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  • Alternate Character Interpretation: Is Jowy a Tragic Hero who is forced to fight his best friend or a stubborn, idiotic Karma Houdini who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty, suggesting a political union, or any of the other myriad options available to him out of pride and refusal to deviate from his original course?
  • Awesome Music: Gothic Neclord all the way!
  • Badass Decay: Neclord in 1 was That One Boss, perhaps because of limited Rune usage, and the fact that you are stuck with carrying Viktor, Cleo and Hix with him (bad news if you haven't been training Viktor and Cleo, but especially Hix, who was just a newcomer), and he boasts very powerful attacks and mass healing spells were hard to come by (you basically have to stick one character with the Water Rune). In here, he's subsequently A LOT easier thanks to better Rune options, storywise having Sierra and Kahn gang up with him, you could put at most two out of Nanami, Kahn and/or Sierra into your Convoy, Magic being more powerful (and you can leave healing to Riou mostly). The only way you could screw up is if you burnt out all of your magic in the previous fight against the Stone Golem.
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  • Catharsis Factor: Cutting down Luca Blight in, what can be easily considered, the toughest boss fight so far. It has multiple phases and is epic in scale and ends in a duel between Riou and the Mad Prince himself before he finally dies. And though the war and the game itself is still far from over, it is the ultimate defeat of Luca, who single-handedly committed most of the atrocities, that brings the player some long awaited satisfaction.
  • Complete Monster:
    • Prince Luca Blight, the "Mad Prince" of the Highland Kingdom, relishes in committing murder and expresses disgust to anything that dares live. Having his own child soldiers slaughtered by his men dressed as soldiers from Jowston, Luca happily provokes war just to enjoy the carnage. Burning a village to the ground, Luca makes a point of killing each and every person and when a woman begs for her life, forces her to act like a pig before shouting "Die pig!" when she complies to try and save herself. Decimating a fortress, Luca is found running a teenage boy through with his sword before trying to kill a young girl whose parents he had already murdered, and although she survives his attack, is rendered mute from the trauma. Sacrificing the entire population of a city to the Beast Rune in a bid for more power, Luca's war crimes prove to be so depraved he is eventually betrayed by the Highlanders who assist the player in defeating him, much to Luca's delight at the chance for combat this will provide him. Even dying, Luca declares himself "the true face of evil".
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    • Neclord reappears, see the original game's page for details.
  • Crack Pairing: Due to Luca constantly referring anyone as pigs, fanarts usually depicted him being paired with pigs (to be ridden, to joke around with, or to butcher).
  • Cult Classic
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Hai Yo, Chef of Iron extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an awesome cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in V
  • Even Better Sequel: There are many fans who consider this game to be superior to the original, as well as the best in the series.
  • Evil Is Cool: Luca Blight pretty well cemented himself in this position given his Dying Moment of Awesome when finally killing him takes three different parties fighting him in quick succession, along with being a reasonably challenging fight while he's at it.
  • Fan Nickname: Some fans call Freed Yamamoto Freedy because in the game his name is shortened to "Freed Y."
  • Game-Breaker: Has its own page.
  • Goddamned Bats: Sirens and DoReMi elves. They sure can be taken down very easily but they can inflict a wide array of nasty status effects if not taken out right away. For a video game series that usually averts this trope, these sure annoy some players.
  • Good Bad Bugs:
    • You could just trivialize the fight against Luca Blight with a glitch where he doesn't even attack you and only counterattacks if your character misses.
    • The infamous "Kindness Rune" bug which allows characters equipped with it to have a strength stat of 999note .
    • There's also the money bug once players recruit Hans the armorer that allows players to have max amounts of money just by doing a few certain steps in the menu choice.
    • Due to a glitch, certain characters (like Georg Prime, Hoi and Long Chan-Chan) may be at level 99 when recruited.
  • Guide Dang It!: Didn't press the block button at exactly the right time in the cutscene where Nanami is shot? Hope you weren't planning on getting the true ending!
  • Love to Hate: Ask any of Luca Blight's fans why they like him, aside from the Evil Is Cool above, it will be due to how appallingly and unapologetically evil he is.
  • Magnificent Bastard:
    • Jowy Atreides is The Hero Riou's best friend who defects to Highland to defeat them from within, assassinating Lady Annabelle of Muse and causing the downfall of Greenhill. Jowy proceeds to trick and poison King Agares Blight to place the psychopathic Luca Blight on the throne, before betraying and luring Luca to his death as well, ascending the throne by marrying Princess Jilia Blight. Realizing both sides hate each other two much to stop fighting, Jowy keeps the war going, even betraying his beloved former best friend and Riou's adoptive sister Nanami. Jowy keeps going to bring the war to a conclusion, planning on letting Highland and the Jowston states be absorbed into a new nation and create a new world, no matter what price he has to pay to get there.
    • Strategist Shu was once a student of the Silverberg family. After being banished, Shu becomes a cold, greedy man uninterested in the Jowston-Highland war, even forcing the heroes to beg him to join before forcing them into a challenge impossible to win. After they manage to still complete it, Shu takes charge with a series of ruthless, brilliant strategies that turn the tide against Highland, even coming up with a way of bringing down the monstrous Luca Blight. Anticipating Jowy's continuance of the war, Shu uses the little girl Pilika as a shield to force Jowy to back down from taking The Hero Riou and Nanami hostage. Despite his ruthless nature, Shu is devoted to the cause of Jowston and repeatedly demonstrates why he is one of the finest strategists to ever command in the Suikoden series.
  • Memetic Badass: Georg Prime, but Luca Blight contests his title.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Luca Blight crosses it by instigating the massacre of the Unicorn Youth Brigade and putting the blame on Jowston soldiers, in order to restart the war between Highland and Jowston.
    • Neclord is revealed to have crossed it even before his appearance in the first game, by stealing the Moon Rune for himself, forcing his normally peaceful fellow vampires to kill other people to be able to sustain themselves.
  • Narm Charm: Luca's massacre in Ryube is supposed to be REALLY scary and horrible. But, this particular moment was done in an extreme over the top way, including telling a woman to act like a pig and then with all the exclamation marks that the game like to abuse, "DIE, PIG!!!!!"... It is terrifying and showcases just horrendous Luca is, but in the same time, it was done in such an extremely cheesy manner that sometimes you couldn't help to laugh at how many hams of pigs Luca could chew in this scene.
  • Never Live It Down:
    • Despite his redemption and Big Damn Heroes moments, Chaco will always be remembered for being an obnoxious brat who stole your wallet and taunted you all over the place during the Two River arc.
    • Jess has it even worse than Chaco. While he does mellows down, fans don't forget his jerkass attitude and ungratefulness toward the hero during most of the game.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Has its own page.
  • Player Punch:
    • Pilika's life from meeting the hero to losing her voice is just the writers repeatedly socking the player in the gut.
    • The main trio is saved by Anabelle, mayor of Muse, who take them under her wing after they are exiled for a crime they didn't commit. In order to get closer to Lucca and put himself in a position of power within the Highland army, Jowy ends up betraying her by assassinating her in the middle of the night and by opening the gates of Muse, allowing the Highland army to launch a surprise attack. The main protagonist and his sister, Nanami, are left dumbfounded by this turn of events, and to top it all the crime is pinned on them.
    • Nanami's sudden death.
  • Scrappy Mechanic:
    • The fact that unlike every other character in the game in order to have the main character of the previous game in your party requires heading to Gregminster and talking to him every single time to do it. This wouldn't be a problem if the game didn't automatically remove all your party members during just about every story event sometimes within minutes of each other leading to situations where the player can trek all the way to Gregminster and get that character only for him to be ejected from the party a minute later, that actually going and getting him is sometimes not available, and that Gregminster is the only location in the game that the player can never just teleport straight to and back. This all adds up to a VERY tedious slog to get a character in your party over and over from the moment you recruit him that could have been easily avoided.
    • The times you need to choose between various recruits. First, you have Kasumi vs. Valeria, both returning characters from the first game that also assist in later recruitments, and the one not chosen is replaced in your Stars with Tomo, the only instance in the franchise of a single character having multiple Star assignments within a single game when it could have easily been avoided. Secondly, you're only given two Listening Crystals, but you have four possible monsters to use them on. If you want to fill your Star list, you need to recruit Feathernote  and avoid Rulodianote , which also locks you out of recruiting Chuchura.
  • Tear Jerker: There are a lot of these. Some moments are also mentioned above, in Player Punch.
  • That One Boss:
    • The Abomination, who attacks you in lieu of Neclord in North Window. He's able to move twice per round and crushes your party for absolutely huge damage for this point. This is made worse by the fact that the only thing able to heal this off completely is Riou's Battle Oath, which you'll only have one cast of by this point in the game without excessive grinding. Fortunately, Fire Runes and Kahn's Resurrection Rune do massive damage to him!
    • Luca Blight. The fight requires you to use three groups of six party members. Without preparation, several of them will likely be underequipped and underleveled. Luca is easily the toughest boss in the game, with incredible physical and magical resistance, and high HP for when you fight him. If either of the first two groups are defeated too quickly, the third one will have a very long battle on their hands. To make matters worse, he attacks three times per round, and all of his attacks are very damaging, with two of his possible attacks being able to hit multiple party members at once.
    • Only a few encounters after the above fight, there's a duel with Luca using the hero. You don't get the opportunity to save in between the two fights, so if you lose the duel, you have to start from the beginning. Even though his health bar is 25% full, he's still capable of taking several hits and dealing a lot of damage, and because of his personality in general, his quotes make it difficult to tell what his next action will be.
  • That One Sidequest:
    • Recruiting the Squirrel Squad is still an enormous pain in the ass, even after fans have had a decade and a half to decode the most efficient possible methods of doing so. In 1998? Good luck!
    • Clive's sidequest, a Timed Mission where you have to track down Elsa. To complete it, you have to reach a small village west of the final dungeon under 20 hours.
  • Tier-Induced Scrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious. Now, he isn't the worst character in the game, but he is required to be in your party on two separate lengthy occasions, which is why there's so much player hostility towards him.
  • Too Cool to Live: Genkaku, Anabelle and Elza.
  • The Woobie: Pilika.


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