage, and the fact that you are stuck with carrying Viktor, Cleo and Hix with him (bad news if you haven't been training Viktor and Cleo, but especially Hix, who was just a newcomer), and he boasts very powerful attacks and mass healing spells were hard to come by (you basically have to stick one character with the Water Rune). In here, he's subsequently A LOT more easier thanks to better Rune options, storywise having Sierra and Kahn gang up with him, you could put at most two out of Nanami, Kahn and/or Sierra into your Convoy, Magic being more powerful (and you can leave healing to Riou mostly). The only way you could screw up is if you burnt out all of your magic in the previous fight against the Stone Golem.

* CrackIsCheaper: Good luck finding this game nowadays for anything less than $100.
** No longer [[http://www.siliconera.com/2014/12/06/suikdoen-ii-arrives-playstation-network-next-week/ the case]] [[http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/22/looks-like-suikoden-ii-will-re-released-playstation-network/ anymore.]]

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war and try to assassinate his best friend instead of signing a peace treaty or suggesting a political union?

** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CNfOfvtA0I&hd=1 Imprisoned Town]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFQuIr4Mjig The Chase]]

* EnsembleDarkhorse: Viktor and Flik establish themselves as such herein. Because even if they play big part in here and previously, afterwards, ''they never appear again''.
** Luca Blight, not only regarded as among the most memorable parts of the game, but also probably the most popular villain in the entire series.
** Hai Yo, IronChef extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an ''awesome'' cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that [[MagikarpPower he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained]]. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in ''V''

* LoveToHate: Ask any of Luca Blight's fans why they like him, aside from the EvilIsCool above, it will be due to how appallingly evil he is.