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* IdiotPlot: The plot happens because Greg wrote the truth about what happened over the summer with the haunted camera. Mr. Saur gives him an F for making stuff up His friends even lampshade that he could have lied a little, because no one believes them. And instead of accepting the loss, Greg goes back to the house to get the camera and prove to Mr. Saur that he's telling the truth.
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This is a case of a reviewer reference being a bit needless so...


* ValuesDissonance: As WebVideo/ThePopArena brought up in his video on the book, a majority of it revolves around fat shaming which, even in 1996 was nowhere close to appropriate for a children's book. The 2018 Ebook version is the only one that actually attempts to downplay these moments, editing much of it out.

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* ValuesDissonance: As WebVideo/ThePopArena brought up in his video on the book, a A majority of it the book revolves around fat shaming which, even in 1996 was nowhere close to appropriate for a children's book. The 2018 Ebook version is the only one that actually attempts to downplay these moments, editing much of it out.
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* ValuesDissonance: As WebVideo/ThePopArena brought up in his video on the book, a majority of it revolves around fat shaming which, even in 1996 was nowhere close to appropriate for a children's book.

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* ValuesDissonance: As WebVideo/ThePopArena brought up in his video on the book, a majority of it revolves around fat shaming which, even in 1996 was nowhere close to appropriate for a children's book.
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* ValuesDissonance: As WebVideo/ThePopArena brought up in his video on the book, a majority of it revolves around fat shaming which, even in 1996 was nowhere close to appropriate for a children's book.
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Seems like What An Idiot is no longer allowed on work pages, so away it goes.


* WhatAnIdiot: It never seemed to cross Greg's mind that no one will believe a story of him and his misadventures of the evil camera he and his friends used in the past summer. So why write a report on such a story that everyone else will obviously not believe?

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* WhatAnIdiot: It never seemed to cross Greg's mind that no one will believe a story of him and his misadventures of the evil camera he and his friends used in the past summer. So why write a report on such a story that everyone else will obviously not believe?

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I don't think there's enough people liking it to count for broken base. Also trying to remove some complaining.


* BrokenBase: This book is either a decent follow-up to the previous book or one of the worst books in the original series. The graphic depictions of Greg's weight gain doesn't help very much.



* IdiotPlot: The plot happens because Greg wrote the truth about what happened over the summer with the haunted camera. Mr. Saur gives him an F for making stuff up His friends even lampshade that he could have lied a little, because no one believes them. And instead of accepting the loss, Greg goes back to the house to get the camera and prove to Mr. Saur that he's telling the truth. Can you say TooDumbToLive?
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: It's harder to sympathize with Greg when his teacher and classmates make fun of him for his weight gain considering the fact that the reason he gained weight in the first place was because he was foolish enough to retrieve the evil camera that caused harm to his family and even death last year. Even in the first book, he continued taking pictures of his friends and family with the camera, not being able to put two and two together and figure out that it was dangerous after it caused harm to happen each time he snapped a picture. On top of that, Greg was also dumb enough to include his misadventures with the camera in his class report, believing that a teacher such as ''[[SadistTeacher Sourball Saur]]'' (or anyone not named Shari, Michael, or Bird for that matter) would actually believe such a story that would seem implausible to a normal person instead of just a regular, more believable summer story. So the grade his teacher gave him on his report was well-deserved.
* WhatAnIdiot:
** It never seemed to cross Greg's mind that no one will believe a story of him and his misadventures of the evil camera he and his friends used in the past summer. So why write a report on such a story that everyone else will obviously not believe?
** Greg also seems to not learn that when holding on to the camera, ''keep your damn fingers away from the shutter!'' That way, he would avoid inadvertently taking another person's picture.

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* IdiotPlot: The plot happens because Greg wrote the truth about what happened over the summer with the haunted camera. Mr. Saur gives him an F for making stuff up His friends even lampshade that he could have lied a little, because no one believes them. And instead of accepting the loss, Greg goes back to the house to get the camera and prove to Mr. Saur that he's telling the truth. Can you say TooDumbToLive?
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: It's harder to sympathize with Greg when his teacher and classmates make fun of him for his weight gain considering the fact that the reason he gained weight in the first place was because he was foolish enough to retrieve the evil camera that caused harm to his family and even death last year. Even in the first book, he continued taking pictures of his friends and family with the camera, not being able to put two and two together and figure out that it was dangerous after it caused harm to happen each time he snapped a picture. On top of that, Greg was also dumb enough to include his misadventures with the camera in his class report, believing that a teacher such as ''[[SadistTeacher [[SadistTeacher Sourball Saur]]'' (or anyone not named Shari, Michael, or Bird for that matter) Saur]] would actually believe such a story that would seem implausible to a normal person instead of just a regular, more believable summer story. So the grade his teacher gave him on his report was well-deserved.
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WhatAnIdiot: It never seemed to cross Greg's mind that no one will believe a story of him and his misadventures of the evil camera he and his friends used in the past summer. So why write a report on such a story that everyone else will obviously not believe?
** Greg also seems to not learn that when holding on to the camera, ''keep your damn fingers away from the shutter!'' That way, he would avoid inadvertently taking another person's picture.
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I'll let broken base stay for now even though I've seen no one major like this one, but this isn't accurate. Also some complaining needs a rewrite


* SoOkayItsAverage: The general response to the book. It's nowhere near the worst book in the original series but it's still considered by many fans to be one of the more forgettable books in the original series.

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* BrokenBase: This book is either a decent follow-up to the previous book or one of the worst books in the original series. The graphic depictions of Greg's weight gain doesn't help very much.


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* SoOkayItsAverage: The general response to the book. It's nowhere near the worst book in the original series but it's still considered by many fans to be one of the more forgettable books in the original series.

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Splitting "Moments" tropes into their own pages.


* NightmareFuel:
** The first photo taken in the sequel causes a young boy to have an extremely sharp carpenter's nail ''jammed through his foot''.
** The scariest photos of all in the ''Say Cheese and Die'' series are the two that cause the main plot of this book. The first is a negative of Shari, which seems OK, but the second is of a ''morbidly obese'' (at least in the four-hundred pound range--and remember, this is a preteen boy) Greg. Unlike the previous book, where the horrible accidents the camera bestowed happened in a single instant, this book stretches out Greg and Shari's fates, with the former growing bigger with every passing minute and the latter losing weight at an alarming rate. By the time the book reaches its climax, Greg has become so huge that he can't walk, and Shari [[WeightLossHorror has grown so weak and thin that she can barely speak]]. Now, imagine being Greg and Shari's parents, and watching these inexplicable events happen to your own children. And there's ''nothing you can do to stop it''.\\\
Two things make this worse. The first is that Greg is treated to [[KidsAreCruel really nasty taunts and jokes about his weight]] by both his classmates and his [[SadistTeacher cruel teacher]] Mr. Saur on the first day of his weight gain. By the second day, even the meanest kids in class realize that something is ''terribly wrong'' with Greg, but Mr. Saur [[UpToEleven keeps mocking him]]. The second is that it's implied that the camera itself causes the horrible accidents its photos predict... which means that it ''chose'' to bestow slow, painful deaths on Greg and Shari. In other words, it actually knows that they tried to destroy it, and [[ItCanThink it's not happy with them]].



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* NightmareFuel:
** The story isn't much lighter than the book version in the horror department. Greg starts ballooning up and Shari is literally just wasting away. Greg manages to quickly figure out the solution: having his older brother (who conveniently works at a photo shop, as this was in the 90's [[TechnologyMarchesOn when digital cameras weren't the norm yet]]) switch the negatives on the two photos... But as he goes to do them, Greg and Shari are on their last legs and Greg starts ballooning to the point where he'll likely explode from the internal force. And, while we don't see all of Shari's body, we do see that her hand is ''becoming skeletal''. And this all as Greg is yelling for his brother to hurry. Just... [[BrainBleach yeesh]].
** Greg's [[SpecialEffectsFailure "fat makeup"]] doesn't help matters. It gives him jowls and makes his neck completely disappear, making it look as if ''his skin is melting right off his face''.

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* NightmareFuel:
** The story isn't much lighter than the book version in the horror department. Greg starts ballooning up and Shari is literally just wasting away. Greg manages to quickly figure out the solution: having his older brother (who conveniently works at a photo shop, as this was in the 90's [[TechnologyMarchesOn when digital cameras weren't the norm yet]]) switch the negatives on the two photos... But as he goes to do them, Greg and Shari are on their last legs and Greg starts ballooning to the point where he'll likely explode from the internal force. And, while we don't see all of Shari's body, we do see that her hand is ''becoming skeletal''. And this all as Greg is yelling for his brother to hurry. Just... [[BrainBleach yeesh]].
** Greg's [[SpecialEffectsFailure "fat makeup"]] doesn't help matters. It gives him jowls and makes his neck completely disappear, making it look as if ''his skin is melting right off his face''.
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* NightmareFuel:
** The first photo taken in the sequel causes a young boy to have an extremely sharp carpenter's nail ''jammed through his foot''.
** The scariest photos of all in the ''Say Cheese and Die'' series are the two that cause the main plot of this book. The first is a negative of Shari, which seems OK, but the second is of a ''morbidly obese'' (at least in the four-hundred pound range--and remember, this is a preteen boy) Greg. Unlike the previous book, where the horrible accidents the camera bestowed happened in a single instant, this book stretches out Greg and Shari's fates, with the former growing bigger with every passing minute and the latter losing weight at an alarming rate. By the time the book reaches its climax, Greg has become so huge that he can't walk, and Shari [[WeightLossHorror has grown so weak and thin that she can barely speak]]. Now, imagine being Greg and Shari's parents, and watching these inexplicable events happen to your own children. And there's ''nothing you can do to stop it''.\\\
Two things make this worse. The first is that Greg is treated to [[KidsAreCruel really nasty taunts and jokes about his weight]] by both his classmates and his [[SadistTeacher cruel teacher]] Mr. Saur on the first day of his weight gain. By the second day, even the meanest kids in class realize that something is ''terribly wrong'' with Greg, but Mr. Saur [[UpToEleven keeps mocking him]]. The second is that it's implied that the camera itself causes the horrible accidents its photos predict... which means that it ''chose'' to bestow slow, painful deaths on Greg and Shari. In other words, it actually knows that they tried to destroy it, and [[ItCanThink it's not happy with them]].



** Greg also seems to not learn that when holding on to the camera, ''keep your damn fingers away from the shutter!'' That way, he would avoid inadvertently taking another person's picture.

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** Greg also seems to not learn that when holding on to the camera, ''keep your damn fingers away from the shutter!'' That way, he would avoid inadvertently taking another person's picture.picture.

!!The episode contains examples of:

* NightmareFuel:
** The story isn't much lighter than the book version in the horror department. Greg starts ballooning up and Shari is literally just wasting away. Greg manages to quickly figure out the solution: having his older brother (who conveniently works at a photo shop, as this was in the 90's [[TechnologyMarchesOn when digital cameras weren't the norm yet]]) switch the negatives on the two photos... But as he goes to do them, Greg and Shari are on their last legs and Greg starts ballooning to the point where he'll likely explode from the internal force. And, while we don't see all of Shari's body, we do see that her hand is ''becoming skeletal''. And this all as Greg is yelling for his brother to hurry. Just... [[BrainBleach yeesh]].
** Greg's [[SpecialEffectsFailure "fat makeup"]] doesn't help matters. It gives him jowls and makes his neck completely disappear, making it look as if ''his skin is melting right off his face''.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The camera causes Greg to become severely obese. His classmates tease him about it for a few days, but stop once [[SadistTeacher Mr. Saurs]] takes part in cruelly mocking him. While his actions are shown as awful in the book, what with the recent epidemic of children developing eating disorders such as bulimia and anorexia, [[MoralEventHorizon it becomes downright disgusting]].
* IdiotPlot: The plot happens because Greg wrote the truth about what happened over the summer with the haunted camera. Mr. Saur gives him an F for making stuff up His friends even lampshade that he could have lied a little, because no one believes them. And instead of accepting the loss, Greg goes back to the house to get the camera and prove to Mr. Saur that he's telling the truth. Can you say TooDumbToLive?
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: It's harder to sympathize with Greg when his teacher and classmates make fun of him for his weight gain considering the fact that the reason he gained weight in the first place was because he was foolish enough to retrieve the evil camera that caused harm to his family and even death last year. Even in the first book, he continued taking pictures of his friends and family with the camera, not being able to put two and two together and figure out that it was dangerous after it caused harm to happen each time he snapped a picture. On top of that, Greg was also dumb enough to include his misadventures with the camera in his class report, believing that a teacher such as ''[[SadistTeacher Sourball Saur]]'' (or anyone not named Shari, Michael, or Bird for that matter) would actually believe such a story that would seem implausible to a normal person instead of just a regular, more believable summer story. So the grade his teacher gave him on his report was well-deserved.
* WhatAnIdiot:
**It never seemed to cross Greg's mind that no one will believe a story of him and his misadventures of the evil camera he and his friends used in the past summer. So why write a report on such a story that everyone else will obviously not believe?
** Greg also seems to not learn that when holding on to the camera, ''keep your damn fingers away from the shutter!'' That way, he would avoid inadvertently taking another person's picture.

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