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* TaintedByThePreview: Thanks to the solicits for the Rebirth titles of ''Titans'' and ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'', we knew well before the release of the last issue that, in some shape or form, [[spoiler: [[BreakingTheFellowship Jason and Roy part ways]].]]



* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoodie that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However, it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have its fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.
* TaintedByThePreview: Thanks to the solicits for the Rebirth titles of ''Titans'' and ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'', we knew well before the release of the last issue that, in some shape or form, [[spoiler: [[BreakingTheFellowship Jason and Roy part ways]]]]

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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoodie that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However, it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have its fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.
* TaintedByThePreview: Thanks to the solicits for the Rebirth titles of ''Titans'' and ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'', we knew well before the release of the last issue that, in some shape or form, [[spoiler: [[BreakingTheFellowship Jason and Roy part ways]]]]
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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoodie that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However, it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have its fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.

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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoodie that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However, it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have its fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.it.
* TaintedByThePreview: Thanks to the solicits for the Rebirth titles of ''Titans'' and ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'', we knew well before the release of the last issue that, in some shape or form, [[spoiler: [[BreakingTheFellowship Jason and Roy part ways]]]]

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Ho Yay is for unintentional subtext and it's not Hoyay if it's lampshaded in the book. Moving to Homoerotic Subtext


* BaseBreakingCharacter: The inclusion of [[spoiler:Joker's Daughter]] has fans divided on whether or not Lobdell can made anything good come out of her character. It doesn't help that both Jason and Roy are also Base Breakers in their own right, given that they're [[InNameOnly nothing like their pre-New52 counterparts]].
** Some fans thought that Lobdell did a decent job with the character, giving her a redemption arc. Until [[spoiler:it was revealed to be a trick, and a case of ShootTheShaggyDog]].

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The inclusion of [[spoiler:Joker's Daughter]] has fans divided on whether or not Lobdell can made anything good come out of her character. It doesn't help that both Jason and Roy are also Base Breakers in their own right, given that they're [[InNameOnly nothing like their pre-New52 counterparts]].
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counterparts]]. Some fans thought that Lobdell did a decent job with the character, giving her a redemption arc. Until [[spoiler:it was revealed to be a trick, and a case of ShootTheShaggyDog]].



* HoYay: Unsurprisingly carried over from the first run of ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'', except this series takes it UpToEleven. It starts with the title being a slash-pairing name, with several gags dedicated to depicting Jason and Roy LikeAnOldMarriedCouple. [[spoiler: The final issue is even headlined with "The Bromance Ends Here!", with the final present day page dedicated to the actual break-up, which can be read with very romantic undertones considering the way it's drawn]].
* UnexpectedCharacter: NO ONE saw coming [[spoiler: Joker's Daughter joining the boys]]

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* HoYay: Unsurprisingly carried over from the first run of ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'', except this series takes it UpToEleven. It starts with the title being a slash-pairing name, with several gags dedicated to depicting Jason and Roy LikeAnOldMarriedCouple. [[spoiler: The final issue is even headlined with "The Bromance Ends Here!", with the final present day page dedicated to the actual break-up, which can be read with very romantic undertones considering the way it's drawn]].
* UnexpectedCharacter: NO ONE saw coming [[spoiler: Joker's Daughter joining the boys]]boys.]]

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Cutting since these aren't unintentionally funny as explained [[Https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15540840900A88978500&page=23#comment-557 here]]


* {{Narm}}:
** The meeting between Jason and an amnesiac Bruce comes off as more campy and forced than it's supposed to be, partly thanks to Jason's heavyhanded narration clogging up the pages. It also doesn't help that this scene is coming off the heels of a similar meeting in the more critically well-received Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.
** Same goes for the awkwardly shoehorned fistbump between Jason and Tim. It comes across like a moment designed to be reblogged (without context) on sites like Websites/{{Tumblr}}, rather than a genuine attempt from the writer to portray [[InformedAttribute Tim and Jason as having a brother-like relationship]].
** The meeting between Jason and Joker's Daughter comes across as a MeetCute from a romantic comedy, with many readers mockingly launching a Jason and Joker's Daughter ship. Not helping is Jason's internal monologue, that reiterates over and over again that the two are like BirdsOfAFeather.



* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoodie that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have its fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.

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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoodie that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However However, it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have its fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.
-->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.
-->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''



* ContestedSequel: While reception towards Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws was very mixed from Jason's fans (wider DC readers loathed it), ''Red Hood/Arsenal'' is even more divisive. Some enjoy it for being [[JustHereForGodzilla simple and mindless]] while others hate it for that same reason. And others just find the writing trite and overdone.

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* ContestedSequel: While reception towards Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws was very mixed from Jason's fans (wider DC readers loathed it), ''Red Hood/Arsenal'' is even more divisive. Some enjoy it for being [[JustHereForGodzilla simple and mindless]] while others hate it for that same reason. And others just find the writing trite and overdone.



* MemeticMutation: This title is often referred to as "Lobdell Containment" or "Lobdell Island". Basically the title where unwanted characters are sent, and where heavily criticized writer Scott Lobdell is left to his own devices instead of being put on other titles.
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* HoYay: Unsurprisngly carried over from the first run of ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'', except this series takes it UpToEleven. It starts with the title being a slash-pairing name, with several gags dedicated to depicting Jason and Roy LikeAnOldMarriedCouple. [[spoiler: The final issue is even headlined with "The Bromance Ends Here!", with the final present day page dedicated to the actual break-up, which can be read with very romantic undertones considering the way it's drawn]].

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* HoYay: Unsurprisngly Unsurprisingly carried over from the first run of ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'', except this series takes it UpToEleven. It starts with the title being a slash-pairing name, with several gags dedicated to depicting Jason and Roy LikeAnOldMarriedCouple. [[spoiler: The final issue is even headlined with "The Bromance Ends Here!", with the final present day page dedicated to the actual break-up, which can be read with very romantic undertones considering the way it's drawn]].

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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoodie that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired just after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have a small subset of fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: NO ONE saw coming [[spoiler: Joker's Daughter joining the boys]]
* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoodie that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired just after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have a small subset of its fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.
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* ContestedSequel: While reception towards Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws were very mixed, ''Red Hood/Arsenal'' is even more divisive. Some enjoy it for being [[JustHereForGodzilla simple and mindless]], while others are starting to find the writing trite and overdone.

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* ContestedSequel: While reception towards Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws were was very mixed, mixed from Jason's fans (wider DC readers loathed it), ''Red Hood/Arsenal'' is even more divisive. Some enjoy it for being [[JustHereForGodzilla simple and mindless]], mindless]] while others are starting to hate it for that same reason. And others just find the writing trite and overdone.
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* BaseBreaker: The inclusion of [[spoiler:Joker's Daughter]] has fans divided on whether or not Lobdell can made anything good come out of her character. It doesn't help that both Jason and Roy are also Base Breakers in their own right, given that they're [[InNameOnly nothing like their pre-New52 counterparts]].

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: The inclusion of [[spoiler:Joker's Daughter]] has fans divided on whether or not Lobdell can made anything good come out of her character. It doesn't help that both Jason and Roy are also Base Breakers in their own right, given that they're [[InNameOnly nothing like their pre-New52 counterparts]].
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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoody that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired just after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have a small subset of fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.

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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoody hoodie that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired just after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers. However it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have a small subset of fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.

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Removed redundancies, reversed changes from someone trying to cover up criticism of the book


** Lobdell spent a decent amount of time developing Duela's character, changing a lot of people's opinion about her, [[spoiler: just to reveal everything was a trick in issue 11]] Readers are still debating if it was a good choice or not.



* GrowingTheBeard: The book's reception improved considerably during Joker's Daughter's arc.


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* MemeticMutation: This title is often referred to as "Lobdell Containment" or "Lobdell Island". Basically the title where unwanted characters are sent, and where heavily criticized writer Scott Lobdell is left to his own devices instead of being put on other titles.
* {{Narm}}:
** The meeting between Jason and an amnesiac Bruce comes off as more campy and forced than it's supposed to be, partly thanks to Jason's heavyhanded narration clogging up the pages. It also doesn't help that this scene is coming off the heels of a similar meeting in the more critically well-received Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.
** Same goes for the awkwardly shoehorned fistbump between Jason and Tim. It comes across like a moment designed to be reblogged (without context) on sites like Websites/{{Tumblr}}, rather than a genuine attempt from the writer to portray [[InformedAttribute Tim and Jason as having a brother-like relationship]].
** The meeting between Jason and Joker's Daughter comes across as a MeetCute from a romantic comedy, with many readers mockingly launching a Jason and Joker's Daughter ship. Not helping is Jason's internal monologue, that reiterates over and over again that the two are like BirdsOfAFeather.
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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoody that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired just after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers.
** However it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have a small subset of fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.

to:

* HoYay: Unsurprisngly carried over from the first run of ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'', except this series takes it UpToEleven. It starts with the title being a slash-pairing name, with several gags dedicated to depicting Jason and Roy LikeAnOldMarriedCouple. [[spoiler: The final issue is even headlined with "The Bromance Ends Here!", with the final present day page dedicated to the actual break-up, which can be read with very romantic undertones considering the way it's drawn]].
* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoody that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired just after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers.
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covers. However it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have a small subset of fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.
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** Lobdell spent a decent amount of time developing Duela's character, changing a lot of people's opinion about her, [[spoiler just to reveal everything was a trick in issue 11]] Readers are still debating if it was a good choice or not.

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** Lobdell spent a decent amount of time developing Duela's character, changing a lot of people's opinion about her, [[spoiler [[spoiler: just to reveal everything was a trick in issue 11]] Readers are still debating if it was a good choice or not.



* MemeticMutation: This title is often referred to as "Lobdell Containment" or "Lobdell Island". Basically the title where unwanted characters are sent, and where heavily criticized writer Scott Lobdell is left to his own devices instead of being put on other titles.

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* MemeticMutation: This title is often referred to as "Lobdell Containment" or "Lobdell Island". Basically the title where unwanted characters are sent, and where heavily criticized writer Scott Lobdell is left to his own devices instead of being put on other titles.GrowingTheBeard: The book's reception improved considerably during Joker's Daughter's arc.

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Removing Narm because those entries in particular are the scenes most praised by the readers in the whole series.


** Lobdell spent a decent amount of time developing Duela's character, changing a lot of people's opinion about her, [[spoiler just to reveal everything was a trick in issue 11]] Readers are still debating if it was a good choice or not.



* {{Narm}}:
** The meeting between Jason and an amnesiac Bruce comes off as more campy and forced than it's supposed to be, partly thanks to Jason's heavyhanded narration clogging up the pages. It also doesn't help that this scene is coming off the heels of a similar meeting in the more critically well-received Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.
** Same goes for the awkwardly shoehorned fistbump between Jason and Tim. It comes across like a moment designed to be reblogged (without context) on sites like Websites/{{Tumblr}}, rather than a genuine attempt from the writer to portray [[InformedAttribute Tim and Jason as having a brother-like relationship]].
** The meeting between Jason and Joker's Daughter comes across as a MeetCute from a romantic comedy, with many readers mockingly launching a Jason and Joker's Daughter ship. Not helping is Jason's internal monologue, that reiterates over and over again that the two are like BirdsOfAFeather.
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** Suprisingly, Lobdell managed to make of Joker's Daughter a pretty compelling character, filled with layers and generally, becoming closer to her pre-Flashpoint incarnation. [[spoiler: Just to reveal in the penultimate issue of the series to be just a trick[[/spoiler]]

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** Suprisingly, Some fans thought that Lobdell managed to make of Joker's Daughter did a pretty compelling decent job with the character, filled with layers and generally, becoming closer to giving her pre-Flashpoint incarnation. [[spoiler: Just to reveal in the penultimate issue of the series a redemption arc. Until [[spoiler:it was revealed to be just a trick[[/spoiler]]trick, and a case of ShootTheShaggyDog]].
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Don't delete Narm entries just because you're a fan of the book. Different opinions exist.

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* {{Narm}}:
** The meeting between Jason and an amnesiac Bruce comes off as more campy and forced than it's supposed to be, partly thanks to Jason's heavyhanded narration clogging up the pages. It also doesn't help that this scene is coming off the heels of a similar meeting in the more critically well-received Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.
** Same goes for the awkwardly shoehorned fistbump between Jason and Tim. It comes across like a moment designed to be reblogged (without context) on sites like Websites/{{Tumblr}}, rather than a genuine attempt from the writer to portray [[InformedAttribute Tim and Jason as having a brother-like relationship]].
** The meeting between Jason and Joker's Daughter comes across as a MeetCute from a romantic comedy, with many readers mockingly launching a Jason and Joker's Daughter ship. Not helping is Jason's internal monologue, that reiterates over and over again that the two are like BirdsOfAFeather.
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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoody that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired just after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers.

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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoody that that replaced his leather jacket. The costume was retired just after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was still used in variant covers.covers.
** However it should be noted that this costume ''did'' have a small subset of fans, specifically people who thought it made him look more attractive, and it's not entirely difficult to find a decent amount of fan art of it.

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** Suprisingly, Lobdell managed to make of Joker's Daughter a pretty compelling character, filled with layers and generally, becoming closer to her pre-Flashpoint incarnation. [[spoiler: Just to reveal in the penultimate issue of the series to be just a trick[[/spoiler]]



* {{Narm}}:
** The meeting between Jason and an amnesiac Bruce comes off as more campy and forced than it's supposed to be, partly thanks to Jason's heavyhanded narration clogging up the pages. It also doesn't help that this scene is coming off the heels of a similar meeting in the more critically well-received Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.
** Same goes for the awkwardly shoehorned fistbump between Jason and Tim. It comes across like a moment designed to be reblogged (without context) on sites like Websites/{{Tumblr}}, rather than a genuine attempt from the writer to portray [[InformedAttribute Tim and Jason as having a brother-like relationship]].
** The meeting between Jason and Joker's Daughter comes across as a MeetCute from a romantic comedy, with many readers mockingly launching a Jason and Joker's Daughter ship. Not helping is Jason's internal monologue, that reiterates over and over again that the two are like BirdsOfAFeather.
* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoody that that replaced his leather jacket, was so poorly received that it was changed back by the start of the ''ComicBook/RobinWar'' crossover a few months later.

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* {{Narm}}:
** The meeting between Jason and an amnesiac Bruce comes off as more campy and forced than it's supposed to be, partly thanks to Jason's heavyhanded narration clogging up the pages. It also doesn't help that this scene is coming off the heels of a similar meeting in the more critically well-received Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.
** Same goes for the awkwardly shoehorned fistbump between Jason and Tim. It comes across like a moment designed to be reblogged (without context) on sites like Websites/{{Tumblr}}, rather than a genuine attempt from the writer to portray [[InformedAttribute Tim and Jason as having a brother-like relationship]].
** The meeting between Jason and Joker's Daughter comes across as a MeetCute from a romantic comedy, with many readers mockingly launching a Jason and Joker's Daughter ship. Not helping is Jason's internal monologue, that reiterates over and over again that the two are like BirdsOfAFeather.
* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoody that that replaced his leather jacket, jacket. The costume was so poorly received that retired just after Denis Medri (former artist of the series and designer of the costume) left DC, although it was changed back by the start of the ''ComicBook/RobinWar'' crossover a few months later.still used in variant covers.
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* MemeticMutation: This title is often referred to as "Lobdell Containment" or "Lobdell Island". Basically the title where unwanted characters are sent, and where heavily criticized writer Scott Lobdell is left to his own devices instead of being put on other titles.
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** The meeting between Jason and Joker's Daughter comes across as a MeetCute from a romantic comedy, with many readers mockingly launching a Jason and Joker's Daughter ship. Not helping is Jason's internal monologue, that reiterates over and over again that the two are like BirdsOfAFeather.

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* {{Narm}}: The meeting between Jason and an amnesiac Bruce comes off as more campy and forced than it's supposed to be, partly thanks to Jason's heavyhanded narration clogging up the pages. It also doesn't help that this scene is coming off the heels of a similar meeting in the more critically well-received Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.

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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
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The meeting between Jason and an amnesiac Bruce comes off as more campy and forced than it's supposed to be, partly thanks to Jason's heavyhanded narration clogging up the pages. It also doesn't help that this scene is coming off the heels of a similar meeting in the more critically well-received Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.
** Same goes for the awkwardly shoehorned fistbump between Jason and Tim. It comes across like a moment designed to be reblogged (without context) on sites like Websites/{{Tumblr}}, rather than a genuine attempt from the writer to portray [[InformedAttribute Tim and Jason as having a brother-like relationship]].
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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: Jason's new costume at the start of the series, specifically the sleeveless hoody that that replaced his leather jacket, was so poorly received that it was changed back by the start of the ''ComicBook/RobinWar'' crossover a few months later.
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* BaseBreaker: The inclusion of [[spoiler:Joker's Daughter]] has fans divided on whether or not Lobdell can made anything good come out of her character. It doesn't help that both Jason and Roy are also Base Breakers in their own right, given that they're [[InNameOnly nothing like their pre-New52 counterparts]].
* ContestedSequel: While reception towards Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws were very mixed, ''Red Hood/Arsenal'' is even more divisive. Some enjoy it for being [[JustHereForGodzilla simple and mindless]], while others are starting to find the writing trite and overdone.
* {{Narm}}: The meeting between Jason and an amnesiac Bruce comes off as more campy and forced than it's supposed to be, partly thanks to Jason's heavyhanded narration clogging up the pages. It also doesn't help that this scene is coming off the heels of a similar meeting in the more critically well-received Comicbook/{{Grayson}}.

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