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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Jason Todd, to a degree. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin.
*** Damian Wayne, thanks to the some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreaker (although, like Jason, he still is one).
*** Damian Wayne, thanks to the some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreaker (although, like Jason, he still is one).
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** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin.
*** Damian Wayne, thanks to the some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreaker (although, like Jason, he still is one).
*** Damian Wayne, thanks to the some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreaker (although, like Jason, he still is one).
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** However, various factors have come to light which muddle the issue. Many readers at the time were children, and couldn't make the not-so-cheap phone call. Also, in an interview with Newsarama, Dennis O'Neil recalls hearing a rumour that one guy had his computer call the number to have Jason killed multiple times. However, a few people also thought the vote was for Dick Grayson, and voted to keep Robin alive, thinking it was him.
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** However, various factors have come to light which muddle the issue. Many readers at the time were children, and couldn't make the not-so-cheap phone call. Also, in an interview with Newsarama, interview, Dennis O'Neil recalls hearing a rumour that one guy had his computer call the number to have Jason killed multiple times. However, a few people also thought the vote was for Dick Grayson, and voted to keep Robin alive, thinking it was him.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Dick And Jason for the shorts and pixie boots, and Jason for dying and being the 'angry Robin'.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Dick Grayson's New 52 Robin outfit. Poor colour balance and unnecessary line work aside (that's the trend with the New 52), for some reason DC decided that a red arrow pointing towards his crotch was necessary, as if a thong would look good. Notable since Cyclops seemed to copy Nightwing's outfit for a time, and it seems Dick is returning the favour by taking Cyke's thong-arrow-thing.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Dick Grayson's New 52 Robin outfit. Poor colour balance and unnecessary line work aside (that's the trend with the New 52), for some reason DC decided that a red arrow pointing towards his crotch was necessary, as if a thong would look good. Notable since Cyclops [[{{X-Men}} Cyclops]] seemed to copy Nightwing's outfit for a time, when he was powered by the Phoenix Force, particularly Dick's red bird, and it seems Dick is returning the favour by taking Cyke's Phoenix!Cyke's thong-arrow-thing.
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Just checked, citation is out of date or something. However, googling it has told me that there is a 20+ minute interview wherein O\'Neil mentions the repeat caller thing. It\'s on the Red Hood Blu-Ray.
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** However, various factors have come to light which muddle the issue. Many readers at the time were children, and couldn't make the not-so-cheap phone call. Also, in an interview with Newsarama, Dennis O'Neil recalls hearing a rumour that one guy had his computer call the kill vote multiple times. However, a few people also thought the vote was for Dick Grayson, and voted to keep Robin alive.
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** However, various factors have come to light which muddle the issue. Many readers at the time were children, and couldn't make the not-so-cheap phone call. Also, in an interview with Newsarama, Dennis O'Neil recalls hearing a rumour that one guy had his computer call the kill vote number to have Jason killed multiple times. However, a few people also thought the vote was for Dick Grayson, and voted to keep Robin alive.alive, thinking it was him.
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Citation is on Wikipedia, and the other two are here on This Very Wiki, by people other than me.
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** However, various factors have come to light which muddle the issue. Many readers at the time were children, and couldn't make the not-so-cheap phone call. Also, in an interview with Newsarama, Dennis O'Neil recalls hearing a rumour that one guy had his computer call the kill vote multiple times. However, a few people also thought the vote was for Dick Grayson, and voted to keep Robin alive.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Dick Grayson's ''New 52'' Robin outfit. Poor colour balance and unnecessary line work aside (that's the trend with the ''New 52''), for some reason DC decided that a red arrow pointing towards his crotch was necessary, as if a thong would look good. Notable since Cyclops seemed to copy Nightwing's outfit for a time, and it seems Dick is returning the favour.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Dick Grayson's ''New 52'' New 52 Robin outfit. Poor colour balance and unnecessary line work aside (that's the trend with the ''New 52''), New 52), for some reason DC decided that a red arrow pointing towards his crotch was necessary, as if a thong would look good. Notable since Cyclops seemed to copy Nightwing's outfit for a time, and it seems Dick is returning the favour. favour by taking Cyke's thong-arrow-thing.
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** The Robin identity in general. Some people think the very idea of a brightly-colored minor running around and fighting criminals is ridiculous. Others consider it a NecessaryWeasel to keep Batman from getting too grimdark. Others invoke the GrandfatherClause and say that whether it makes sense or not, it's part of comics tradition and too late to change.
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* HateDumb: The parts of the fanbase that claim the Robin character "ruined" Batman. Batman preceded Robin ''barely a year'' before the latter was created, and Batman's sales figures doubled when he was introduced. It's arguable that Batman as a character wouldn't have even survived TheInterregnum without his trusty sidekick at his side.
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** The same can be said for Jason Todd in Death in the Family.
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** The same can be said for Jason Todd in ''A Death in the Family.Family''.
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*** Damian Wayne, thanks to the some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreaker (although, like Jason, he still is one).
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** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans.
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** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans.fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: Dick Grayson's ''New 52'' Robin outfit. Poor colour balance and unnecessary line work aside (that's the trend with the ''New 52''), for some reason DC decided that a red arrow pointing towards his crotch was necessary, as if a thong would look good. Notable since Cyclops seemed to copy Nightwing's outfit for a time, and it seems Dick is returning the favour.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: Dick Grayson's ''New 52'' Robin outfit. Poor colour balance and unnecessary line work aside (that's the trend with the ''New 52''), for some reason DC decided that a red arrow pointing towards his crotch was necessary, as if a thong would look good. Notable since Cyclops seemed to copy Nightwing's outfit for a time, and it seems Dick is returning the favour.
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not ymmv move to main
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* SpellMyNameWithAnS: It's Damian, not Damien.
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** The same can be say for Jason Todd in Death in the Family.
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** The same can be say for Jason Todd in Death in the Family.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's death, the result of a call-in vote. Although
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* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's death, the result of a call-in vote. Although
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* {{Narm}}: Tim Drake's identity of Red Robin can be hard to take seriously for new readers familiar with the restaurant chain.
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* {{Narm}}: Tim Drake's identity of Red Robin can be hard to take seriously for new readers familiar with the restaurant chain.
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* {{Narm}}: Tim Drake's identity of Red Robin can be hard to take seriously for new readers familiar with the restaurant.restaurant chain.
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* {{Narm}}: Tim Drake's identity of Red Robin can be hard to take seriously for new readers familiar with the restaurant.
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* AngstWhatAngst: Go ahead. ''Try'' to find a comic with Tim Drake making a big deal over Stephaine Brown's "death".
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* AngstWhatAngst: Go ahead. ''Try'' to find a comic with Tim Drake making a big deal over Stephaine Stephanie Brown's "death".
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* AngstWhatAngst: Go ahead. ''Try'' to find a comic with Tim Drake making a big deal over Stephaine Brown's "death".
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I read comics, and I never heard of it.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's death, the result of a call-in vote... which happened because one guy programmed his computer to call over and over again..
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* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's death, the result of a call-in vote... which happened because one guy programmed his computer to call over and over again..vote.
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Does not need citation. Is well known among comic book readers.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's death, the result of a call-in vote.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's death, the result of a call-in vote.vote.
** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans.
** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans.
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*** Having been developed nicely, he's gotten a lot more popular.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Dear God, people! It's Damian! Not Damien!
* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's death... which happened because one guy voted over and over again.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Dear God, people! It's Damian! Not Damien!
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* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's
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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler: No matter how much you hated Damian, his death was a real TearJerker]]
* BaseBreaker:
** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy.
** Damian Wayne. Either he's a Woobie who just needs someone to believe in him (hello there, Dick) or a horrible character that only gets to be Robin because of his last name.
*** Having been developed nicely, he's gotten a lot more popular.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Dear God, people! It's Damian! Not Damien!
* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's death... which happened because one guy voting over and over again.
* BaseBreaker:
** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy.
** Damian Wayne. Either he's a Woobie who just needs someone to believe in him (hello there, Dick) or a horrible character that only gets to be Robin because of his last name.
*** Having been developed nicely, he's gotten a lot more popular.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Dear God, people! It's Damian! Not Damien!
* TakeThatScrappy: Jason Todd's death... which happened because one guy voting over and over again.
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This isn\'t actually YMMV. Moving.
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* ContinuitySnarl: One of the policies of DC's {{New 52}} timeline is that the timeline goes back no further than five years. However, Batman (and GreenLantern) were so successful at the time of the reboot that DC left its continuity as is - meaning that in the span of five years, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake all managed to become Comicbook/{{Robin}} and then graduate to their "adult" identities as Nightwing, Red Hood, and Red Robin.
** The HandWave for this is that five years was when Batman's [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade was broken]]. He was ShroudedInMyth before that, but operated for years. Supposedly, he and the Robins operated during that time, but it all still very sketchy.
** The HandWave for this is that five years was when Batman's [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade was broken]]. He was ShroudedInMyth before that, but operated for years. Supposedly, he and the Robins operated during that time, but it all still very sketchy.
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* ContinuitySnarl: One of the policies of DC's {{New 52}} timeline is that the timeline goes back no further than five years. However, Batman (and GreenLantern) were so successful at the time of the reboot that DC left its continuity as is - meaning that in the span of five years, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake all managed to become Robin and then graduate to their "adult" identities as Nightwing, Red Hood, and Red Robin.
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* ContinuitySnarl: One of the policies of DC's {{New 52}} timeline is that the timeline goes back no further than five years. However, Batman (and GreenLantern) were so successful at the time of the reboot that DC left its continuity as is - meaning that in the span of five years, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake all managed to become Robin Comicbook/{{Robin}} and then graduate to their "adult" identities as Nightwing, Red Hood, and Red Robin.Robin.
** The HandWave for this is that five years was when Batman's [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade was broken]]. He was ShroudedInMyth before that, but operated for years. Supposedly, he and the Robins operated during that time, but it all still very sketchy.
** The HandWave for this is that five years was when Batman's [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade was broken]]. He was ShroudedInMyth before that, but operated for years. Supposedly, he and the Robins operated during that time, but it all still very sketchy.
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* ContinuitySnarl: One of the policies of DC's New52 {{New 52}} timeline is that the timeline goes back no further than five years. However, Batman (and GreenLantern) were so successful at the time of the reboot that DC left its continuity as is - meaning that in the span of five years, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake all managed to become Robin and then graduate to their "adult" identities as Nightwing, Red Hood, and Red Robin.
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* ContinuitySnarl: One of the policies of DC's New52 timeline is that the timeline goes back no further than five years. However, Batman (and GreenLantern) were so successful at the time of the reboot that DC left its continuity as is - meaning that in the span of five years, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake all managed to become Robin and then graduate to their "adult" identities as Nightwing, Red Hood, and Red Robin.
