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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: With the eventual revelation/retcon that Julian Bashir is actually a genetically-augmented superhuman whose entire life bears the pattern-scars of self-sabotage rooted in a terrified fear of discovery and self-loathing towards talents he does not see as rightly his own, it's easy to read the simulation program as representing a very different sort of WishFulfillment for him than was originally conceived: a world where he gets to fully exercise his incredible gifts without restraint or fear of discovery, and be rewarded and celebrated for them rather than potentially expose himself and ruin his own life.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: With the eventual revelation/retcon that Julian Bashir is actually a genetically-augmented superhuman whose entire life bears the pattern-scars of self-sabotage rooted in a terrified fear of discovery and self-loathing towards talents he does not see as rightly his own, it's easy to read the simulation spy program as representing a very different sort of WishFulfillment for him than was originally conceived: a world where he gets to fully exercise his incredible gifts without restraint or fear of discovery, and be rewarded and celebrated for them rather than potentially expose risk exposing himself and ruin ruining his own life.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: With the eventual revelation/retcon that Julian Bashir is actually a genetically-augmented superhuman whose entire life bears the pattern-scars of self-sabotage rooted in a terrified fear of discovery and self-loathing towards talents he does not see as rightly his own, it's easy to read the simulation program as representing a very different sort of WishFulfillment for him than was originally conceived: a world where he gets to fully exercise his incredible gifts without restraint or fear of discovery, and be rewarded and celebrated for them rather than potentially expose himself and ruin his own life.
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* SpiritualSuccessor: To the [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG]] episode "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS4E20Qpid Qpid]]". Whereas "Qpid" was made to capitalize on the release of ''Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves'', "Our Man Bashir" was made to capitalize on the release of ''Film/GoldenEye''.
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misuse: Ham And Cheese refers to intentional overacting in a work that is perceived to be bad. This episode is a fan favorite as far as I know.


* HamAndCheese:
** Avery Brooks, in the role of an intentionally campy OmnicidalManiac Bond villain, wolfed down the scenery and went back for seconds.
** As does Nana Visitor, who in this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC_fXKgyaQg interview]], said she was in heaven because her Bond girl role called for a [[FakeRussian comically terrible Russian accent]] and coming out of a wall on a round bed. She is visibly luxuriating in it every moment she is onscreen.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[DiabolicalMastermind Dr. Hippocrates Noah]] is a brilliant MadScientist created as the villain in Julian Bashir's Secret Agent Holodeck program. Kidnaping several of the world's most brilliant minds by luring them into a trap, Noah has all of them brought to his base on the slope of Mount Everest. Noah developed a series of powerful lasers and placed them at specific spots all over the Earth. When Bashir is brought to his base, Noah [[EvilIsHammy dramatically]] reveals his EvilPlan, believing that human decadence has ruined the world, Noah plans to use his lasers to raise the sea level and kill everyone on Earth except those in his base, who he will then use to repopulate the world. Noah has Bashir and Garak tied up beneath one of the lasers and when Bashir escapes and pretends to have turned to Noah's side, Noah simply calls his bluff and tries to kill him.

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** There was a minor internet push for Creator/AlexanderSiddig to become the next Bond after Creator/DanielCraig seemed about to retire from the role following ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', though Craig ended up sticking around for one more film.
* MagnificentBastard: [[DiabolicalMastermind Dr. Hippocrates Noah]] is a brilliant MadScientist created as the villain in Julian Bashir's Secret Agent Holodeck program. Kidnaping several of the world's most brilliant minds by luring them into a trap, Noah has all of them brought to his base on the slope of Mount Everest. Noah developed a series of powerful lasers and placed them at specific spots all over the Earth. When Bashir is brought to his base, Noah [[EvilIsHammy dramatically]] reveals his EvilPlan, believing that human decadence has ruined the world, Noah plans to use his lasers to raise the sea level and kill everyone on Earth except those in his base, who he will then use to repopulate the world. Noah has Bashir and Garak tied up beneath one of the lasers and when Bashir escapes and pretends to have turned to Noah's side, Noah simply calls his bluff and tries to kill him.him.
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** Similarly, the plan of this hammy, bald supervillain is to wipe out the population of Earth by drilling into the planet's crust and unleashing large amounts of molten lava. While the exact method was a little different, the same basic scheme would be deployed by Dr. Evil in ''Film/AustinPowers'' (another ''FranchiseJamesBond'' parody) the following year.

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** Similarly, the plan of this hammy, bald supervillain is to wipe out the population of Earth by drilling into the planet's crust and unleashing large amounts of molten lava. While the exact method was a little different, the same basic scheme would be deployed by Dr. Evil in ''Film/AustinPowers'' (another ''FranchiseJamesBond'' ''Franchise/JamesBond'' parody) the following year.
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** Similarly, the plan of this hammy, bald supervillain is to wipe out the population of Earth by drilling into the planet's crust and unleashing large amounts of molten lava. While the exact method was a little different, the same basic scheme would be deployed by Dr. Evil in ''Film/AustinPowers'' the following year.

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** Similarly, the plan of this hammy, bald supervillain is to wipe out the population of Earth by drilling into the planet's crust and unleashing large amounts of molten lava. While the exact method was a little different, the same basic scheme would be deployed by Dr. Evil in ''Film/AustinPowers'' (another ''FranchiseJamesBond'' parody) the following year.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[DiabolicalMastermind Dr. Hippocrates Noah]] is a brilliant MadScientist created as the villain in Julian Bashir's Secret Agent Holodeck program. Kidnaping several of the world's most brilliant minds by luring them into a trap, Noah has all of them brought to his base on the slope of Mount Everest. Noah developed a series of powerful lasers and placed them at specific spots all over the Earth. When Bashir is brought to his base, Noah [[EvilIsHammy dramatically]] reveals his EvilPlan, believing that human decadence has ruined the world, Noah plans to use his lasers to raise the sea level and kill everyone on Earth except those in his base, who he will then use to repopulate the world. Noah has Bashir and Garak tied up beneath one of the lasers and when Bashir escapes and pretends to have turned to Noah's side, Noah simply calls his bluff and tries to kill him.
* ValuesDissonance: Okay, it was almost certainly done for comedic effect, as it would have been seen as rather sexist even in the mid-90s, but Bashir tells Dr. Bare that Dr. Noah "only wants you for your mind," before complimenting her beauty and seducing her. Nowadays, that would be seen as a massive act of chauvinism on the part of Bashir (or rather, the character he's playing), while Dr. Noah would at least be able to claim that he practices EqualOpportunityEvil.
** This is a holodeck program based on 1960s spy novels, with the obvious example being James Bond. The fact that the women are there solely to be props and eye candy is exactly the point they were going for. His assistant for example is bilingual and can drive/pilot any vehicle, and yet is only able to get a job as a lowly valet. Therefore this is DeliberateValuesDissonance. Star Trek era men (Bashir included) do not otherwise view women that way. He's just playing along with the character.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[DiabolicalMastermind Dr. Hippocrates Noah]] is a brilliant MadScientist created as the villain in Julian Bashir's Secret Agent Holodeck program. Kidnaping several of the world's most brilliant minds by luring them into a trap, Noah has all of them brought to his base on the slope of Mount Everest. Noah developed a series of powerful lasers and placed them at specific spots all over the Earth. When Bashir is brought to his base, Noah [[EvilIsHammy dramatically]] reveals his EvilPlan, believing that human decadence has ruined the world, Noah plans to use his lasers to raise the sea level and kill everyone on Earth except those in his base, who he will then use to repopulate the world. Noah has Bashir and Garak tied up beneath one of the lasers and when Bashir escapes and pretends to have turned to Noah's side, Noah simply calls his bluff and tries to kill him.
* ValuesDissonance: Okay, it was almost certainly done for comedic effect, as it would have been seen as rather sexist even in the mid-90s, but Bashir tells Dr. Bare that Dr. Noah "only wants you for your mind," before complimenting her beauty and seducing her. Nowadays, that would be seen as a massive act of chauvinism on the part of Bashir (or rather, the character he's playing), while Dr. Noah would at least be able to claim that he practices EqualOpportunityEvil.
** This is a holodeck program based on 1960s spy novels, with the obvious example being James Bond. The fact that the women are there solely to be props and eye candy is exactly the point they were going for. His assistant for example is bilingual and can drive/pilot any vehicle, and yet is only able to get a job as a lowly valet. Therefore this is DeliberateValuesDissonance. Star Trek era men (Bashir included) do not otherwise view women that way. He's just playing along with the character.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[DiabolicalMastermind Dr. Hippocrates Noah]] is a brilliant MadScientist created as the villain in Julian Bashir's Secret Agent Holodeck program. Kidnaping several of the world's most brilliant minds by luring them into a trap, Noah has all of them brought to his base on the slope of Mount Everest. Noah developed a series of powerful lasers and placed them at specific spots all over the Earth. When Bashir is brought to his base, Noah [[EvilIsHammy dramatically]] reveals his EvilPlan, believing that human decadence has ruined the world, Noah plans to use his lasers to raise the sea level and kill everyone on Earth except those in his base, who he will then use to repopulate the world. Noah has Bashir and Garak tied up beneath one of the lasers and when Bashir escapes and pretends to have turned to Noah's side, Noah simply calls his bluff and tries to kill him.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: An extremely popular read of Bashir's spy holonovel is that it is ''not'' a way for him to fulfill the fantasy of being a suave, supremely brilliant and competent secret agent, [[spoiler: but for him to have an outlet for his genetically-augmented abilities, and to fulfill the fantasy of not having to hide them and being appreciated for them.]]



* HarsherInHindsight: Julian Bashir, Secret Agent is a childish fantasy that lets Bashir pretend to be TheAce, a dashing man with amazing talents capable of incredible feats. But after the revelation that [[spoiler: Bashir is genetically augmented, and therefore really ''is'' TheAce, it becomes a rather sad fantasy that lets him pretend to work for a government that not only allows him to use his abilities to their full extent, but actively supports and is grateful for him doing so instead of working for one he has to hide from for fear of losing his career.]]
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** As does Nana Visitor, who in this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC_fXKgyaQg interview]], said she was in heaven because her Bond girl role called for a [[FakeRussian comically terrible Russian accent]] and coming out of a wall on a round bed.

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** As does Nana Visitor, who in this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC_fXKgyaQg interview]], said she was in heaven because her Bond girl role called for a [[FakeRussian comically terrible Russian accent]] and coming out of a wall on a round bed. She is visibly luxuriating in it every moment she is onscreen.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: An extremely popular read of Bashir's spy holonovel is that it is ''not'' a way for him to fulfill the fantasy of being a suave, supremely brilliant and competent secret agent, [[spoiler: but for him to have an outlet for his genetically-augmented abilities, and to fulfill the fantasy of not having to hide them and being appreciated for them.]]
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** This is a holodeck program based on 1960s spy novels, with the obvious example being James Bond. The fact that the women are there solely to be props and eye candy is exactly the point they were going for. His assistant for example is bilingual and can drive/pilot any vehicle, and yet is only able to get a job as a lowly valet.

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** This is a holodeck program based on 1960s spy novels, with the obvious example being James Bond. The fact that the women are there solely to be props and eye candy is exactly the point they were going for. His assistant for example is bilingual and can drive/pilot any vehicle, and yet is only able to get a job as a lowly valet. Therefore this is DeliberateValuesDissonance. Star Trek era men (Bashir included) do not otherwise view women that way. He's just playing along with the character.
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It was his parents who were in danger of prison for having him genetically enhanced illegally, not Bashir.


* HarsherInHindsight: Julian Bashir, Secret Agent is a childish fantasy that lets Bashir pretend to be TheAce, a dashing man with amazing talents capable of incredible feats. But after the revelation that [[spoiler: Bashir is genetically augmented, and therefore really ''is'' TheAce, it becomes a rather sad fantasy that lets him pretend work for a government that not only allows him to use his abilities to their full extent, but actively supports and is grateful for him doing so instead of working for one he has to hide from for fear of imprisonment.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: Julian Bashir, Secret Agent is a childish fantasy that lets Bashir pretend to be TheAce, a dashing man with amazing talents capable of incredible feats. But after the revelation that [[spoiler: Bashir is genetically augmented, and therefore really ''is'' TheAce, it becomes a rather sad fantasy that lets him pretend to work for a government that not only allows him to use his abilities to their full extent, but actively supports and is grateful for him doing so instead of working for one he has to hide from for fear of imprisonment.losing his career.]]



** This is a holodeck program based on 1960s spy novels, with the obvious example being James Bond. The fact that the women are there solely to be props and eye candy is exactly the point they were going for. His assistant for example is bilingual and can drive/pilot any vehicle and yet is only able to get a job as a lowly valet.

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** This is a holodeck program based on 1960s spy novels, with the obvious example being James Bond. The fact that the women are there solely to be props and eye candy is exactly the point they were going for. His assistant for example is bilingual and can drive/pilot any vehicle vehicle, and yet is only able to get a job as a lowly valet.
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** Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the Film/JamesBond films. Not to mention that Bashir is helped by Garak, a tailor who’s really a spy. Sound familiar? This episode came out twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'' was released.

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** Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the Film/JamesBond films. Not to mention that Bashir is helped by Garak, a tailor who’s who's really a spy. Sound familiar? This episode came out twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'' was released.

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* ValuesDissonance: Okay, it was almost certainly done for comedic effect, as it would have been seen as rather sexist even in the mid-90s, but Bashir tells Dr. Bare that Dr. Noah "only wants you for your mind," before complimenting her beauty and seducing her. Nowadays, that would be seen as a massive act of chauvinism on the part of Bashir (or rather, the character he's playing), while Dr. Noah would at least be able to claim that he practices EqualOpportunityEvil.

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* ValuesDissonance: Okay, it was almost certainly done for comedic effect, as it would have been seen as rather sexist even in the mid-90s, but Bashir tells Dr. Bare that Dr. Noah "only wants you for your mind," before complimenting her beauty and seducing her. Nowadays, that would be seen as a massive act of chauvinism on the part of Bashir (or rather, the character he's playing), while Dr. Noah would at least be able to claim that he practices EqualOpportunityEvil.
** This is a holodeck program based on 1960s spy novels, with the obvious example being James Bond. The fact that the women are there solely to be props and eye candy is exactly the point they were going for. His assistant for example is bilingual and can drive/pilot any vehicle and yet is only able to get a job as a lowly valet.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Julian Bashir, Secred Agent is a childish fantasy that lets Bashir pretend to be TheAce, a dashing man with amazing talents capable of incredible feats. But after the revelation that [[spoiler: Bashir is genetically augmented, and therefore really ''is'' TheAce, it becomes a rather sad fantasy that lets him pretend work for a government that not only allows him to use his abilities to their full extent, but actively supports and is grateful for him doing so instead of working for one he has to hide from for fear of imprisonment.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: Julian Bashir, Secred Secret Agent is a childish fantasy that lets Bashir pretend to be TheAce, a dashing man with amazing talents capable of incredible feats. But after the revelation that [[spoiler: Bashir is genetically augmented, and therefore really ''is'' TheAce, it becomes a rather sad fantasy that lets him pretend work for a government that not only allows him to use his abilities to their full extent, but actively supports and is grateful for him doing so instead of working for one he has to hide from for fear of imprisonment.]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: Julian Bashir, Secred Agent is a childish fantasy that lets Bashir pretend to be TheAce, a dashing man with amazing talents capable of incredible feats. But after the revelation that [[spoiler: Bashir is genetically augmented, and therefore really ''is'' TheAce, it becomes a rather sad fantasy that lets him pretend work for a government that not only allows him to use his abilities to their full extent, but actively supports and is grateful for him doing so instead of working for one he has to hide from for fear of imprisonment.]]
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** Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the Film/JamesBond films. Not to mention that Bashir is helped by Garak, a tailor who’s really a spy. Sound familiar, like a [[Film/KingsmanTheSecretService certain movie]] that came out twenty years later?

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** Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the Film/JamesBond films. Not to mention that Bashir is helped by Garak, a tailor who’s really a spy. Sound familiar, like a [[Film/KingsmanTheSecretService certain movie]] that familiar? This episode came out twenty years later?before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'' was released.
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** Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the Film/JamesBond films. Not to mention that Bashir is helped by Garak, a tailor who’s really a spy. This episode came out twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService''.

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** Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the Film/JamesBond films. Not to mention that Bashir is helped by Garak, a tailor who’s really a spy. This episode Sound familiar, like a [[Film/KingsmanTheSecretService certain movie]] that came out twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService''.later?
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** Similarly, the plan of this hammy, bald supervillain is to wipe out the population of Earth by drilling into the planet's crust and unleashing large amounts of molten lava. While the exact method was a little different, the same basic scheme would be deployed by Dr. Evil in Film/AustinPowers'' the following year.

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** Similarly, the plan of this hammy, bald supervillain is to wipe out the population of Earth by drilling into the planet's crust and unleashing large amounts of molten lava. While the exact method was a little different, the same basic scheme would be deployed by Dr. Evil in Film/AustinPowers'' ''Film/AustinPowers'' the following year.
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** Similarly, the plan of this hammy, bald supervillain is to wipe out the population of Earth by drilling into the planet's crust and unleashing large amounts of molten lava. While the exact method was a little different, the same basic scheme would be deployed by the BigBad of ''Film/AustinPowers'' the following year.

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** Similarly, the plan of this hammy, bald supervillain is to wipe out the population of Earth by drilling into the planet's crust and unleashing large amounts of molten lava. While the exact method was a little different, the same basic scheme would be deployed by the BigBad of ''Film/AustinPowers'' Dr. Evil in Film/AustinPowers'' the following year.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the Film/JamesBond films. Not to mention that Bashir is helped by Garak, a tailor who’s really a spy. This episode came out twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService''.

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** Similarly, the plan of this hammy, bald supervillain is to wipe out the population of Earth by drilling into the planet's crust and unleashing large amounts of molten lava. While the exact method was a little different, the same basic scheme would be deployed by the BigBad of ''Film/AustinPowers'' the following year.
* ValuesDissonance: Okay, it was almost certainly done for comedic effect, as it would have been seen as rather sexist even in the mid-90s, but Bashir tells Dr. Bare that Dr. Noah "only wants you for your mind," before complimenting her beauty and seducing her. Nowadays, that would be seen as a massive act of chauvinism on the part of Bashir (or rather, the character he's playing), while Dr. Noah would at least be able to claim that he practices EqualOpportunityEvil.
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* HamAndCheese:
** Avery Brooks, in the role of an intentionally campy OmnicidalManiac Bond villain, wolfed down the scenery and went back for seconds.
** As does Nana Visitor, who in this [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC_fXKgyaQg interview]], said she was in heaven because her Bond girl role called for a [[FakeRussian comically terrible Russian accent]] and coming out of a wall on a round bed.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the Film/JamesBond films. This episode came out twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the Film/JamesBond films. Not to mention that Bashir is helped by Garak, a tailor who’s really a spy. This episode came out twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService''.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the James Bond films. This episode came out twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Avery Brooks plays a hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the James Bond Film/JamesBond films. This episode came out twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService''.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Avery Brooks plays a LargeHam bald black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the James Bond films. This episode came out exactly twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Avery Brooks plays a LargeHam bald hammy, bald, black supervillain who plans to destroy the world except for a select few who'll survive in a remote mountain location, all in a parody of the James Bond films. This episode came out exactly twenty years before ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService''.
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