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* BrokenBase: Some KOTOR fans object to the very idea of a KOTOR MMO for a variety of reasons, be it the need for a subscription or disliking MMOs in general. Within the community, the base is broken still further, over a variety of issues including the inclusion of the traditional Tank-DPS-Healer trinity, the decision to reduce space combat to a single-player mini-game, or complaints of the fact that only HumanoidAliens are available for play. And of course, it wouldn't be an MMORPG without people complaining about PvP, game balance, and all the tradional complaints. Even though the game isn't out yet.
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* BrokenBase: Some KOTOR fans object to the very idea of a KOTOR MMO for a variety of reasons, be it the need for a subscription or disliking MMOs [=MMOs=] in general. Within the community, the base is broken still further, over a variety of issues including the inclusion of the traditional Tank-DPS-Healer trinity, the decision to reduce space combat to a single-player mini-game, or complaints of the fact that only HumanoidAliens are available for play. And of course, it wouldn't be an MMORPG without people complaining about PvP, game balance, and all the tradional complaints. Even though the game isn't out yet.
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* BrokenBase: Some KOTOR fans object to the very idea of a KOTOR MMO for a variety of reasons, be it the need for a subscription or disliking MMOs in general. Within the community, the base is broken still further, over a variety of issues including the inclusion of the traditional Tank-DPS-Healer trinity, the decision to reduce space combat to a single-player mini-game, or complaints of the fact that only HumanoidAliens are available for play.
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* BrokenBase: Some KOTOR fans object to the very idea of a KOTOR MMO for a variety of reasons, be it the need for a subscription or disliking MMOs in general. Within the community, the base is broken still further, over a variety of issues including the inclusion of the traditional Tank-DPS-Healer trinity, the decision to reduce space combat to a single-player mini-game, or complaints of the fact that only HumanoidAliens are available for play. And of course, it wouldn't be an MMORPG without people complaining about PvP, game balance, and all the tradional complaints. Even though the game isn't out yet.
** Other minor complaints include the lack of a day/night cycle and the lack of swimming.
** Other minor complaints include the lack of a day/night cycle and the lack of swimming.
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* BrokenBase: Some KOTOR fans object to the very idea of a KOTOR MMO for a variety of reasons, be it the need for a subscription or disliking MMOs in general.
*** Between this game, and Drew Karpyshyn's ''Revan'' novel, it's a safe bet that many questions will be answered.
*** Between this game, and Drew Karpyshyn's ''Revan'' novel, it's a safe bet that many questions will be answered.
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* BrokenBase: Some KOTOR fans object to the very idea of a KOTOR MMO for a variety of reasons, be it the need for a subscription or disliking MMOs in general. \n*** Between this game, and Drew Karpyshyn's ''Revan'' novel, it's Within the community, the base is broken still further, over a safe bet variety of issues including the inclusion of the traditional Tank-DPS-Healer trinity, the decision to reduce space combat to a single-player mini-game, or complaints of the fact that many questions will be answered.only HumanoidAliens are available for play.
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* BrokenBase: Some fans don't like the idea of the next KOTOR game being an MMORPG at all.
** Occasionally borders on FanDumb considering the near-irrational refusal by some fans to accept the Devs' insistence that the game will be perfectly playable from a single player perspective, and that the game will contain a well-crafted storyline typical of Bioware [=RPGs=].
** Well, some at least have the opinion that an MMO shouldn't have significant story in their single player gameplay.
** And some have problems with MMORPG's from a gameplay perspective.
** They might also have issue with the whole "monthly fee" thing.
** And there's the fact that people have been waiting for a few years know for an end to the Kotor story. While The Old Republic will be answering many questions, a three hundred year time jump makes it hard to feel like this is a proper sequel.
** Occasionally borders on FanDumb considering the near-irrational refusal by some fans to accept the Devs' insistence that the game will be perfectly playable from a single player perspective, and that the game will contain a well-crafted storyline typical of Bioware [=RPGs=].
** Well, some at least have the opinion that an MMO shouldn't have significant story in their single player gameplay.
** And some have problems with MMORPG's from a gameplay perspective.
** They might also have issue with the whole "monthly fee" thing.
** And there's the fact that people have been waiting for a few years know for an end to the Kotor story. While The Old Republic will be answering many questions, a three hundred year time jump makes it hard to feel like this is a proper sequel.
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* BrokenBase: Some KOTOR fans don't like object to the very idea of the next a KOTOR game being an MMORPG at all.
** Occasionally borders on FanDumb considering the near-irrational refusal by some fans to accept the Devs' insistence that the game will be perfectly playable from a single player perspective, and that the game will contain a well-crafted storyline typical of Bioware [=RPGs=].
** Well, some at least have the opinion that anMMO shouldn't have significant story in their single player gameplay.
** And some have problems with MMORPG's from a gameplay perspective.
** They might also have issue with the whole "monthly fee" thing.
** And there's the fact that people have been waitingfor a few years know variety of reasons, be it the need for an end to the Kotor story. While The Old Republic will be answering many questions, a three hundred year time jump makes it hard to feel like this is a proper sequel.subscription or disliking MMOs in general.
** Occasionally borders on FanDumb considering the near-irrational refusal by some fans to accept the Devs' insistence that the game will be perfectly playable from a single player perspective, and that the game will contain a well-crafted storyline typical of Bioware [=RPGs=].
** Well, some at least have the opinion that an
** And some have problems with MMORPG's from a gameplay perspective.
** They might also have issue with the whole "monthly fee" thing.
** And there's the fact that people have been waiting
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** Blizz, [[PintSizedPowerhouse rocket-launching Jawa]], has been this for developer Daniel Erickson, an appreciation that is spreading.
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** Blizz, [[PintSizedPowerhouse rocket-launching Jawa]], has been this for developer Daniel Erickson, an appreciation that is spreading.spreading as beta testing gets under way.
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** Several of the Sith-aligned players' potential companions also fit this trope, such as Kaliyo Djannis for the Imperial Agent.
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* SceneryPorn: You can watch it through a shaky, handheld camera of some guy playing through at PAX and Tython ''still'' looks jaw-droppingly gorgeous.
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* SceneryPorn: You can watch it through a shaky, handheld camera of some guy playing through at PAX and Tython ''still'' looks jaw-droppingly gorgeous.gorgeous.
** [[WordOfGod According to the Developers]], the ''entire'' landscape is completely handcrafted, down to the lighting. So, if it's not SceneryGorn, it's this.
** [[WordOfGod According to the Developers]], the ''entire'' landscape is completely handcrafted, down to the lighting. So, if it's not SceneryGorn, it's this.
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This... Wall of Text should be left until the novel is actually released.
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*** Based on what is known from the leak of the novel (if its the actual book of course), is itself a major base breaker. Many fans are angry at the character assassination of the Jedi Exile (destruction of the character's backstory and achievements, essentially turning her into a completely ordinary Jedi) and a lot, if not all, the major developments in KOTOR II were retconned out. An example is Nihilus's hunger and devouring of the force is gone. Instead we have the Emperor who has the exact same ability and no one else has ever had the same ability. The Exile is no longer a Wound in the Force (as in, never was. The events of Malachor V separated her from the Force, then she simply decided to reconnect herself at a later point in time with no explanation). These 2 retcons raises the question of what exactly happened in 2 (like Darth Traya's goals or if she even exists anymore). How much a fan cares about these retcons is based on their opinion of KOTOR II or its status as a novel.
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*** Based on what is known from the leak of the novel (if its the actual book of course), is itself a major base breaker. Many fans are angry at the character assassination of the Jedi Exile (destruction of the character's backstory and achievements, essentially turning her into a completely ordinary Jedi) and a lot, if not all, the major developments in KOTOR II were retconned out. An example is Nihilus's hunger and devouring of the force is gone. Instead we have the Emperor who has the exact same ability and no one else has ever had the ability before him. The Exile is no longer a Wound in the Force (as in, never was. The events of Malachor V separated her from the Force, then she simply decided to reconnect herself at a later point in time with no explanation). These 2 retcons raises the question of what exactly happened in 2 (like Darth Traya's goals or if she even exists anymore). How much a fan cares about these retcons is based on their opinion of KOTOR II or its status as a novel.
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*** Based on what is known from the leak of the novel (if its the actual book of course), is itself a major base breaker. Many fans are angry at the character assassination of the Jedi Exile (destruction of the character's backstory and achievements, essentially turning her into a completely ordinary Jedi) and a lot, if not all, the major developments in KOTOR II were retconned out. An example is Nihilus's hunger and devouring of the force is gone. Instead we have the Emperor who has the exact same ability and no one else has ever had the ability before him.same ability. The Exile is no longer a Wound in the Force (as in, never was. The events of Malachor V separated her from the Force, then she simply decided to reconnect herself at a later point in time with no explanation). These 2 retcons raises the question of what exactly happened in 2 (like Darth Traya's goals or if she even exists anymore). How much a fan cares about these retcons is based on their opinion of KOTOR II or its status as a novel.
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*** Based on what is known from the leak of the novel (if its the actual book of course), is itself a major base breaker. Many fans are angry at the character assassination of the Jedi Exile and a lot, if not all, the major developments in KOTOR II were retconned out. An example is Nihilus's hunger and devouring of the force is gone. Instead we have the Emperor who has the exact same ability and no one else has ever had the ability before him. The Exile is no longer a Wound in the Force (as in, never was. The events of Malachor V separated her from the Force, then she simply decided to reconnect herself at a later point in time with no explanation). These 2 retcons raises the question of what exactly happened in 2 (like Darth Traya's goals or if she even exists anymore). How much a fan cares about these retcons is based on their opinion of KOTOR II or its status as a novel.
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*** Based on what is known from the leak of the novel (if its the actual book of course), is itself a major base breaker. Many fans are angry at the character assassination of the Jedi Exile (destruction of the character's backstory and achievements, essentially turning her into a completely ordinary Jedi) and a lot, if not all, the major developments in KOTOR II were retconned out. An example is Nihilus's hunger and devouring of the force is gone. Instead we have the Emperor who has the exact same ability and no one else has ever had the ability before him. The Exile is no longer a Wound in the Force (as in, never was. The events of Malachor V separated her from the Force, then she simply decided to reconnect herself at a later point in time with no explanation). These 2 retcons raises the question of what exactly happened in 2 (like Darth Traya's goals or if she even exists anymore). How much a fan cares about these retcons is based on their opinion of KOTOR II or its status as a novel.
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*** Based on what is known from the leak of the novel (if its the actual book of course), is itself a major base breaker. Many fans are angry at the character assassination of the Jedi Exile and a lot, if not all, the major developments in KOTOR II were retconned out. An example is Nihilus's hunger and devouring of the force is gone. Instead we have the Emperor who has the exact same ability and no one else has ever had the ability before him. The Exile is no longer a Wound in the Force (as in, never was. The events of Malachor V separated her from the Force, then she simply decided to reconnect herself at a later point in time with no explanation). These 2 retcons raises the question of what exactly happened in 2 (like Darth Traya's goals or if she even exists anymore). How much a fan cares about these retcons is based on their opinion of KOTOR II or its status as a novel.
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** Blizz, [[PintSizedPowerhouse rocket-launching Jawa]], has been this for developer Daniel Erickson, an appreciation that is spreading.
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** And finally - a release date ''has'' been announced!
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* CrazyAwesome: Meet Blizz, the Jawa with a ''rocket launcher!''
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** A patch released not long after the game will include a GayOption [[http://www.queerty.com/the-force-is-with-us-new-star-wars-rpg-adds-gay-option-20110918/ with your companions]].
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Each of the cinematic trailers showcases a CMOA for one of the factions.
** Some of Gnost Daral's videos tell you of others during the war. For instance: A Jedi commander and his badly outnumbered army (numbering about 4,000 including several dozen Jedi) caused a Sith army numbering about 50,000 a ''PyrrhicVictory'' to take the world, fighting to the last man. There's also another about a female smuggler that led a fleet of other smuggler ships against a ''Mandalorian battle fleet. And won'' with help from Republic reinforcements.
** The "Hope" Trailer. When Satele Shan ignited her light saber... then ignited the ''[[SoCoolItsAwesome second]]'' blade of her light saber.
** The "Return" trailer have one for each main character.
*** The smuggler's [[UnflinchingWalk Unflinching Walk]] while gunning down several Sith soldiers.
*** The ''Sithpuncher'' trooper. He keeps his nickname for shooting Darth Malgus's master with a rocket launcher.
*** The entire Jedi/Sith fight. Especially the part where Darth Malgus is about to cut Satele down. Satele's master throws his own lightsaber to deflect Malgus' and save her, gambling that Malgus' master, who was between them, would duck instead of block it.
**** And, within that fight, the infamous [[BeyondTheImpossible triple]]-[[SoCoolItsAwesome wield]].
** Some of Gnost Daral's videos tell you of others during the war. For instance: A Jedi commander and his badly outnumbered army (numbering about 4,000 including several dozen Jedi) caused a Sith army numbering about 50,000 a ''PyrrhicVictory'' to take the world, fighting to the last man. There's also another about a female smuggler that led a fleet of other smuggler ships against a ''Mandalorian battle fleet. And won'' with help from Republic reinforcements.
** The "Hope" Trailer. When Satele Shan ignited her light saber... then ignited the ''[[SoCoolItsAwesome second]]'' blade of her light saber.
** The "Return" trailer have one for each main character.
*** The smuggler's [[UnflinchingWalk Unflinching Walk]] while gunning down several Sith soldiers.
*** The ''Sithpuncher'' trooper. He keeps his nickname for shooting Darth Malgus's master with a rocket launcher.
*** The entire Jedi/Sith fight. Especially the part where Darth Malgus is about to cut Satele down. Satele's master throws his own lightsaber to deflect Malgus' and save her, gambling that Malgus' master, who was between them, would duck instead of block it.
**** And, within that fight, the infamous [[BeyondTheImpossible triple]]-[[SoCoolItsAwesome wield]].
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* EvilIsCool: When the Sith Assassins lurking inside the crashed starship ignited their blades, it was one of the coolest moments of the entire trailer. Thats not even mentioning how [[BadAss badass]] Malgus is in both trailers.
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* EvilIsCool: When the Sith Assassins lurking inside the crashed starship ignited their blades, it was one of the coolest moments of the entire trailer. Thats not even mentioning how [[BadAss badass]] Malgus is in both all the trailers.
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** People complaining about the pre-order fee for the digital download, unaware of the massive demand.
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**** And, within that fight, the infamous [[BeyondTheImpossible triple]]-[[SoCoolItsAwesome wield]].
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If I have to, I can find both an interview where they say that they want to answer all of the questions from the games, and an interview with Drew about his new book...
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*** Between this game, and Drew Karpyshyn's ''Revan'' novel, it's a safe bet that many questions will be answered.
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** The "Hope" Trailer. When the Satele Shan ignited her light saber... then ignited the ''[[SoCoolItsAwesome second]]'' blade of her light saber.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Nico Okarr, despite having less screen time in Return than anyone else except the trooper, was definitely the star of the show.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Nico Okarr, despite having less screen time in Return than anyone else except the trooper, was definitely the star of the show.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Each of the two cinematic trailers showcases a CMOA for one of the factions.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Each of the two cinematic trailers showcases a CMOA for one of the factions.
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** The "Return" trailer have one to each main character.
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** The "Return" trailer have one to for each main character.
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** The "Return" trailer have one to each main character.
*** The smuggler's [[UnflinchingWalk Unflinching Walk]] while gunning down several Sith soldiers.
*** The ''Sithpuncher'' trooper. He keeps his nickname for shooting Darth Malgus's master with a rocket launcher.
*** The entire Jedi/Sith fight.
*** The smuggler's [[UnflinchingWalk Unflinching Walk]] while gunning down several Sith soldiers.
*** The ''Sithpuncher'' trooper. He keeps his nickname for shooting Darth Malgus's master with a rocket launcher.
*** The entire Jedi/Sith fight.
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** And there's the fact that people have been waiting for a few years know for an end to the Kotor story. While The Old Republic will be answering many questions, a three hundred year time jump makes it hard to feel like this is a proper sequel.
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** I think it has to do with the whole "monthly fee" thing.
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** I think it has to do They might also have issue with the whole "monthly fee" thing.
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** Well, some at least have the opinion that "MMOs" shouldn't have significant story in their single player gameplay.
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** Some of Gnost Daral's videos tell you of others during the war. For instance: A Jedi commander and his badly outnumbered army (numbering about 4,000 including several dozen Jedi) caused a Sith army numbering about 50,000 a ''PyhrricVictory'' to take the world, fighting to the last man. There's also another about a female smuggler that led a fleet of other smuggler ships against a ''Mandalorian battle fleet. And won'' with help from Republic reinforcements.
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** Some of Gnost Daral's videos tell you of others during the war. For instance: A Jedi commander and his badly outnumbered army (numbering about 4,000 including several dozen Jedi) caused a Sith army numbering about 50,000 a ''PyhrricVictory'' ''PyrrhicVictory'' to take the world, fighting to the last man. There's also another about a female smuggler that led a fleet of other smuggler ships against a ''Mandalorian battle fleet. And won'' with help from Republic reinforcements.
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** I think it has to do with the whole "monthly fee" thing.
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** [[TaintedByThePreview It started well before there was any actual info on the game out.]]
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* SceneryPorn: You can watch it through a shaky, handheld camera of some guy playing through at PAX and Tython ''still'' looks jaw-droppingly gorgeous.
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** The "Hope" Trailer. When the Jedi knight ignited her light saber... then ignited the ''[[SoCoolItsAwesome second]]'' blade of her light saber.