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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: In the pre-Quake days, its pseudo-3D movement was seen as interesting and different. For any gamer who cut their teeth after 1996, movement and the interface will feel like chilled molasses. Even the inclusion of an auto-mapping system and a minimap producing spell can't quite help the confusion and slowness of 3D map travel.
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** The twisted versions of Archangels [[ArchangelUriel Uriel]], [[ArchangelRaphael Raphael]], and [[ArchangelMichael Michael]] are overlords of the theocratic dictatorship that has overthrown Tokyo AfterTheEnd. While they allegedly divided the city into five districts in accordance to the division of labor, it is clear they favor the wealthy Central District and feel free to neglect, abuse, and slaughter outright the residents of the other four. When signs of rebellion appear in the Valhalla district, they order the Demon Lord Abaddon to devour it whole, promising to restore his angelic status if he did so; when he is finished, they [[ILied cast him back into the demon world]]. The entirety of the Arcadia district has been lobotomized and plugged into {{Lotus Eater Machine}}s, causing them to believe they live in an idyllic paradise while their physical bodies waste away; [[TheHero Aleph]] is subsequently informed the the Archangels intended to do the same to the entire planet. The workers of [[TheGulag the Factory District]] have been brainwashed into slavery by the song of a Siren, who is routinely tortured by the Archangels' henchmen to keep her singing. Finally, they attempt to get Aleph and his comrade Zayin to surrender to them by holding the entire Holytown district hostage, threatening to cut off their air supply and slowly suffocate them to death. [[spoiler:Even '''''YHVH Himself''''' finds their actions to be unacceptable.]]
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** The twisted versions of Archangels [[ArchangelUriel Uriel]], [[ArchangelRaphael Raphael]], and [[ArchangelMichael Michael]] are overlords of the theocratic dictatorship that has overthrown Tokyo AfterTheEnd. While they allegedly divided the city into five districts in accordance to the division of labor, it is clear they favor the wealthy Central District and feel free to neglect, abuse, and slaughter outright the residents of the other four. When signs of rebellion appear in the Valhalla district, they order the Demon Lord Abaddon to devour it whole, promising to restore his angelic status if he did so; when he is finished, they [[ILied cast him back into the demon world]]. The entirety of the Arcadia district has been lobotomized and plugged into {{Lotus Eater Machine}}s, causing them to believe they live in an idyllic paradise while their physical bodies waste away; [[TheHero Aleph]] is subsequently informed the the Archangels intended to do the same to the entire planet. The workers of [[TheGulag the Factory District]] have been brainwashed into slavery by the song of a Siren, who is routinely tortured by the Archangels' henchmen to keep her singing. Finally, they attempt to get Aleph and his comrade Zayin to surrender to them by holding the entire Holytown district hostage, threatening to cut off their air supply and slowly suffocate them to death. [[spoiler:Even '''''YHVH Himself''''' finds their actions to be unacceptable.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:YHVH ordering the total genocide of everyone not in Eden]] in the Law route. [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Satan]] is so horrified that his next target is '''YHVH Himself.''']]
** Michael, Raphael, and Uriel having Abaddon swallow Valhalla whole and later threatening to cut off Holytown's air supply. And if you do the Arcadia sidequest/[[spoiler:Gimmel]] boss fight, you learn their ultimate plan: [[spoiler:hook everyone up to a virtual reality to bring forth an artificial Thousand Year Kingdom, which also counts as an MEH crossing for the fully cooperative Gimmel.]]
** Michael, Raphael, and Uriel having Abaddon swallow Valhalla whole and later threatening to cut off Holytown's air supply. And if you do the Arcadia sidequest/[[spoiler:Gimmel]] boss fight, you learn their ultimate plan: [[spoiler:hook everyone up to a virtual reality to bring forth an artificial Thousand Year Kingdom, which also counts as an MEH crossing for the fully cooperative Gimmel.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:YHVH ordering the total genocide of everyone not in Eden]] in the Law route. [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Satan]] is so horrified that his next target is '''YHVH Himself.''']]
** Michael, Raphael, and Uriel having Abaddon swallow Valhalla whole and later threatening to cut off Holytown's air supply. And if you do the Arcadia sidequest/[[spoiler:Gimmel]] boss fight, you learn their ultimate plan: [[spoiler:hook everyone up to a virtual reality to bring forth an artificial Thousand Year Kingdom, which also counts as an MEH crossing for the fully cooperative Gimmel.]]See [[MoralEventHorizon/ShinMegamiTensei here]].
** Michael, Raphael, and Uriel having Abaddon swallow Valhalla whole and later threatening to cut off Holytown's air supply. And if you do the Arcadia sidequest/[[spoiler:Gimmel]] boss fight, you learn their ultimate plan: [[spoiler:hook everyone up to a virtual reality to bring forth an artificial Thousand Year Kingdom, which also counts as an MEH crossing for the fully cooperative Gimmel.]]
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** The twisted versions of Archangels [[ArchangelUriel Uriel]], [[ArchangelRaphael Raphael]], and [[ArchangelMichael Michael]] are overlords of the theocratic dictatorship that has overthrown Tokyo AfterTheEnd. While they allegedly divided the city into five districts in accordance to the division of labor, it is clear they favor the wealthy Central District and feel free to neglect, abuse, and slaughter outright the residents of the other four. When signs of rebellion appear in the Valhalla district, they order the Demon Lord Abaddon to devour it whole, promising to restore his angelic status if he did so; when he is finished, they [[ILied cast him back into the demon world]]. The entirety of the Arcadia district has been lobotomized and plugged into {{Lotus Eater Machine}}s, causing them to believe they live in an idyllic paradise while their physical bodies waste away; [[TheHero Aleph]] is subsequently informed the the Archangels intended to do the same to the entire planet. The workers of [[TheGulag the Factory District]] have been brainwashed into slavery by the song of a Siren, who is routinely tortured by the Archangels' henchmen to keep her singing. Finally, they attempt to get Aleph and his comrade Zayin to surrender to them by holding the entire Holytown district hostage, threatening to cut off their air supply and slowly suffocate them to death.
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** The twisted versions of Archangels [[ArchangelUriel Uriel]], [[ArchangelRaphael Raphael]], and [[ArchangelMichael Michael]] are overlords of the theocratic dictatorship that has overthrown Tokyo AfterTheEnd. While they allegedly divided the city into five districts in accordance to the division of labor, it is clear they favor the wealthy Central District and feel free to neglect, abuse, and slaughter outright the residents of the other four. When signs of rebellion appear in the Valhalla district, they order the Demon Lord Abaddon to devour it whole, promising to restore his angelic status if he did so; when he is finished, they [[ILied cast him back into the demon world]]. The entirety of the Arcadia district has been lobotomized and plugged into {{Lotus Eater Machine}}s, causing them to believe they live in an idyllic paradise while their physical bodies waste away; [[TheHero Aleph]] is subsequently informed the the Archangels intended to do the same to the entire planet. The workers of [[TheGulag the Factory District]] have been brainwashed into slavery by the song of a Siren, who is routinely tortured by the Archangels' henchmen to keep her singing. Finally, they attempt to get Aleph and his comrade Zayin to surrender to them by holding the entire Holytown district hostage, threatening to cut off their air supply and slowly suffocate them to death. [[spoiler:Even '''''YHVH Himself''''' finds their actions to be unacceptable.]]
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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Satan betraying YHVH in the Law route can come of as pretty much out of nowhere with no foreshadowing for it happening. In later releases with the Visionary Items they tend to avoid this, having a specific one that foreshadows Zayin turning on YHVH because God's Judge is meant to judge everyone [[LoopholeAbuse no exceptions]]]].
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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Satan betraying YHVH in the Law route can come of as pretty much out of nowhere with no foreshadowing for it happening. In later releases with the Visionary Items they tend to avoid this, having a specific one that foreshadows Zayin turning on YHVH because God's Judge is meant to judge everyone everyone, [[LoopholeAbuse no exceptions]]]].
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* ScrappyMechanic: Partway through the game, the Center becomes off-limits, and naturally the Terminal stops working as well. Later in the game, you get access to the Center again, but the Terminal's teleport function never reactivates. The nearest Terminals all require a good few minutes of walking to get back to the Center, resulting in a good deal of padding whenever the game expects you to go back to the Center.
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** Partway through the game, the Center becomes off-limits, and naturally the Terminal stops working as well. Later in the game, you get access to the Center again, but the Terminal's teleport function never reactivates. The nearest Terminals all require a good few minutes of walking to get back to the Center, resulting in a good deal of padding whenever the game expects you to go back to theCenter.Center.
** At various points in the game Aleph will be checked for a particular stat in order to proceed, requiring either intense LevelGrinding or incense consumption in order to pass the check. The worst of these are any stat check that requires Magic, as it [[DumpStat does nothing to help Aleph]] due to him being a purely physical fighter. You can at the very least cheat the system for the plot-mandatory checks by giving Aleph stat boosting equipment and drinks from the Bar, but the [[BonusDungeon Kongokai]] checks circumvent those bonuses and only search Aleph's pure statline.
** Partway through the game, the Center becomes off-limits, and naturally the Terminal stops working as well. Later in the game, you get access to the Center again, but the Terminal's teleport function never reactivates. The nearest Terminals all require a good few minutes of walking to get back to the Center, resulting in a good deal of padding whenever the game expects you to go back to the
** At various points in the game Aleph will be checked for a particular stat in order to proceed, requiring either intense LevelGrinding or incense consumption in order to pass the check. The worst of these are any stat check that requires Magic, as it [[DumpStat does nothing to help Aleph]] due to him being a purely physical fighter. You can at the very least cheat the system for the plot-mandatory checks by giving Aleph stat boosting equipment and drinks from the Bar, but the [[BonusDungeon Kongokai]] checks circumvent those bonuses and only search Aleph's pure statline.
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* {{Narm}}: If you refuse to side with [[spoiler:Zayin and Gabriel]], they will throw you out of [[spoiler:Eden]], telling you that you are BeyondRedemption. However, the sound effect that plays during this moment and the way you land outside the Center's entrance without any harm done seem to imply that they literally just picked you up and tossed you out the window.
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* EvenBetterSequel: While the first game is nothing short of groundbreaking for its time, this was the game to introduce many of the most interesting concepts to the series and features one hell of a weird, interesting and surprisingly deep story for a Super Famicom game. In addition, this is the first time the series introduced Lucifer [[spoiler: and YHVH]], both of whom would go on to develop the ideological conflict between Chaos and Law to a much more interesting angle.
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Once more, no proof of Aleph being able to find SMT I hero's corpse in the cave seems to exist. This seems to be a myth based on the backstory.
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** Finding [[spoiler:the corpse of the Hero from ''SMT I'']], again for those who have played the previous game. You already knew this person's plans didn't work out, but to see that [[spoiler:he died alone in a cave]]? ''Damn.''
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** Finding The fact that [[spoiler:the corpse of the Hero from ''SMT I'']], I'']] was found in the backstory as having died alone in a cave-in, again for those who have played the previous game. You already knew this person's plans didn't work out, but to see that [[spoiler:he died alone in a cave]]? ''Damn.''
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* ScrappyMechanic: Partway through the game, the Center becomes off-limits, and naturally the Terminal stops working as well. Later in the game, you get access to the Center again, but the Terminal's teleport function never reactivates. The nearest Terminals all require a good few minutes of walking to get back to the Center, resulting in a good deal of padding whenever the game expects you to go back to the Center.
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* MainstreamObscurity: Most people with even a cursory knowledge of ''Shin Megami Tensei'' know this is the game where [[spoiler: you fight YHVH]]. The number of people who know anything else about the story, let alone have actually ''played'' the game, is far smaller.
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** [[PsychoSupporter The Center Bishop]], as revealed by the Visionary Items in the remakes, is the Archangels' [[TheDragon top enforcer]]. As leader of the Temple Knights, the Bishop orders the execution of all captured rebels, even [[WouldHurtAChild killing children]] without offering them a second chance. Also overseeing the Messiah Project, the Bishop provides Mekata with a supply of infants to test his rapid aging procedure on; when Mekata protests that the Bishop's requests could kill them, the Bishop responds that [[WeHaveReserves he'll keep providing Mekata with babies to replace the dead ones]] and to put it out of his mind. Also in charge of the education of the children born from the project, the Bishop ensures their only desire is to follow their assigned role, taking a particularly sadistic delight in tricking Daleth into believing he's the Messiah. When Aleph resurfaces, the Bishop turns a Jack Frost into King Frost and lets him ravage Holytown, but leaves out his true role as a sacrifice for the Messiah's rise to power.
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* AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame: This game might as well be named "[[TheOneWith The One Where You Fight YHVH]]" among those who've heard of it but never played it. The game does have a lot of plot besides that, but only die-hard fans know much of it.
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* SignatureScene: As mentioned above, [[spoiler:the battle with YHVH]] is one of the most remembered parts of the entire franchise. While it's the least liked route, Law's version of it is probably the most well known, as [[spoiler:Satan realizes the gravity of what just happened and calls YHVH out, proclaiming that it's time for the ultimate creator to be judged]].
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* SignatureScene: As mentioned above, [[spoiler:the [[spoiler:The battle with YHVH]] is one of the most remembered parts of the entire franchise. While it's the least liked route, Law's version of it is probably the most well known, as [[spoiler:Satan realizes the gravity of what just happened and calls YHVH out, proclaiming that it's time for the ultimate creator to be judged]].
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The series' version of YHVH has never differed in any way. Moreover, per the YMMV page on IVA, that game does not feature or even mention "The Great Will" at all.
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* NeverLiveItDown: It may not be an exaggeration to say that this game was this for [[spoiler: God.]] While he's gotten more nuanced portrayals in later games, his incarnation in SMT II is what most fans default to when they think of [[spoiler: YHVH.]] [[spoiler:And then in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', it seems as if his portrayal in this game was so lasting that Atlus gave up trying to fix him, revealing that YHVH and the Great Will are not the exact same being. YHVH was so crazy that the Great Will was trying to stop him]].
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** One of the many Messian types you can fight in this game are the Terminators, who are based on [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} exactly what you'd expect]]. Despite only appearing in this game, they're far and away the most popular regular enemies in the game, with many clamoring for them to return in some form.
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* CrazyAwesome: [[http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1988/crusaderk.jpg Messian Terminators]] are armored knights with jetpacks DualWielding a shotgun and assault rifle. And don't forget; they have jetpacks.
