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** While Josh's FinalSpeech to William is definitely over-the-top, it's one of the only times in a ''Saw'' movie that a trap victim gets to have their say before they bite the bullet, making it strangely badass in a way.

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** While Josh's FinalSpeech to William is definitely over-the-top, it's one of the only times in a ''Saw'' movie that a trap victim gets to have their say before they bite the bullet, dust, making it strangely badass in a way.
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* {{Narm}}:
** After the steam maze trap, where [[spoiler:William gets Debbie out of the maze but is unable to get her key in time before she is killed]], William leaves the room and retrieves his next key as if the script specifically directed him to grab the key as angrily as possible. [[https://youtu.be/pOs278oNNz4?t=285 Here's the result.]]
** Josh - the final victim of the carousel trap - starts demanding that William watch as he dies when he realizes his fate. What could be a heart-wrenching moment is made...''interesting'' by actor Shawn Mathieson's sudden Batman-esque growling and copious amount of spit being flung at the camera.
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* AssPull: TheReveal that the game [[spoiler:''isn't'' William's. In all trap plots before and after this one, the people forced into the game are the ones being tested, and the set up for this one even feels similar to that, with William having to decide who lives and dies amidst his staff while maiming himself to save them, representative of how his policy hurt others. Instead, the game is apparently Tara and Brent's, despite the two doing nothing but sitting in a cage watching William. It also isn't even clear what Jigsaw is testing them for, since while the obvious idea is if they'd be willing to forgive William after he doomed their husband/father to die due to his policy, the idea falls apart when ''neither'' forgive him, but while Tara can't bring herself to kill him, Brent ''can'', killing William while the two of them face no repercussions, made especially baffling when this ''is'' a game John Kramer designed, and yet Brent isn't punished for being a "killer".]]

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* AssPull: TheReveal that the main game [[spoiler:''isn't'' William's. In all trap plots before and after this one, the people forced into the game are the ones being tested, and the set up for this one even feels similar to that, with William having to decide who lives and dies amidst his staff while maiming himself to save them, representative of how his policy hurt others. Instead, the game is apparently Tara and Brent's, despite the two doing nothing but sitting in a cage watching William. It also isn't even clear what Jigsaw is testing them for, since while the obvious idea is if they'd be willing to forgive William after he doomed their husband/father to die due to his policy, the idea falls apart when ''neither'' forgive him, but while Tara can't bring herself to kill him, Brent ''can'', killing William while the two of them face no repercussions, made especially baffling when this ''is'' a game John Kramer designed, and yet Brent isn't punished for being a "killer".]]

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* [[YMMV/{{Saw}} Main franchise]]
* ''[[YMMV/SawI Saw]]''
* ''YMMV/SawII''
* ''YMMV/SawIII''
* ''YMMV/SawIV''
* ''YMMV/SawV''
* ''YMMV/Saw3D''
* ''YMMV/{{Jigsaw}}''
* ''YMMV/{{Spiral|2021}}''
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** The janitor is basically an innocent victim whose biggest crime is ''smoking,'' but Jigsaw flat-out says that smoking is a sign that you don't appreciate your life.

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** The janitor Hank is basically an innocent victim whose biggest crime is ''smoking,'' ''smoking'', but Jigsaw flat-out says that smoking is a sign that you don't appreciate your life.
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* AssPull: TheReveal that the game [[spoiler:''isn't'' William's. In all trap plots before and after this one, the people forced into the game are the ones being tested, and the set up for this one even feels similar to that, with William having to decide who lives and dies amidst his staff while maiming himself to save them, representative of how his policy hurt others. Instead, the game is apparently Tara and Brent's, despite the two doing nothing but sitting in a cage watching William. It also isn't even clear what Jigsaw is testing them for, since while the obvious idea is if they'd be willing to forgive William after he doomed their husband/father to die due to his policy, the idea falls apart when ''neither'' forgive him, but while Tara can't bring herself to kill him, Brent ''can'', killing William while the two of them face no repercussions, made especially baffling when this ''is'' a game John Kramer designed, and yet Brent isn't punished for being a "killer".]]
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** Shelby from the carousel trap and Simone from the opening trap. Simone gets RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap in ''The Final Chapter'', but Shelby? No such luck.

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** Shelby from the carousel trap and Simone from the opening trap. Simone gets RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap in ''The Final Chapter'', ''Saw 3D'', but Shelby? No such luck.

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* {{Narm}}: Josh - the final victim of the carousel trap - starts demanding that William watch as he dies when he realizes his fate. What could be a heart-wrenching moment is ruined by actor Shawn Mathieson's sudden Batman-esque growling and copious amount of spit being flung at the camera, putting it firmly in Narm territory.
* NarmCharm: Few would call Costas Mandylor's performance in the film worthy of Shakespeare, but he's also having a ball hamming it up as one of the most obviously evil characters in the series.

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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
** After the steam maze trap, where [[spoiler:William gets Debbie out of the maze but is unable to get her key in time before she is killed]], William leaves the room and retrieves his next key as if the script specifically directed him to grab the key as angrily as possible. [[https://youtu.be/pOs278oNNz4?t=285 Here's the result.]]
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Josh - the final victim of the carousel trap - starts demanding that William watch as he dies when he realizes his fate. What could be a heart-wrenching moment is ruined made...''interesting'' by actor Shawn Mathieson's sudden Batman-esque growling and copious amount of spit being flung at the camera, putting it firmly in Narm territory.
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Few would call Costas Mandylor's performance in the film worthy of Shakespeare, but he's also having a ball hamming it up as one of the most obviously evil characters in the series.series.
** While Josh's FinalSpeech to William is definitely over-the-top, it's one of the only times in a ''Saw'' movie that a trap victim gets to have their say before they bite the bullet, making it strangely badass in a way.
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** Shelby from the Carousel trap and Simone from the opening trap. Simone gets RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap in ''The Final Chapter'', but Shelby? No such luck.
* SignatureScene: The Carousel trap. Creative, tension filled, gorey, and [[NarmCharm over the top in a way that worked]]. It's a memorable scene that combined a lot of elements from previous Saw films and [[AccidentalPun spun]] them in a way that felt original.

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** Shelby from the Carousel carousel trap and Simone from the opening trap. Simone gets RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap in ''The Final Chapter'', but Shelby? No such luck.
* SignatureScene: The Carousel carousel trap. Creative, tension filled, gorey, tension-filled, gory, and [[NarmCharm over the top over-the-top in a way that worked]]. It's a memorable scene that combined a lot of elements from previous Saw films and [[AccidentalPun spun]] them in a way that felt original.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Unlike previous and future protagonists, William seems to have made a genuine HeelFaceTurn by the end of his test. [[spoiler:In an opportunity to give a fresh resolution where a Jigsaw game ''succeeded'' in its goal to rehabilitate the subject, William instead gets [[ShootTheShaggyDog brutally murdered anyway]] because [[DiabolusExMachina it wasn't up to him to begin with]]]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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Unlike previous and future protagonists, William seems to have made a genuine HeelFaceTurn by the end of his test. [[spoiler:In an opportunity to give a fresh resolution where a Jigsaw game ''succeeded'' in its goal to rehabilitate the subject, William instead gets [[ShootTheShaggyDog brutally murdered anyway]] because [[DiabolusExMachina it wasn't up to him to begin with]]]].with]]]].
** Some fans felt it would have been a far better plot twist if Jill actually had succeeded in [[spoiler:killing Hoffman, then decided to finally take over the VillainousLegacy of her late husband and emerged as the FinalBoss of the entire series]]. Instead, Hoffman [[spoiler:escapes the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0, which admittedly serves as an awesome moment for him, but results in the next sequel being a far more standard-issue entry with Hoffman as the villain yet again]].
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That's William's view, not the writers' — and even then, it's one he only makes as a result of a Sadistic Choice


** Being single and not having a family means you have nothing to live for, apparently.
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* AcceptableTargets: As is the case with most ''Saw'' films, Jigsaw has some pretty set-in-stone ideas of who is and isn't deserving of life.
** The janitor is basically an innocent victim whose biggest crime is ''smoking,'' but Jigsaw flat-out says that smoking is a sign that you don't appreciate your life.
** Being single and not having a family means you have nothing to live for, apparently.
** Jigsaw also frankly has this view about people with substance abuse disorder as well – or, at the very least, that they're not deserving of conventional treatment.
** To a lesser extent, Jigsaw views any employees of an undeniably immoral industry – health insurance – as deserving to be murdered. William is one thing – he's an executive with all the power to decide if someone lives or dies and has made an empire out of it. His employees? Mere cogs in the machine who don't make much of an impact systemically.
** The same goes for Pamela, who has the stereotypically sleazy job of being a crime reporter – doubles as an InformedAttribute, as we merely hear a few times that she is a sensationalist journalist who "twists Jigsaw's message" without really seeing anything in her work or approach that indicates anything (and frankly, targeting a journalist because she doesn't lionize a serial killer seems to be more personal than anything).


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* NarmCharm: Few would call Costas Mandylor's performance in the film worthy of Shakespeare, but he's also having a ball hamming it up as one of the most obviously evil characters in the series.
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** Brent for his horribly annoying and [[spoiler: murderous]] behavior. Not even [[spoiler: having recently lost his father]] made him in any way endearing or likable, or even understandable.
** Shelby from the Carousel trap and Simone from the opening trap. Simone gets subtly RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap in ''The Final Chapter'', but Shelby? No such luck.

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** Brent for his horribly annoying and [[spoiler: murderous]] behavior. Not even [[spoiler: having recently lost his father]] made him in any way endearing or likable, or even understandable.
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** Shelby from the Carousel trap and Simone from the opening trap. Simone gets subtly RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap in ''The Final Chapter'', but Shelby? No such luck.

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Not YMMV


* IdiotBall: John Kramer/Jigsaw, on an absurd level. In one of the many flashbacks in this installment, John Kramer is seen meeting William for the first time at a party where he chides William for his abhorrent policy on denying insurance claims. In a subsequent flashback, we find out that, at some later date, for some insane reason, proceeds to [[WhatWereYouThinking buy insurance from this guy]], despite knowing for a fact that he routinely screws people over. Worse, when William unsurprisingly denies his claim for a radical medical treatment in Europe for his cancer, Kramer just gives up on trying to get the treatment in spite of the fact that he is rolling in money. He could just cancel his policy, tell William to go to Hell, fly off to Europe, and get the treatment. It makes no sense for him to just give up on life when he has the wherewithal to be treated.



** '''''Brent''''', for his horribly annoying and [[spoiler: murderous]] behavior. Not even [[spoiler: having recently lost his father]] made him in any way endearing or likable, or even understandable.

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** '''''Brent''''', Brent for his horribly annoying and [[spoiler: murderous]] behavior. Not even [[spoiler: having recently lost his father]] made him in any way endearing or likable, or even understandable.
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* StockParodyJokes: French audience often mock the title's unintentional silliness to French ears. ''Saw VI'' is usually pronounced exactly like "''saucisse''" ("sausage").
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All For Nothing is not YMMV


* {{All For Nothing}}: [[spoiler:William's death]] could very much be considered this. After going through a series of demanding traps, which leads to him realizing the error of his ways and the value of the lives of the clients he had indirectly killed by denying coverage, William [[spoiler:gets killed by the son of one of said rejected clients, ultimately making his redemption completely meaningless]].
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* {{All For Nothing}}: [[spoiler:William's death]] could very much be considered this. After going through a series of demanding traps, which leads to him realizing the error of his ways and the value of the lives of the clients he had indirectly killed by denying coverage [[spoiler:gets killed by the son of one of said rejected clients, ultimately making his redemption completely meaningless]].

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* {{All For Nothing}}: [[spoiler:William's death]] could very much be considered this. After going through a series of demanding traps, which leads to him realizing the error of his ways and the value of the lives of the clients he had indirectly killed by denying coverage coverage, William [[spoiler:gets killed by the son of one of said rejected clients, ultimately making his redemption completely meaningless]].
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Maybe it's too opinion-based (hence why I placed it in the YMMV category), but I think it was worth mentioning why William's journey towards the end was all for nothing.

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* {{All For Nothing}}: [[spoiler:William's death]] could very much be considered this. After going through a series of demanding traps, which leads to him realizing the error of his ways and the value of the lives of the clients he had indirectly killed by denying coverage [[spoiler:gets killed by the son of one of said rejected clients, ultimately making his redemption completely meaningless]].

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* JerkassWoobie: William ''especially'' by the end.

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* JerkassWoobie: William William, ''especially'' by the end.



* RetroactiveRecognition: Series/WynonnaEarp is one of the people killed on the carousel, and [[Film/DiaryOfAWimpyKid Rodrick Heffley]] [[spoiler:ends up killing William]].



** '''''Brent''''', for his horribly annoying and [[spoiler: murderous]] behavior. Not even [[spoiler: having recently lost his father]] made him in any way endearing or likeable, or even understandable.

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** '''''Brent''''', for his horribly annoying and [[spoiler: murderous]] behavior. Not even [[spoiler: having recently lost his father]] made him in any way endearing or likeable, likable, or even understandable.



* RetroactiveRecognition: [[Series/WynonnaEarp Wynonna Earp]] is one of the people killed on the carousel.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Unlike previous and future protagonists, William seems to have made a genuine HeelFaceTurn by the end of his test. In an opportunity to give a fresh resolution where a Jigsaw game ''succeeded'' in its goal to rehabilitate the subject, William instead gets [[ShootTheShaggyDog brutally murdered anyway]] because [[DiabolusExMachina it wasn't up to him to begin with]].

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* RetroactiveRecognition: [[Series/WynonnaEarp Wynonna Earp]] is one of the people killed on the carousel.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Unlike previous and future protagonists, William seems to have made a genuine HeelFaceTurn by the end of his test. In [[spoiler:In an opportunity to give a fresh resolution where a Jigsaw game ''succeeded'' in its goal to rehabilitate the subject, William instead gets [[ShootTheShaggyDog brutally murdered anyway]] because [[DiabolusExMachina it wasn't up to him to begin with]].with]]]].
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* Narm: Josh - the final victim of the carousel trap - starts demanding that William watch as he dies when he realizes his fate. What could be a heart-wrenching moment is ruined by actor Shawn Mathieson's sudden Batman-esque growling and copious amount of spit being flung at the camera, putting it firmly in Narm territory.

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* Narm: {{Narm}}: Josh - the final victim of the carousel trap - starts demanding that William watch as he dies when he realizes his fate. What could be a heart-wrenching moment is ruined by actor Shawn Mathieson's sudden Batman-esque growling and copious amount of spit being flung at the camera, putting it firmly in Narm territory.
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* Narm: Josh - the final victim of the carousel trap - starts demanding that William watch as he dies when he realizes his fate. What could be a heart-wrenching moment is ruined by actor Shawn Mathieson's sudden Batman-esque growling and copious amount of spit being flung at the camera, putting it firmly in Narm territory.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: [[Series/WynonnaEarp Wynonna Earp]] is one of the people killed on the carousel.
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* JerkassWoobie: William ''especially'' by the end.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Unlike previous and future protagonists, William seems to have made a genuine HeelFaceTurn by the end of his test. In an opportunity to give a fresh resolution where a Jigsaw game ''succeeded'' in its goal to rehabilitate the subject, William instead gets [[ShootTheShaggyDog brutally murdered anyway]] because [[DiabolusExMachina it wasn't up to him to begin with]].
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* SignatureScene: The Carousel trap. Creative, tension filled, gorey, and [[NarmCharm over the top in a way that worked]]. It's a memorable scene that combined a lot of elements from previous Saw films and spun them in a way that felt original.

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* SignatureScene: The Carousel trap. Creative, tension filled, gorey, and [[NarmCharm over the top in a way that worked]]. It's a memorable scene that combined a lot of elements from previous Saw films and spun [[AccidentalPun spun]] them in a way that felt original.
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* TheScrappy:
** '''''Brent''''', for his horribly annoying and [[spoiler: murderous]] behavior. Not even [[spoiler: having recently lost his father]] made him in any way endearing or likeable, or even understandable.
** Shelby from the Carousel trap and Simone from the opening trap. Simone gets subtly RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap in ''The Final Chapter'', but Shelby? No such luck.
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* SignatureScene: The Carousel trap. Creative, tension filled, gorey, and [[NarmCharm over the top in a way that worked]]. It's a memorable scene that combined a lot of elements from previous Saw films and spun them in a way that felt original.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Released right in the middle of a bad recession and a heated debate on health care, the writers give us an opening trap featuring two bankers who gave loans to people they knew couldn't pay, and the main game's victim, William, is an executive at a health insurance company who gets to make some fantastically gory life-or-death decisions for his co-workers before [[spoiler:getting killed by the widow and son of a man he denied coverage.]] One scene is an outright AuthorFilibuster in which Jigsaw, in a flashback in William's office, states that it's hypocritical to attack the government for trying to take life-and-death decisions away from doctors and their patients, when the health insurance industry does this regularly by denying coverage.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Released right in the middle of a bad recession and a heated debate on health care, the writers give us an opening trap featuring two bankers who gave loans to people they knew couldn't pay, and the main game's victim, William, is an executive at a health insurance company who gets is forced to make some fantastically gory life-or-death decisions for his co-workers before [[spoiler:getting killed by the widow and son of a man he denied coverage.]] One scene is an outright AuthorFilibuster in which Jigsaw, in a flashback in William's office, states that it's hypocritical to attack the government for trying to take life-and-death decisions away from doctors and their patients, when the health insurance industry does this regularly by denying coverage.
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* IdiotBall: John Kramer/Jigsaw, on an absurd level. In one of the many flashbacks in this installment, John Kramer is seen meeting William for the first time at a party where he chides William for his abhorrent policy on denying insurance claims. In a subsequent flashback, we find out that, at some later date, for some insane reason, proceeds to [[WhatWereYouThinking buy insurance from this guy]], despite knowing for a fact that he routinely screws people over. Worse, when William unsurprisingly denies his claim for a radical medical treatment for his cancer, Kramer just gives up on trying to get the treatment in spite of the fact that he is rolling in money. He could just cancel his policy, tell William to go to Hell, fly off to Europe, and get the treatment. It makes no sense for him to just give up on life when he has the wherewithal to be treated.

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* IdiotBall: John Kramer/Jigsaw, on an absurd level. In one of the many flashbacks in this installment, John Kramer is seen meeting William for the first time at a party where he chides William for his abhorrent policy on denying insurance claims. In a subsequent flashback, we find out that, at some later date, for some insane reason, proceeds to [[WhatWereYouThinking buy insurance from this guy]], despite knowing for a fact that he routinely screws people over. Worse, when William unsurprisingly denies his claim for a radical medical treatment in Europe for his cancer, Kramer just gives up on trying to get the treatment in spite of the fact that he is rolling in money. He could just cancel his policy, tell William to go to Hell, fly off to Europe, and get the treatment. It makes no sense for him to just give up on life when he has the wherewithal to be treated.
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*IdiotBall: John Kramer/Jigsaw, on an absurd level. In one of the many flashbacks in this installment, John Kramer is seen meeting William for the first time at a party where he chides William for his abhorrent policy on denying insurance claims. In a subsequent flashback, we find out that, at some later date, for some insane reason, proceeds to [[WhatWereYouThinking buy insurance from this guy]], despite knowing for a fact that he routinely screws people over. Worse, when William unsurprisingly denies his claim for a radical medical treatment for his cancer, Kramer just gives up on trying to get the treatment in spite of the fact that he is rolling in money. He could just cancel his policy, tell William to go to Hell, fly off to Europe, and get the treatment. It makes no sense for him to just give up on life when he has the wherewithal to be treated.
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Split the different works off to their own pages.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Released right in the middle of a bad recession and a heated debate on health care, the writers give us an opening trap featuring two bankers who gave loans to people they knew couldn't pay, and the main game's victim, William, is an executive at a health insurance company who gets to make some fantastically gory life-or-death decisions for his co-workers before [[spoiler:getting killed by the widow and son of a man he denied coverage.]] One scene is an outright AuthorFilibuster in which Jigsaw, in a flashback in William's office, states that it's hypocritical to attack the government for trying to take life-and-death decisions away from doctors and their patients, when the health insurance industry does this regularly by denying coverage.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: It was regarded by fans and critics alike as a huge improvement over the two previous sequels and generally regarded as a worthy successor to the original trilogy.
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