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* IKnewIt: Almost immediately after Lucasfilm announced that the old Expanded Universe had been ExiledFromContinuity and rebranded as ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'', fans of EnsembleDarkhorse Grand Admiral Thrawn started insisting that Thrawn would show up in the new Expanded Universe eventually. They were absolutely ''adamant'' that he was still around, even though Creator/TimothyZahn's ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy''--where he was introduced, and later [[spoiler: KilledOffForReal]]--had officially never happened. But in 2016, it turned out that they were right after all: it was announced that Thrawn would appear in Season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', and that Zahn would be penning the new novel ''Star Wars: Thrawn'', which would officially reintroduce everyone's favorite [[VillainInAWhiteSuit Chiss in White]] with a new {{canon}} backstory.
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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka, and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance.[[note]] That being said, once the Expanded Universe got up and running, it's generally agreed that it overall did an excellent job of tying stories into one another and brushing over seeming contradictions without resorting to complete retcons.[[/note]] Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept. However, others took his statements to mean that visual media (TV Shows, Live-Action series and videogames) will take lesser media (Comicbooks, literature, etc) as more of a vague outline rather than fully canon, which many feel is the return of the Canon Ranking system used in the discontinued ''Legends'' timeline (Visual media trumps all other media).

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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka, and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance.[[note]] That being said, once the old Expanded Universe got up and running, it's generally agreed that it overall did an excellent job of tying stories into one another and brushing over seeming contradictions without resorting to complete retcons.[[/note]] Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept. However, others took his statements to mean that visual media (TV Shows, Live-Action series and videogames) will take lesser media (Comicbooks, literature, etc) as more of a vague outline rather than fully canon, which many feel is the return of the Canon Ranking system used in the discontinued ''Legends'' timeline (Visual media trumps all other media).
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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance.[[note]] That being said, once the Expanded Universe got up and running, it's generally agreed that it overall did an excellent job of tying stories into one another and brushing over seeming contradictions without resorting to complete retcons.[[/note]] Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept. However, others took his statements to mean that visual media (TV Shows, Live-Action series and videogames) will take lesser media (Comicbooks, literature, etc) as more of a vague outline rather than fully canon, which many feel is the return of the Canon Ranking system used in the discontinued ''Legends'' timeline (Visual media trumps all other media).

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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka Ahsoka, and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance.[[note]] That being said, once the Expanded Universe got up and running, it's generally agreed that it overall did an excellent job of tying stories into one another and brushing over seeming contradictions without resorting to complete retcons.[[/note]] Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept. However, others took his statements to mean that visual media (TV Shows, Live-Action series and videogames) will take lesser media (Comicbooks, literature, etc) as more of a vague outline rather than fully canon, which many feel is the return of the Canon Ranking system used in the discontinued ''Legends'' timeline (Visual media trumps all other media).
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** The polarizing AlternateContinuity[=/=]CanonDiscontinuity decision that Disney made had the perk of definitively de-canonizing several unpopular works, such as the infamous ''Literature/TheCrystalStar'', the notorious ''[[Film/TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial Star Wars Holiday Special]]'' (which was '''still''' considered canon at that time in spite of [[CreatorBacklash George Lucas's hatred of it]]), and the ''[[Literature/TheGloveOfDarthVader Jedi Prince]]'' books which had Emperor Palpatine's three-eyed son Triclops and his grandson Ken the Jedi Prince (though he was actually an experiment made by the Empire.)
** Other works which may be more popular but also prone to causing a BrokenBase were also de-canonized, like the stories of Karen Traviss, accused of [[CharacterShilling shilling the Mandalorians]] at the expense of the Jedi, the DarkerAndEdgier novels starting with ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' that killed Chewbacca, and ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed'' games where the PlayerCharacter Galen Marek/Starkiller was polarizing (whether or not he's actually a good character is up for debate, but a lot of fans agree that the character was overpowered).
** Despite their de-canonization of many works (majority of which are either too unpopular or convoluted), Disney has included the popular and well-known previously established ''Franchise/StarWars'' installments that George Lucas created or was directly involved in (i.e. the Original Trilogy, the Prequel Trilogy, and ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'') to be canon and part of their new EU.
** A few elements have already been left as established canon, such as the novel ''Tarkin'' keeping the title character's first name as Wilhuff and naming off several Imperial Senate members that were already given names, and the mobile game Star Wars: Commander establishing several ships, weapons, and vehicles from previous EU works as canon, thus giving them status as well.
** In minor news, WordOfGod stated on Twitter that "jizz" music is no longer called as such in this EU, now being called Bith jazz.
** There were several HumanAlien species in ''Legends'' that had no clear cut differences from humans to the point of them otherwise being human in all but name, which was either criticized for being unimaginative at best or bearing unfortunate cultural connotations at worst. The Canon reboot has either avoided them or retconned most of them into human ethnic groups, such as Chalactans (Depa Billaba's race) now just being humans from Chalacta instead of an entirely different species (similar to Corellians being humans from Corellia). A related retcon came in the form of establishing that Tholothians are RubberForeheadAliens with cranial scales and head-tendrils.[[note]]Prior to the name being introduced in supplemental material for the ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'', Adi Gallia and Stass Allie were frequently written as humans that wore cultural headdresses in ''Legends'' stories; the material that introduced the name did not clarify what biologically distinguished Tholothians from humans at the time.[[/note]]
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Thrawn's hyper-fixation with art, hyper-attention to detail, occasional awkwardness, and misreading of social cues (especially with the ever-shifting field of politics) could have been written off as the Chiss being a PlanetOfHats. Only ''[[Literature/StarWarsThrawnAscendancyChaosRising Thrawn Ascendancy: Chaos Rising]]'' subverts this and shows that Thrawn is just as much an outlier among his own people as he is among humans. General fanon consensus is he's autistic or somewhere on that spectrum.

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* HilariousInHindsight: The romanji for Thrawn according to Google Translate is Sloan. Guess who else is a Grand Admiral in the new canon?

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The romanji for Thrawn according to Google Translate is Sloan. Guess who else is a Grand Admiral in the new canon?canon?
** Some fans greeted the new Expanded Universe because they weren't happy about how canonicity worked with the old Expanded Universe, given that it took things a while to standardize. Now, the Disney Expanded Universe is even lighter on keeping a standard canon than the old one!
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* ReplacementScrappy: Many fans of the old expanded universe (now known as Legends) have this opinion about the new expanded universe.
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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance. Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept. However, others took his statements to mean that visual media (TV Shows, Live-Action series and videogames) will take lesser media (Comicbooks, literature, etc) as more of a vague outline rather than fully canon, which many feel is the return of the Canon Ranking system used in the discontinued ''Legends'' timeline (Visual media trumps all other media).

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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance. [[note]] That being said, once the Expanded Universe got up and running, it's generally agreed that it overall did an excellent job of tying stories into one another and brushing over seeming contradictions without resorting to complete retcons.[[/note]] Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept. However, others took his statements to mean that visual media (TV Shows, Live-Action series and videogames) will take lesser media (Comicbooks, literature, etc) as more of a vague outline rather than fully canon, which many feel is the return of the Canon Ranking system used in the discontinued ''Legends'' timeline (Visual media trumps all other media).

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* {{Misblamed}}: Given Creator/JJAbrams' reboot of ''Franchise/StarTrek'', don't be surprised if you see fans accusing J.J. of wiping out the ''Star Wars'' EU canon. Also, don't be surprised if you see people blaming Creator/GeorgeLucas or Disney's decision. The policy does largely follow what was George's own position towards the former EU back when he was in charge, but that was always his position and never pretended otherwise. As for Disney, they did not make the choice to wipe the EU and they're smart enough to let Lucasfilm handle the reins, so ExecutiveMeddling by Disney very rarely happens to the new ''Star Wars'' stories. The EU wipe was decided by Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm.

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* {{Misblamed}}: Given Creator/JJAbrams' reboot of ''Franchise/StarTrek'', don't be surprised if you see fans accusing J.J. of wiping out the ''Star Wars'' EU canon. Also, don't be surprised if you see people blaming Creator/GeorgeLucas or Disney's decision. The policy does largely follow what was George's own position towards the former EU back when he was in charge, but that was always his position and never pretended otherwise. As for Disney, they did not make the choice to wipe the EU and they're smart enough to let Lucasfilm handle the reins, so ExecutiveMeddling by Disney very rarely happens to the new ''Star Wars'' stories. The EU wipe was decided by Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm.


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* ReplacementScrappy: Many fans of the old expanded universe (now known as Legends) have this opinion about the new expanded universe.
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** There were several HumanAlien species in ''Legends'' that had no clear cut differences from humans to the point of them otherwise being human in all but name, which was either criticized for being unimaginative at best or bearing unfortunate cultural connotations at worst ([[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment the details of which we won't go into much further]]). The Canon reboot has either avoided them or retconned most of them into human ethnic groups, such as Chalactans (Depa Billaba's race) now just being humans from Chalacta instead of an entirely different species (similar to Corellians being humans from Corellia). A related retcon came in the form of establishing that Tholothians are RubberForeheadAliens with cranial scales and head-tendrils.[[note]]Prior to the name being introduced in supplemental material for the ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'', Adi Gallia and Stass Allie were frequently written as humans that wore cultural headdresses in ''Legends'' stories; the material that introduced the name did not clarify what biologically distinguished Tholothians from humans at the time.[[/note]]

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** There were several HumanAlien species in ''Legends'' that had no clear cut differences from humans to the point of them otherwise being human in all but name, which was either criticized for being unimaginative at best or bearing unfortunate cultural connotations at worst ([[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment the details of which we won't go into much further]]).worst. The Canon reboot has either avoided them or retconned most of them into human ethnic groups, such as Chalactans (Depa Billaba's race) now just being humans from Chalacta instead of an entirely different species (similar to Corellians being humans from Corellia). A related retcon came in the form of establishing that Tholothians are RubberForeheadAliens with cranial scales and head-tendrils.[[note]]Prior to the name being introduced in supplemental material for the ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'', Adi Gallia and Stass Allie were frequently written as humans that wore cultural headdresses in ''Legends'' stories; the material that introduced the name did not clarify what biologically distinguished Tholothians from humans at the time.[[/note]]
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* FanNickname: The ''Filoni-Verse'' is the name many fans use to refer to the shows producer and writer Creator/DaveFiloni has directly worked on such as ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'', ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' and ''Series/TheMandalorian'' since the four shows [[ContinuityPorn continue the storylines he created or co-created]] with a nice sideplate of [[TheBusCameBack returning characters]], {{Continuity Nod}}s and MythologyGags.
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** There's the division in the fanbase between the "Small Galaxiers" (a derogatory term used to describe them) who want more interconnectivity in the stories, and those who want the stories to be less interconnected or not connected at all to the Skywalker Saga, with the former camp being highly supportive of producer Dave Filoni's tendency to interconnect his storylines and characters, while the latter being very supportive of the Sequel Trilogy (except ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'') and the ''High Republic'' sub-franchise.

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** There's the division in the fanbase between the "Small Galaxiers" (a derogatory term used to describe them) who want more interconnectivity in the stories, stories and characters, and those who want the stories to be less interconnected or not connected at all to able stand for themselves without the Skywalker Saga, need for watching TV shows or reading tie-in material to understand what's happening (most notably by avoiding using established characters and mentioning events), with the former camp being highly supportive of producer Dave Filoni's tendency to interconnect his storylines and characters, while the latter being very supportive of the Sequel Trilogy (except ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'') and the ''High Republic'' sub-franchise.
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** In minor news, WordOfGod stated on Twitter that"jizz" music is no longer called as such in this EU, now being called Bith jazz.

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** In minor news, WordOfGod stated on Twitter that [[UnfortunateNames "jizz"]] music is no longer called as such in this EU, now being called Bith jazz.

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** In minor news, WordOfGod stated on Twitter that [[UnfortunateNames "jizz"]] that"jizz" music is no longer called as such in this EU, now being called Bith jazz.
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** Other works which may be more popular but also prone to causing a BrokenBase were also de-canonized, like the stories of Karen Traviss, accused of [[CharacterShilling shilling]] [[CreatorsPet the Mandalorians]] at the expense of the Jedi, the DarkerAndEdgier novels starting with ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' that killed Chewbacca, and ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed'' games where the PlayerCharacter Galen Marek/Starkiller was polarizing (whether or not he's actually a good character is up for debate, but a lot of fans agree that the character was overpowered).

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** Other works which may be more popular but also prone to causing a BrokenBase were also de-canonized, like the stories of Karen Traviss, accused of [[CharacterShilling shilling]] [[CreatorsPet shilling the Mandalorians]] at the expense of the Jedi, the DarkerAndEdgier novels starting with ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' that killed Chewbacca, and ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed'' games where the PlayerCharacter Galen Marek/Starkiller was polarizing (whether or not he's actually a good character is up for debate, but a lot of fans agree that the character was overpowered).
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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance. Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept.

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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance. Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept. However, others took his statements to mean that visual media (TV Shows, Live-Action series and videogames) will take lesser media (Comicbooks, literature, etc) as more of a vague outline rather than fully canon, which many feel is the return of the Canon Ranking system used in the discontinued ''Legends'' timeline (Visual media trumps all other media).
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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance. On the other hand, the Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation.

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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance. On the other hand, the Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation.interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept.
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** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance. On the other hand, the Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation.
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** There's the division in the fanbase between the "Small Galaxiers" (a derogatory term used to describe them) who want more interconnectivity in the stories and those who want the stories to be less interconnected or not connected at all to the Skywalker Saga, with the former camp being highly supportive of producer Dave Filoni's tendency to interconnect his storylines and characters while the latter being very supportive of the Sequel Trilogy (except ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'') and the ''High Republic'' sub-franchise.

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** There's the division in the fanbase between the "Small Galaxiers" (a derogatory term used to describe them) who want more interconnectivity in the stories stories, and those who want the stories to be less interconnected or not connected at all to the Skywalker Saga, with the former camp being highly supportive of producer Dave Filoni's tendency to interconnect his storylines and characters characters, while the latter being very supportive of the Sequel Trilogy (except ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'') and the ''High Republic'' sub-franchise.

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