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** Samael's damage output isn't threatening, especially as he has no way to dispel Rakukaja and Sukukaja, but he has no weaknesses, has Retaliate to randomly counter physical attacks, and will frequently use Beat Eye to cast 2 Rakukajas on himself. And then there's God's Curse, a party-targeting attack that randomly inflicts charm, panic, sleep, bind or stun. All of these effects waste turns in some way, and no Magatama will make the Demi Fiend immune to ''all'' of them, so you'll probably suffer a few no matter what. And if you bring a Demon with healing, they might heal Samael if they're not immune to Mind. This boss can be skipped, but doing so locks you out of every ending except Shijima and True Demon.
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** Samael's damage output isn't threatening, especially as he has no way to dispel Rakukaja and Sukukaja, but he has no weaknesses, has Retaliate to randomly counter physical attacks, and will frequently use Beat Eye to cast 2 Rakukajas on himself. And then there's God's Curse, a party-targeting attack that randomly inflicts charm, panic, sleep, bind or stun. All of these effects waste turns in some way, and no Magatama will make the Demi Fiend immune to ''all'' of them, so you'll probably suffer a few no matter what. And if you bring a Demon with healing, they might heal Samael if they're not immune to Mind. This boss can be skipped, but doing so locks [[spoiler:locks you out of every ending except Shijima and True Demon. Demon.]]
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** Samael's damage output isn't threatening, especially as he has no way to dispel Rakukaja and Sukukaja, but he has no weaknesses, has Retaliate to randomly counter physical attacks, and will frequently use Beat Eye to cast 2 Rakukajas on himself. And then there's God's Curse, a party-targeting attack that randomly inflicts charm, panic, sleep, bind or stun. All of these effects waste turns in some way, and no Magatama will make the Demi Fiend immune to ''all'' of them, so you'll probably suffer a few no matter what. And if you bring a Demon with healing, they might heal Samael if they're not immune to Mind.
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** Samael's damage output isn't threatening, especially as he has no way to dispel Rakukaja and Sukukaja, but he has no weaknesses, has Retaliate to randomly counter physical attacks, and will frequently use Beat Eye to cast 2 Rakukajas on himself. And then there's God's Curse, a party-targeting attack that randomly inflicts charm, panic, sleep, bind or stun. All of these effects waste turns in some way, and no Magatama will make the Demi Fiend immune to ''all'' of them, so you'll probably suffer a few no matter what. And if you bring a Demon with healing, they might heal Samael if they're not immune to Mind. This boss can be skipped, but doing so locks you out of every ending except Shijima and True Demon.
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** Samael's damage output isn't threatening, especially as he has no way to dispel Rakukaja and Sukukaja, but he has no weaknesses, has Retaliate to randomly counter physical attacks, and will frequently use Beat Eye to cast 2 Rakukajas on himself. And then there's God's Curse, a party-targeting attack that randomly inflicts charm, panic, sleep, bind or stun. All of these effects waste turns in some way, and no Magatama will make the Demi Fiend immune to ''all'' of them, so you'll probably suffer a few no matter what. And if you bring a Demon with healing, they might heal Samael if they're not immune to Mind.
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* SoBadItWasBetter: Many players were upset at the HD Remaster fixing Mot's AI so he no longer spams Beast Eye, as it, while ridiculously unfair, turned an otherwise unremarkable mid-boss into one of the most memorable fights in the original game. In a game already NintendoHard, most players considered his original behavior the difficulty equivalent of ActuallyPrettyFunny.
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* GeniusBonus: Dante's appearance as a GuestFighter was made with a lot of love and care for the ''Devil May Cry'' series. Not only are all his skills references to moves or game mechanics, but even his ''animations'' resemble some of his combos from his home game.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: While it ''is'' revealed that Yuko [[spoiler:was manipulated by Hikawa into being a vessel for siphoning magatsuhi and later a sacrifice]], it doesn't change the fact that she knowingly and willingly helped to initiate the Conception, which ''killed off seven billion people''. Yet the Demi-Fiend still tries to save her.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: While it ''is'' revealed that Yuko [[spoiler:was manipulated by Hikawa into being a vessel for siphoning magatsuhi and later a sacrifice]], it doesn't change the fact that she knowingly and willingly helped to initiate the Conception, which ''killed off seven billion people''. Yet the Demi-Fiend still tries to save her.her, [[spoiler:and her death is treated as a very somber moment]].
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** Root of Evil from Lucifer is a RandomEffectSpell where three (out of six) possible outcomes turn it into a PercentDamageAttack, taking away 50%, 70%, or 90% of any one party member's current HP; the remaining three can inflict random ailments. He's also likely to follow up with an unblockable attack afterwards that can kill that party member rightaway. If you're fighting him on Hard Mode, Root of Evil is also guaranteed to erase your buffs as well, so you'll have to spend more time building them back up or fall into a downward spiral you can't recover easily from.
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** Root of Evil from Lucifer is a RandomEffectSpell where three (out of six) possible outcomes turn it into a PercentDamageAttack, taking away 50%, 70%, or 90% of any one party member's current HP; the remaining three can inflict random ailments. He's also likely to follow up with an unblockable attack afterwards that can kill that party member rightaway. If you're fighting him on Hard Mode, the Chronicle version of the Remaster, Root of Evil is also guaranteed to erase your buffs as well, so you'll have to spend more time building them back up or fall into a downward spiral you can't recover easily from.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Yosuga faction [[spoiler:massacring the Manikins at Mifunashiro]] makes it clear what kind of atrocities the Reason holders are willing to commit for the sake of their world, and that you should probably think of [[TakeAThirdOption finding an alternative]] instead of helping them if you don't want to be a full-on VillainProtagonist.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Yosuga faction [[spoiler:massacring the Manikins at Mifunashiro]] makes it clear what kind of atrocities the Reason holders are willing to commit for the sake of their world, and that you should probably think of [[TakeAThirdOption finding an alternative]] instead of helping them if you don't want to be a full-on VillainProtagonist.See [[MoralEventHorizon/ShinMegamiTensei here]].
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** The Demi-fiend himself. His actions on the True Demon route and in ''Digital Devil Saga'' has amazed enough of the fanbase that, whenever questions of who the strongest SMT protagonist is come up, his only competition is [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII Aleph]]. Considering that the Demi-Fiend can become [[spoiler: TheAntiChrist in the True Demon Ending]] while Aleph is [[spoiler: A CloneJesus]] and seems to lean law in his appearance in ''IV Apocalypse'', it takes OrderVersusChaos to a new level.
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** The Demi-fiend himself. His actions on the True Demon route and in ''Digital Devil Saga'' has amazed enough of the fanbase that, whenever questions of who the strongest SMT protagonist is come up, his only competition is [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII Aleph]]. Considering that the Demi-Fiend can become [[spoiler: TheAntiChrist in the True Demon Ending]] while Aleph is [[spoiler: A CloneJesus]] and seems to lean law in his appearance in ''IV Apocalypse'', it takes OrderVersusChaos to a new level. He's such a badass that he has been the [[BonusBoss Super Boss]] for two separate games, something very few if any other characters in Megaten games can claim.
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** Every time you save at a Terminal, you have to watch an unskippable animation. Given this is a game where [[NintendoHard you want to save as often as possible]], this can quickly get grating. The fast travel animation ''is'' skippable, so it's strange the save animation isn't.
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** When you learn a skill from a Magatama, you ''must'' either take the skill, or give up on learning it [[PermanentlyMissableContent forever]]. This can be problematic for blind playthroughs, especially if you give up a skill early and end up wanting it later, or you need to equip a Magatama for its stats or resistances but don't want to lose its next skill. You can only view the next skill a Magatama learns, so you might not realize one has a skill you want later if its initial skill doesn't look appealing.
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** In contrast to the first visit (see ThatOneLevel), and the long Obelisk dungeon preceding it, the second visit to the Amala Network can feel like a joke. It's much shorter than the first time, the first few floors use the same encounters as the first visit (so should be no problem this late in) and even among the later encounters the only one that's mildly threatening is Legion, and while the second Specter fight comes with no healing beforehand, that's a blessing in disguise as the fight is ''easier'' if you enter with your MP depleted. (Which ruins its drain gimmick) Even if you don't know how to cheese the fight, you've got considerably better access to good Demons at this point, so it should be less of an issue than the first time.
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* ThatOnePuzzle: Near the top of the Obelisk, you have another Kagutsuchi tile puzzle- stepping on tiles advances Kagutsuchi, and certan doors can only be passed if Kagutsuchi is at Full or Half- in which you must reach and defeat all the Moirae Sisters before you can proceed. There is no room for mistakes, and if you abort the puzzle or run out of time(i.e. Kagutsuchi cycles back to New), you will have to start the puzzle over from the beginning and defeat any of the sisters you've already fought. Worse, the sisters flee from battle when they're beaten, since the actual fight with them is at the end of the Obelisk, and give no experience or money.
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* ThatOnePuzzle: Near the top of the Obelisk, you have another Kagutsuchi tile puzzle- stepping on tiles advances Kagutsuchi, and certan certain doors can only be passed if Kagutsuchi is at Full or Half- in which you must reach and defeat all the Moirae Sisters before you can proceed. There is no room for mistakes, and if you abort the puzzle or run out of time(i.e. Kagutsuchi cycles back to New), you will have to start the puzzle over from the beginning and defeat any of the sisters you've already fought. Additionally, you have to defeat the three sisters in a ''specific order'', which is something the game only ''vaguely'' hints at through dialogue with NPC ghosts. (Who a player could've easily ignored) Worse, the sisters flee from battle when they're beaten, since the actual fight with them is at the end of the Obelisk, and give no experience or money.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: ''Nocturne'''s jump to full 3D was a turning point for truly modernizing the franchise in ways that can be hard to appreciate. This was the first game in the series to completely do away with Magnetite, which meant you no longer had to count your steps to keep your summoned demons. Speaking of summons, the COMP conceit that had been a prior series staple is done away with here, which removed layers of submenus that were infamously frustrating to bring up in the SNES titles. With that gone, you now have a much simpler and intuitive UI, with an auto-updating minimap that's always onscreen with more detailed landmarks. To say nothing of a simple, precise camera and directional controls in true third-person (no more getting lost in first-person hallways). However, later games added even more improvements, such as the ability to save anywhere, respawn after dying, check buff/debuff levels, or look at demons' resistances without wasting a turn using an EnemyScan spell, whose absence attracted some criticism when the HD Remaster came out.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: ''Nocturne'''s jump to full 3D was a turning point for truly modernizing the franchise in ways that can be hard to appreciate. This was the first game in the series to completely do away with Magnetite, which meant you no longer had to count your steps to keep your summoned demons. Speaking of summons, the COMP conceit that had been a prior series staple is done away with here, which removed layers of submenus that were infamously frustrating to bring up in the SNES titles. With that gone, you now have a much simpler and intuitive UI, with an auto-updating minimap that's always onscreen with more detailed landmarks. To say nothing of a simple, precise camera and directional controls in true third-person (no more getting lost in first-person hallways). However, later games added even more improvements, such as the ability to save anywhere, respawn after dying, check buff/debuff levels, or look at demons' resistances without wasting a turn using an EnemyScan spell, whose absence attracted some criticism when the HD Remaster came out. Playing the game after playing any game released after it can result in a lot of frustration at the more dated mechanics to the point of making it seem overrated, even with the remaster bringing some improvements.
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** Ongyo-ki is tedious no matter which way you fight him. If you go in outside of a Full Kagutsuchi, you have to guess which of his replicas is the real one, and hitting a fake removes ''all'' your Press Turns instead of the typical two for a nulled attack, making the fight a LuckBasedMission. During Full Kagutsuchi, you can tell which is real due to the shadow, and hitting it will cause Ongyo-ki to spend his turn using Dragon Eye, casting all 3 buffs on himself, then using Replicate again. Keep this loop up and he'll never attack you, but slowly whittling down his health while sitting through this routine every turn gets boring fast.
** White Rider isn't the most difficult of the Fiends, but once you unlock his battle by reaching the end of the Second Kalpa, he'll ambush you outside most fast travel save points until you beat him. Because of this, most players put off unlocking the Rider fights until the higher levels.
** White Rider isn't the most difficult of the Fiends, but once you unlock his battle by reaching the end of the Second Kalpa, he'll ambush you outside most fast travel save points until you beat him. Because of this, most players put off unlocking the Rider fights until the higher levels.
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** The first visit to the Amala Network can be a stumbling block for new players, even by the game's usual NintendoHard standards. For one, it's an unexpected dungeon with vague warnings it's coming that only make sense in hindsight, and once you're inside you can't leave to fuse or recruit more Demons until you finish it. The enemies are mostly Elements, which can't be recruited, and include the Aeros mention under GoddamnedBats. Its boss, Specter, can also be a problem, as it's the first boss with no weaknesses and demands dealing a lot of damage quickly to neuter its own damage output. If you went in unprepared, hope you kept a save from outside.
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* GoddamnedBats: Aeros in the first visit to the Amala Network. Appearing early in the game before the player has access to decent fusions and Demons, it has no weaknesses, resists all magic, can heal itself and has Marin Karin. Large groups of these are very tedious to fight.
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** Related to the above, a debate that surfaced in the years following the game's release is whether the original or Maniax re-release portrayed the story better. As seen in VindicatedByHistory below, many fans begun to view the Reasons as a breath of fresh air compared to the typical BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous plots of the franchise, or at least a solid ''attempt'' at doing something original, and feel that Maniax's new content adding a traditional Chaos ending [[StoryBranchFavoritism that the game heavily favors]] wastes that uniqueness. They also argue that Lucifer's reveals about the nature of the Vortex World contradict the original game's lore, or invalidate it all via TooBleakStoppedCaring. Others, as above, view the True Demon Ending as the game's SignatureScene, point to Lucifer's presence as a SinkOrSwimMentor even in the original story, and that the new ending heavily influenced the Demi-Fiend's portrayal in later spinoffs, [[CuttingOffTheBranches making it the likely canon outcome.]]
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* VindicatedByHistory: Might be hard to believe today, but when the game was first released it actually wasn't all that well received from fans with many finding it [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks way too different from past entries]]. The game didn't receive full recognition until the updated Maniax edition, and over time the game got more and more traction until it got the franchise cornerstone status it enjoys today.
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** Might be hard to believe today, but when the game was first released it actually wasn't all that well received from fans with many finding it [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks way too different from past entries]]. The game didn't receive full recognition until the updated Maniax edition, and over time the game got more and more traction until it got the franchise cornerstone status it enjoystoday.today.
** The three Reasons were originally viewed as weak, generically evil and not worth caring about, especially since completing the BonusDungeon locks you into rejecting them all anyway. In the years following the game's release, backlash against the overuse and lack of evolution of the classic ''Shin Megami Tensei'' Law and Chaos alignments caused Nocturne's Reasons to be looked on more favorably. While few fans advocate ''siding with'' them, they're appreciated as a breath of fresh air compared to the typical alignments (for example, Yosuga resembles Chaos, but the Angels support it, with the fallen demons supporting the WorldOfSilence faction instead), or at least as a solid attempt at something different, and for their contributions to Nocturne's unique atmosphere.
** Might be hard to believe today, but when the game was first released it actually wasn't all that well received from fans with many finding it [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks way too different from past entries]]. The game didn't receive full recognition until the updated Maniax edition, and over time the game got more and more traction until it got the franchise cornerstone status it enjoys
** The three Reasons were originally viewed as weak, generically evil and not worth caring about, especially since completing the BonusDungeon locks you into rejecting them all anyway. In the years following the game's release, backlash against the overuse and lack of evolution of the classic ''Shin Megami Tensei'' Law and Chaos alignments caused Nocturne's Reasons to be looked on more favorably. While few fans advocate ''siding with'' them, they're appreciated as a breath of fresh air compared to the typical alignments (for example, Yosuga resembles Chaos, but the Angels support it, with the fallen demons supporting the WorldOfSilence faction instead), or at least as a solid attempt at something different, and for their contributions to Nocturne's unique atmosphere.
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** Surt, found in the Diet Building. Three of his six moves (Ragnarok, Hellfire, and his counter) are fire element, and of his other three, only one deals physical damage. If you have the Demi-Fiend ingest Gehenna and buff him up a few times with Rakukaja for if Surt gets too happy with his physical attack, you can set the battle the auto and walk away for a few minutes and come back to a win screen.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Demon ending has [[https://twitter.com/MegaTenStruggle/status/1576862414955421696?s=20&t=oFgV1mDNHAnxdrR3Wx8J0A no real effort put into it]], looking like a sketch rather than something that belongs in a video game released on shelves, especially compared to the original version.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Demon ending for the HD Remaster has [[https://twitter.com/MegaTenStruggle/status/1576862414955421696?s=20&t=oFgV1mDNHAnxdrR3Wx8J0A no real effort put into it]], looking like a sketch rather than something that belongs in a video game released on shelves, especially compared to the original version.
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** Daisoujou is a very popular demon due to him not only learning Prayer (a full-heal and status-restoring spell) at a relatively early level, but also innately possessing an MP-draining spell that makes sure that he never runs out of MP, on top of being immune to pretty much every single status ailment in the game. The only obstacle to getting him is [[DefeatMeansPlayable defeating him first]].
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** Daisoujou is a very popular demon due to him not only learning Prayer (a full-heal and status-restoring spell) at a relatively early level, but also innately possessing an MP-draining spell that makes sure that he never runs out of MP, on top of being immune to pretty much every single status ailment in the game. It’s not uncommon to see him in videos even at the late or endgame due to him being so good that even demons’ slower leveling putting him above just about any other support. The only obstacle to getting him is [[DefeatMeansPlayable defeating him first]].
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** Regarding both the ''DMC'' and ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' memes, all three franchises would eventually get representation in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'' (''VideoGame/Persona5'' 's Joker and ''KH'' 's Sora as playable characters, Dante as a Mii Fighter costume).
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The remaster led to a lot of complaints about both poor performance and barely any changes beyond voice acting and visuals. Atlus not only promised to fix the performance issues, but patched the game to add one of the most requested features that wasn't added at launch: the ability to choose skills demons will inherit in fusion.
** One of the biggest problems with the True Demon Ending is that it requires the recruiting of Dante. On paper, this is not an issue- Dante is point for point one of the best demons in the game and is a welcome addition to any party thanks to his incredible damage output. The problem comes from the fact that the TrueFinalBoss requires piercing damage in order to be taken down within a decent time frame... and Dante lacks any way to pierce his physical damage. In the later releases which swapped Dante for Raidou, this was remedied by giving Raidou a skill that causes his physical damage to automatically pierce, which ultimately left Dante in the dust. The HD Remaster finally remedies this by also giving Dante a pierce skill, allowing him to be brought along to the final boss effectively.
** A common issue in the original, to the point of being a meme, was the boss fight against Mot and his tendency to spam Beast Eye several times to give himself more Press Turns, on top of using Makakaja to boost his magic before attacking with Megidolaon; sometimes without even giving the player their turn. But in the HD Remaster, Mot's AI was changed so that he very rarely uses Beast Eye in any given fight, making the fight much more fair.
** Another source of complaint was the Junk Shop Manikin being a very offensive [[CampGay gay stereotype]]. While it may have been [[ValuesDissonance acceptable at the time]], it comes off as harmful and offensive today. The Manikin would speak as though he's flirting with the Demi-Fiend, even calling him a "cute little boy" and "hot stuff". But when talking with the Manikin, he'll become offended at the idea that the Demi-Fiend thinks he's "queer". In the HD Remaster, the Junk Shop Manikin's behavior and speech was changed to a more friendly and outgoing personality.
->Original: ''"...Don't tell me... You think I'm queer, too!? ...Yeesh!"''
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** One of the biggest problems with the True Demon Ending is that it requires the recruiting of Dante. On paper, this is not an issue- Dante is point for point one of the best demons in the game and is a welcome addition to any party thanks to his incredible damage output. The problem comes from the fact that the TrueFinalBoss requires piercing damage in order to be taken down within a decent time frame... and Dante lacks any way to pierce his physical damage. In the later releases which swapped Dante for Raidou, this was remedied by giving Raidou a skill that causes his physical damage to automatically pierce, which ultimately left Dante in the dust. The HD Remaster finally remedies this by also giving Dante a pierce skill, allowing him to be brought along to the final boss effectively.
** A common issue in the original, to the point of being a meme, was the boss fight against Mot and his tendency to spam Beast Eye several times to give himself more Press Turns, on top of using Makakaja to boost his magic before attacking with Megidolaon; sometimes without even giving the player their turn. But in the HD Remaster, Mot's AI was changed so that he very rarely uses Beast Eye in any given fight, making the fight much more fair.
** Another source of complaint was the Junk Shop Manikin being a very offensive [[CampGay gay stereotype]]. While it may have been [[ValuesDissonance acceptable at the time]], it comes off as harmful and offensive today. The Manikin would speak as though he's flirting with the Demi-Fiend, even calling him a "cute little boy" and "hot stuff". But when talking with the Manikin, he'll become offended at the idea that the Demi-Fiend thinks he's "queer". In the HD Remaster, the Junk Shop Manikin's behavior and speech was changed to a more friendly and outgoing personality.
->Original: ''"...Don't tell me... You think I'm queer, too!? ...Yeesh!"''
->HD Remaster: ''"...Don't tell me... You were just window-shopping!? ...Sheesh!"''
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** "''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' has screwed us again!"[[note]]From [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0kOO-X-Jk this]] Creator/G4TV ad about a popularity poll between ''[=KH2=]'' and ''Nocturne'', and is frequently quoted when their FandomRivalry is brought up.[[/note]]
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** "''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' has screwed us again!"[[note]]From [[https://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0kOO-X-Jk this]] Creator/G4TV ad about com/watch?v=zlJrEwEMIpM Vote Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne]]"[[note]]Series/XPlay, in the buildup for their 2004 award show, made a popularity poll between ''[=KH2=]'' and commercial that portrayed ''Nocturne'', which would take the award for Best RPG, as a political challenger against an incumbent ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''. The sheer absurdity of an old couple talking about a pair of video games like politicians caught on, and even ''Atlus themselves'' left a comment asking, "What in the damn hell is this?"[[/note]]
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*** "''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' has screwed us again!"[[note]]Also from the above instance and is frequently quoted when
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** "''VideoGame/KingdomHearts2'' "''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' has screwed us again!"[[note]]From [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0kOO-X-Jk this]] Creator/G4TV ad about a popularity poll between ''[=KH2=]'' and ''Nocturne'', and is frequently quoted when their FandomRivalry is brought up.[[/note]]
*** "Where was ''Kingdom Hearts2'' II'' during Hurricane Katrina?"
*** "Where was ''Kingdom Hearts
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** One of the biggest problems with the True Demon Ending is that it requires the recruiting of Dante. On paper, this is not an issue- Dante is point for point one of the best demons in the game, and is a welcome addition to any party thanks to his incredible damage output. The problem comes from the fact that the TrueFinalBoss requires piercing damage in order to be taken down within a decent time frame... and Dante lacks any way to pierce his physical damage. In the later releases which swapped Dante for Raidou, this was remedied by giving Raidou a skill that causes his physical damage to automatically pierce, which ultimately left Dante in the dust. The HD Remaster finally remedies this by also giving Dante a pierce skill, allowing him to be brought along to the final boss effectively.
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** One of the biggest problems with the True Demon Ending is that it requires the recruiting of Dante. On paper, this is not an issue- Dante is point for point one of the best demons in the game, game and is a welcome addition to any party thanks to his incredible damage output. The problem comes from the fact that the TrueFinalBoss requires piercing damage in order to be taken down within a decent time frame... and Dante lacks any way to pierce his physical damage. In the later releases which swapped Dante for Raidou, this was remedied by giving Raidou a skill that causes his physical damage to automatically pierce, which ultimately left Dante in the dust. The HD Remaster finally remedies this by also giving Dante a pierce skill, allowing him to be brought along to the final boss effectively.
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* LesYay: Fun fact, having a female demon use Seduce (high chance of recruiting male demons when used by a female demon) or wooing (high chance of recruiting female demons when used by a male demon) has a normal outcome like a regular conversation skill, while a male demon using either on another male disgusts the target and results in a guaranteed fail. One would imagine that female demons are a bit more comfortable about being hit on by someone of the same sex than male demons.
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* LesYay: Fun fact, having a female demon use Seduce (high chance of recruiting male demons when used by a female demon) or wooing (high chance of recruiting female demons when used by a male demon) has a normal outcome like a regular conversation skill, while a male demon using either on another male disgusts the target and results in a guaranteed fail. One would imagine that female demons are a bit more comfortable about being hit on by someone of the same sex than male demons.
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*** Is Yuko's failure to conceive a reason really the result of her own self-doubt, or is that claim just Hikawa being petty? Every human who created a Reason did so only after gathering an enormous amount of Magatsuhi. Yuko attempted to accomplish this as well by obtaining the Yahiro no Himorogi, however, this plan failed purely because of Sakahagi draining its power before she could obtain it. It's very easy to read her not being able to form a Reason not because of a personal weakness on her part, but because of a Sakhagi's interference.
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*** Is Yuko's failure to conceive a reason really the result of her own self-doubt, or is that claim just Hikawa being petty? Every human who created a Reason did so only after gathering an enormous amount of Magatsuhi. Yuko attempted to accomplish this as well by obtaining the Yahiro no Himorogi, however, this plan failed purely because of Sakahagi draining its power before she could obtain it. It's very easy to read her not being able to form a Reason not because of a personal weakness on her part, but because of a Sakhagi's Sakahagi's interference.
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** A Youtuber named Jim Reaper has managed to get through the entire game [[LowLevelRun without gaining any experience points from random encounters]], going on to [[https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_rjvbjaKsV3JWaOkf8r_XvBjFrEWzGS3 layer more conditions on top of the run]] (such as playing on Hard mode and not using Fiends). He has even done the same for said Hardtype mod.
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Don't know if this is true for other versions, but it works with the PAL release.
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* CheeseStrategy: Due to Aciel's focus on physical attacks, he can be beaten solely by reflecting his attacks. In fact, it's possible to beat Aciel without using a single damaging move and simply reflecting his attacks to make Aciel kill himself, as seen [[https://youtu.be/JmudynmUDxI here]].
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* CheeseStrategy: Due to Aciel's focus on physical attacks, he can be beaten solely by reflecting his attacks. In fact, it's Additionally, after using [[HPTo1 Sol Niger]] he will only ever attack the demon furthest to the right and then work his way in so if that one reflects physical he won't be accomplishing much. Even further, it is in fact possible to beat Aciel without using a single damaging move and simply reflecting his attacks to make Aciel kill himself, as seen [[https://youtu.be/JmudynmUDxI here]].
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** "''VideoGame/KingdomHearts2'' has screwed us again!"[[note]]From [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0kOO-X-Jk this]] Creator/G4TV ad about a popularity poll between ''KH2'' and ''Nocturne'', and is frequently quoted when their FandomRivalry is brought up.[[/note]]
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** "''VideoGame/KingdomHearts2'' has screwed us again!"[[note]]From [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0kOO-X-Jk this]] Creator/G4TV ad about a popularity poll between ''KH2'' ''[=KH2=]'' and ''Nocturne'', and is frequently quoted when their FandomRivalry is brought up.[[/note]]
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** "''VideoGame/KingdomHearts2'' has screwed us again!"[[note]]From [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0kOO-X-Jk this]] Creator/G4TV ad about a popularity poll between ''KH2'' and ''Nocturne'', and is frequently quoted when their FandomRivalry is brought up.[[/note]]
*** "Where was ''Kingdom Hearts 2'' during Hurricane Katrina?"
*** "''Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne'' would never take advantage of our innate gullibility."
*** "Where was ''Kingdom Hearts 2'' during Hurricane Katrina?"
*** "''Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne'' would never take advantage of our innate gullibility."
