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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulElite attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to LikeParentLikeSpouse (in some fairness, she is right).
** His mother did wish he will find love though, but most likely knows he will not due to his incestous feelings for her. To be fair, though Bart feels betrayed by his family, in truth, he did betray them, as his mother points out to him. His anger and violence might be justified, but does not excuse the means, Bart does do things to provoke his family. His parents might prefer his siblings to him and his nephew and niece, but because of the unkindness he shows them, because they felt betrayed by him, though it is not entirely one sided. They do love him though just as much though. Bart evens admits during the eulogy that his father was a great father, and Bart and Cathy do make peace. In the note his mother leaves at the end, it basically sums up that she and Chris have loved all their children equally, but for Bart it was not too late and it will not ever be too late. It is probably one of the most heartwarming moments of the book.
** His mother did wish he will find love though, but most likely knows he will not due to his incestous feelings for her. To be fair, though Bart feels betrayed by his family, in truth, he did betray them, as his mother points out to him. His anger and violence might be justified, but does not excuse the means, Bart does do things to provoke his family. His parents might prefer his siblings to him and his nephew and niece, but because of the unkindness he shows them, because they felt betrayed by him, though it is not entirely one sided. They do love him though just as much though. Bart evens admits during the eulogy that his father was a great father, and Bart and Cathy do make peace. In the note his mother leaves at the end, it basically sums up that she and Chris have loved all their children equally, but for Bart it was not too late and it will not ever be too late. It is probably one of the most heartwarming moments of the book.
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulElite attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to LikeParentLikeSpouse (in some fairness, she is right).
right). However, his mother did feel this unconsciously, as she expresses that she always loved him just as much as his siblings, it is just his dark behavior distanced him from the rest of the family, and she had tremendous pity for him when he was a child.
** His mother did wish he will find love though, but most likely knows he will not due to his incestous feelings for her. To be fair, though Bart feels betrayed by his family, in truth, he did betray them, as his mother points out to him. His anger and violence might be justified, but does not excuse the means, Bart does do things to provoke his family. His parents might prefer his siblings to him and his nephew and niece, but because of the unkindness he shows them, because they felt betrayed by him, though it is not entirely onesided. sided, and again, his mother has felt this favoritism unintentionally. They do love him though just as much though. though, Bart evens admits during the eulogy that his father was a great father, and Bart and Cathy do make peace. In the note his mother leaves at the end, it basically sums up that she and Chris have loved all their children equally, but for Bart it was not too late and it will not ever be too late. It is probably one of the most heartwarming moments of the book.
** His mother did wish he will find love though, but most likely knows he will not due to his incestous feelings for her. To be fair, though Bart feels betrayed by his family, in truth, he did betray them, as his mother points out to him. His anger and violence might be justified, but does not excuse the means, Bart does do things to provoke his family. His parents might prefer his siblings to him and his nephew and niece, but because of the unkindness he shows them, because they felt betrayed by him, though it is not entirely one
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulElite attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex (in some fairness, she is right).
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulElite attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex LikeParentLikeSpouse (in some fairness, she is right).
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The Incest Subtext between Cindy and Bart is very heavy-handed, and this is VC Andrews, the idea that it's unintentional is bunk
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** This happens for some on the context of Bart and Cindy's relationship to one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Despite disliking her, Bart decorates Cindy's room ''exactly'' as she would like it--she marvels at this. Later, Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks into her room to check on her, she knowingly lets him look at her while she's wearing little more than skimpy nightgowns. He blatantly outright seems to think maybe she would want him to do to her what Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
*** Oddly enough Melodie--a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life--makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
** Melodie's behavior is explained in the book as indifference and estrangement from her [[spoiler:newly disabled]] husband, but the actual symptoms read as severe depression. She stops maintaining her personal hygiene, withdraws from the family, stays in her room most of the time, loses interest in her previous hobbies and activities, can't care for her newborns to the point that a nurse must be brought in, loses her appetite (literally every scene in which she's shown eating describes her as "listless" and "nibbling," and it's remarked how infrequently she shows up for meals at all and how much weight she's lost), and becomes unable to hold a meaningful conversation. More ominously, when she ''does'' speak, she expresses hopelessness and a fatalistic certainty that nothing will ever change. What's troubling is that this starts [[spoiler:the night Jory's injured]] and lasts for well over six months. In clinical terms, that strongly implies that her depression isn't ''caused'' by the accident, but that the accident triggered a preexisting, undiagnosed mental illness.
* BrokenBase: The above elements seem to have been a dormant one for years. As some see that as a romantic undertone to repeat the cycle. While others see it as just a hideous family relationship based on spite.
** This happens for some on the context of Bart and Cindy's relationship to one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Despite disliking her, Bart decorates Cindy's room ''exactly'' as she would like it--she marvels at this. Later, Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks into her room to check on her, she knowingly lets him look at her while she's wearing little more than skimpy nightgowns. He blatantly outright seems to think maybe she would want him to do to her what Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
*** Oddly enough Melodie--a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life--makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
** Melodie's behavior is explained in the book as indifference and estrangement from her [[spoiler:newly disabled]] husband, but the actual symptoms read as severe depression. She stops maintaining her personal hygiene, withdraws from the family, stays in her room most of the time, loses interest in her previous hobbies and activities, can't care for her newborns to the point that a nurse must be brought in, loses her appetite (literally every scene in which she's shown eating describes her as "listless" and "nibbling," and it's remarked how infrequently she shows up for meals at all and how much weight she's lost), and becomes unable to hold a meaningful conversation. More ominously, when she ''does'' speak, she expresses hopelessness and a fatalistic certainty that nothing will ever change. What's troubling is that this starts [[spoiler:the night Jory's injured]] and lasts for well over six months. In clinical terms, that strongly implies that her depression isn't ''caused'' by the accident, but that the accident triggered a preexisting, undiagnosed mental illness.
* BrokenBase: The above elements seem to have been a dormant one for years. As some see that as a romantic undertone to repeat the cycle. While others see it as just a hideous family relationship based on spite.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** This happens for some on the context of Bart and Cindy's relationship to one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Despite disliking her, Bart decorates Cindy's room ''exactly'' as she would like it--she marvels at this. Later, Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks into her room to check on her, she knowingly lets him look at her while she's wearing little more than skimpy nightgowns. He blatantly outright seems to think maybe she would want him to do to her what Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
*** Oddly enough Melodie--a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life--makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
**AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Melodie's behavior is explained in the book as indifference and estrangement from her [[spoiler:newly disabled]] husband, but the actual symptoms read as severe depression. She stops maintaining her personal hygiene, withdraws from the family, stays in her room most of the time, loses interest in her previous hobbies and activities, can't care for her newborns to the point that a nurse must be brought in, loses her appetite (literally every scene in which she's shown eating describes her as "listless" and "nibbling," and it's remarked how infrequently she shows up for meals at all and how much weight she's lost), and becomes unable to hold a meaningful conversation. More ominously, when she ''does'' speak, she expresses hopelessness and a fatalistic certainty that nothing will ever change. What's troubling is that this starts [[spoiler:the night Jory's injured]] and lasts for well over six months. In clinical terms, that strongly implies that her depression isn't ''caused'' by the accident, but that the accident triggered a preexisting, undiagnosed mental illness.
* BrokenBase: Bart and Cindy's relationship. Theabove elements seem IncestSubtext between them is heavy and intentional--but what to have been make of that? Is there a dormant one for years. As some see soft side to it that as a romantic undertone to repeat the cycle. While others see could win out? Or is it as just a hideous family relationship based on spite.spite that will never be anything other than destructive to both of them?
** This happens for some on the context of Bart and Cindy's relationship to one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Despite disliking her, Bart decorates Cindy's room ''exactly'' as she would like it--she marvels at this. Later, Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks into her room to check on her, she knowingly lets him look at her while she's wearing little more than skimpy nightgowns. He blatantly outright seems to think maybe she would want him to do to her what Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
*** Oddly enough Melodie--a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life--makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
**
* BrokenBase: Bart and Cindy's relationship. The
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: This happens for some on the context of Bart and Cindy's relationship to one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Despite disliking her, Bart decorates Cindy's room ''exactly'' as she would like it--she marvels at this. Later, Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks into her room to check on her, she knowingly lets him look at her while she's wearing little more than skimpy nightgowns. He blatantly outright seems to think maybe she would want him to do to her what Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
** Oddly enough Melodie--a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life--makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
** Oddly enough Melodie--a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life--makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** This happens for some on the context of Bart and Cindy's relationship to one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Despite disliking her, Bart decorates Cindy's room ''exactly'' as she would like it--she marvels at this. Later, Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks into her room to check on her, she knowingly lets him look at her while she's wearing little more than skimpy nightgowns. He blatantly outright seems to think maybe she would want him to do to her what Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
** *** Oddly enough Melodie--a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life--makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.Samson.
** Melodie's behavior is explained in the book as indifference and estrangement from her [[spoiler:newly disabled]] husband, but the actual symptoms read as severe depression. She stops maintaining her personal hygiene, withdraws from the family, stays in her room most of the time, loses interest in her previous hobbies and activities, can't care for her newborns to the point that a nurse must be brought in, loses her appetite (literally every scene in which she's shown eating describes her as "listless" and "nibbling," and it's remarked how infrequently she shows up for meals at all and how much weight she's lost), and becomes unable to hold a meaningful conversation. More ominously, when she ''does'' speak, she expresses hopelessness and a fatalistic certainty that nothing will ever change. What's troubling is that this starts [[spoiler:the night Jory's injured]] and lasts for well over six months. In clinical terms, that strongly implies that her depression isn't ''caused'' by the accident, but that the accident triggered a preexisting, undiagnosed mental illness.
** This happens for some on the context of Bart and Cindy's relationship to one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Despite disliking her, Bart decorates Cindy's room ''exactly'' as she would like it--she marvels at this. Later, Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks into her room to check on her, she knowingly lets him look at her while she's wearing little more than skimpy nightgowns. He blatantly outright seems to think maybe she would want him to do to her what Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
** Melodie's behavior is explained in the book as indifference and estrangement from her [[spoiler:newly disabled]] husband, but the actual symptoms read as severe depression. She stops maintaining her personal hygiene, withdraws from the family, stays in her room most of the time, loses interest in her previous hobbies and activities, can't care for her newborns to the point that a nurse must be brought in, loses her appetite (literally every scene in which she's shown eating describes her as "listless" and "nibbling," and it's remarked how infrequently she shows up for meals at all and how much weight she's lost), and becomes unable to hold a meaningful conversation. More ominously, when she ''does'' speak, she expresses hopelessness and a fatalistic certainty that nothing will ever change. What's troubling is that this starts [[spoiler:the night Jory's injured]] and lasts for well over six months. In clinical terms, that strongly implies that her depression isn't ''caused'' by the accident, but that the accident triggered a preexisting, undiagnosed mental illness.
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** Considering Cathy's in her early 50s when she dies, old age makeup wouldn't really be all that necessary.
* TearJerker:[[spoiler: [[spoilehr: Cathy's death]] Especially so, in the movie.
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** Oddly enough Melodie, a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
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** Oddly enough Melodie, a Melodie--a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life makes life--makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
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** To be fair, though Bart feels betrayed by his family, in truth, he did betray them, as his mother points out to him. His anger and violence might be justified, but does not excuse the means, Bart does do things to provoke his family. His parents might prefer his siblings to him and his nephew and niece, but because they felt betrayed by him. They do love him though just as much. Bart evens admits during the eulogy that his father was a great father, and Bart and Cathy do make peace. In the note his mother leaves at the end, it basically sums up that she and Chris have loved all their children equally, but for Bart it was not too late and it will not ever be too late. It is probably one of the most heartwarming moments of the book.
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** His mother did wish he will find love though, but most likely knows he will not due to his incestous feelings for her. To be fair, though Bart feels betrayed by his family, in truth, he did betray them, as his mother points out to him. His anger and violence might be justified, but does not excuse the means, Bart does do things to provoke his family. His parents might prefer his siblings to him and his nephew and niece, but because of the unkindness he shows them, because they felt betrayed by him. him, though it is not entirely one sided. They do love him though just as much.much though. Bart evens admits during the eulogy that his father was a great father, and Bart and Cathy do make peace. In the note his mother leaves at the end, it basically sums up that she and Chris have loved all their children equally, but for Bart it was not too late and it will not ever be too late. It is probably one of the most heartwarming moments of the book.
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** In the end Bart does give an eulogy for his father and admits he was a great father, and Bart and Cathy do make peace. While Chris and Cathy do favor his brother and sister to him, for various reasons, they do clearly love him as well, and though it is quite easy to feel sorry for Bart, it does not justify the means of all his anger and resentment, because his mother does try to reconcile their relationship, which obviously does not work.
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** In To be fair, though Bart feels betrayed by his family, in truth, he did betray them, as his mother points out to him. His anger and violence might be justified, but does not excuse the end means, Bart does give an do things to provoke his family. His parents might prefer his siblings to him and his nephew and niece, but because they felt betrayed by him. They do love him though just as much. Bart evens admits during the eulogy for that his father and admits he was a great father, and Bart and Cathy do make peace. While Chris and Cathy do favor his brother and sister to him, for various reasons, they do clearly love him as well, and though it is quite easy to feel sorry for Bart, it does not justify In the means of all his anger and resentment, because note his mother does try to reconcile leaves at the end, it basically sums up that she and Chris have loved all their relationship, which obviously does children equally, but for Bart it was not work.too late and it will not ever be too late. It is probably one of the most heartwarming moments of the book.
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulElite attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex (in some fairness, she is right).
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulElite attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex (in some fairness, she is right).right).
** In the end Bart does give an eulogy for his father and admits he was a great father, and Bart and Cathy do make peace. While Chris and Cathy do favor his brother and sister to him, for various reasons, they do clearly love him as well, and though it is quite easy to feel sorry for Bart, it does not justify the means of all his anger and resentment, because his mother does try to reconcile their relationship, which obviously does not work.
** In the end Bart does give an eulogy for his father and admits he was a great father, and Bart and Cathy do make peace. While Chris and Cathy do favor his brother and sister to him, for various reasons, they do clearly love him as well, and though it is quite easy to feel sorry for Bart, it does not justify the means of all his anger and resentment, because his mother does try to reconcile their relationship, which obviously does not work.
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulPeople attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex (in some fairness, she is right).
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulPeople [[TheBeautifulElite attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex (in some fairness, she is right).
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* FandomBerserkButton: The Lifetime movie clearly brought it out by giving Bart and Cindy direct RelationshipUpgrade, this really ticked off some fans, others thought it was a fair change due to the above.
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* WhatTheHellHero: Depending on one's own POV this might be felt by some to Cathy's meddling or Chris having outright denials in regards to Joel.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: This happens for some on the context of Bart and Cindy's relationship to one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks in to check on her room, she knowingly let him look at her. He blatantly outright seems to think maybe she would want him to do to her like Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: This happens for some on the context of Bart and Cindy's relationship to one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Despite disliking her, Bart decorates Cindy's room ''exactly'' as she would like it--she marvels at this. Later, Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks in into her room to check on her room, her, she knowingly let lets him look at her. her while she's wearing little more than skimpy nightgowns. He blatantly outright seems to think maybe she would want him to do to her like what Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
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* BrokenBase: The above elements seem to have been a dormant one for years. As some see that as a romantic undertone to repeat the cycle. While others see it as just a hideous family relationship on spite.
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* BrokenBase: The above elements seem to have been a dormant one for years. As some see that as a romantic undertone to repeat the cycle. While others see it as just a hideous family relationship based on spite.
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* {{Narm}}: Cathy's death from old age in the movie, given that Rachel Carpani (her actress) is only in her late thirties and not a lick of effort was made to make her look older.
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* BaseBreaker: The above elements seem to have been a dormant one for years. As some see that as a romantic undertone to repeat the cycle. While others see it as just a hideous family relationship on spite.
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* BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: The above elements seem to have been a dormant one for years. As some see that as a romantic undertone to repeat the cycle. While others see it as just a hideous family relationship on spite.
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** Melodie's "Dear John" letter to Jory, in which she tearfully derides herself as a "coward" for her failure to deal with his paralysis. Cathy can't bring herself to tell him that their marriage wouldn't have lasted even if he hadn't been injured, having realized that what Melodie said was indeed true, that she couldn't cope with the changes that life might bring.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Does Bart like Cindy? The Lifetime movie clearly sided with those fans that say yes.
* BaseBreaker: Likewise to the above, the book is told from Cathy's POV so there is no direct answer, only what is implied by Bart's statements to Cathy, and Cindy's parallels to Cathy, and Bart's influences to think there is something beyond just spite. But as seen below, whether Andrews implied it or not was apparently a dormant BaseBreaker for years.
* FandomBerserkButton: The Lifetime movie clearly brought it out by giving Bart and Cindy direct RelationshipUpgrade, this really ticked off some fans, others thought it was a fair change due to the above.
* BaseBreaker: Likewise to the above, the book is told from Cathy's POV so there is no direct answer, only what is implied by Bart's statements to Cathy, and Cindy's parallels to Cathy, and Bart's influences to think there is something beyond just spite. But as seen below, whether Andrews implied it or not was apparently a dormant BaseBreaker for years.
* FandomBerserkButton: The Lifetime movie clearly brought it out by giving Bart and Cindy direct RelationshipUpgrade, this really ticked off some fans, others thought it was a fair change due to the above.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Does This happens for some on the context of Bart like Cindy? The Lifetime movie clearly sided with those fans that say yes.
* BaseBreaker: Likewise to the above, the book is told from Cathy's POV so there is no direct answer, only what is implied by Bart's statements to Cathy,and Cindy's parallels relationship to Cathy, and one another. Some would believe there is romantic undertones while some would argue there are none. It is clear Bart has an OedipusComplex to his mother but the character Cathy compares to herself the most in the narrative is Cindy. Certain parts also read in favor of the interpretation. Cindy wears a revealing dress in Bart's influences favorite color which ends with him taking her upstairs for a spanking. Plus when Bart catches her engaged in sex with a guy, both times he brutally assaulted both boys. The latter ending with her taking her back into the house while still naked to be spat upon by the Evil Uncle who condemns all sex as evil. The most telling example is in one speech he says he has nothing but spite for her, yet a few paragraphs later he mentions that sometimes when he looks in to check on her room, she knowingly let him look at her. He blatantly outright seems to think there maybe she would want him to do to her like Chris does to Cathy. So even if YMMV on how sincere he is, that would practically imply he at some point thought about it.
** Oddly enough Melodie, a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
* BaseBreaker: The above elements seem to have been a dormant one for years. As some see that as a romantic undertone to repeat the cycle. While others see it as just a hideous family relationship on spite.
** Within the book itself Cathy sees Cindy and Bart on tv together singing, which only confirms they have patched things up but is still somethingbeyond just spite. But as seen below, whether Andrews implied it or not was apparently a dormant BaseBreaker for years.
one could read subtext into.
* FandomBerserkButton: The Lifetime movie clearly brought it out by giving Bart and Cindy direct RelationshipUpgrade, this really ticked off some fans, others thought it was a fair change due to the above.
* BaseBreaker: Likewise to the above, the book is told from Cathy's POV so there is no direct answer, only what is implied by Bart's statements to Cathy,
** Oddly enough Melodie, a character who by this point in the novel was rather out of life makes one comment that no one else really bothers to dwell on. Upon seeing Cindy's taste in a boyfriend she remarks that Cindy seems to like dark men like her brothers. Which besides all of the above earlier Cindy took Melodie's place in dancing the Delilah to her other brother's Samson.
* BaseBreaker: The above elements seem to have been a dormant one for years. As some see that as a romantic undertone to repeat the cycle. While others see it as just a hideous family relationship on spite.
** Within the book itself Cathy sees Cindy and Bart on tv together singing, which only confirms they have patched things up but is still something
* FandomBerserkButton: The Lifetime movie clearly brought it out by giving Bart and Cindy direct RelationshipUpgrade, this really ticked off some fans, others thought it was a fair change due to the above.
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* WhatTheHellHero: Depending on one's own POV this might be felt by some to Cathy's meddling or Chris having outright denials in regards to Joel.
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* FandomBerserkButton: The lifetime movie clearly brought it out by giving Bart and Cindy direct RelationshipUpgrade, this really ticked off some fans, others thought it was a fair change due to the above.
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Cathy's death]]
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Cathy's death]]
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* FandomBerserkButton: The lifetime Lifetime movie clearly brought it out by giving Bart and Cindy direct RelationshipUpgrade, this really ticked off some fans, others thought it was a fair change due to the above.
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Cathy'sdeath]]death]] Especially so, in the movie.
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Cathy's
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulPeople attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex.
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulPeople attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex.OedipusComplex (in some fairness, she is right).
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* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulPeople attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex.
* TheWoobie: It's easier to feel sorrier for Bart than for anyone else in the family. He never seems to have a fulfilling relationship, romantic or otherwise, and his parents favor his older brother and younger sister (both of them [[TheBeautifulPeople attractive dancers]]) over him. Even his own mother thinks that he will never find true love due to his OedipusComplex.
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* BaseBreaker: Likewise to the above, the book is told from Cathy's POV so there is no direct answer, only what is implied by Bart's statements to Cathy, and Cindy's parallels to Cathy, and Bart's influences to think there is something beyond just spite. But as seen below, whether Andrews implied it or not was apparently a dormant BaseBreaker for years.
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* FandomBerserkButton: The lifetime movie clearly brought it out by giving Bart and Cindy direct RelationshipUpgrade, this really ticked off some fans, others thought it was a fair change due to the above.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Does Bart like Cindy? The Lifetime movie clearly sided with those fans that say yes.
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