Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / Poirot

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
from YMMV.HerculePoirot - original contributor Tabs

Added DiffLines:

* {{Adorkable}}: Miss Lemon's quest to create the perfect filing system is endearing as she puts together an intricate catalog that only she understands.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Nicholai from "How Does Your Garden Grow?" is played by Creator/PeterBirch, who would later be best known for playing Jack Hathaway in ''Series/{{Casualty}}''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HarsherInHindsight: This series' adaptation of ''Literature/TheBigFour'' bears little resemblance to the source material, but features its villain [[spoiler: Claude Darrell]] concocting a vast scheme of murders, societal destabilization, and false tips to journalist Lawrence Tysoe that essentially amount to "fake news" to whip up public fear of another war, all to distract from his obsessive pursuit of [[spoiler: Flossie Monroe, a woman he feels entitled to have despite her having clearly rejected him]]. This episode aired in 2013, but audiences can be forgiven for thinking it was made even a couple years later, as (save for the murders) [[spoiler: Darrell]] now comes off as a perfect representation of the worst of the post-2016 Trump era: entitled, controlling views of women fitting for an incel, sowing public distrust through false information and slandering the reputations of more progressive figures, and being more than willing to attack anyone else who gets in their way. As a result, Poirot's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech could qualify as ValuesResonance as well.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Miss Blanche and Adam Goodman from ''Cat Among the Pigeons'' are played by Creator/MirandaRaison and Creator/AdamCroasdell respectively, who may be better known to gamers as the voices of [[Characters/DragonAgeCassandraPentaghast Cassandra Pentaghast]] and [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Ignis Scientia]], respectively.

to:

** Miss Blanche and Adam Goodman from ''Cat Among the Pigeons'' are played by Creator/MirandaRaison and Creator/AdamCroasdell respectively, who may be better known to gamers as the voices of [[Characters/DragonAgeCassandraPentaghast [[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition Cassandra Pentaghast]] and [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Ignis Scientia]], respectively.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* RetroactiveRecognition: Many actors began their careers playing supporting roles, including: Creator/SeanPertwee, Creator/ChristopherEccleston, Creator/DamianLewis, Creator/JamieBamber, Creator/RussellTovey, Creator/EmilyBlunt, Creator/AliceEve, Creator/MichaelFassbender, and Creator/JessicaChastain.

to:

* RetroactiveRecognition: Many actors began their careers playing supporting roles, including: Creator/SeanPertwee, Creator/ChristopherEccleston, Creator/DamianLewis, Creator/JamieBamber, Creator/RussellTovey, Creator/EmilyBlunt, Creator/AliceEve, Creator/MichaelFassbender, Creator/JessicaChastain, and Creator/JessicaChastain.Creator/ElenaSatine.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* IdiotBall: Colonel Arbuthnot grabs it in "Murder on the Orient Express" when [[spoiler:he attempts to shoot Poirot and Bouc, leaving only the conspirators remaining. The others appeal to his morals, but nobody points out that three dead bodies - including that of Poirot - would be considerably harder to explain than just one, belonging to a candidate for biggest AssholeVictim in the Christie canon]].

Changed: 114

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** ''Literature/HalloweenParty'': [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Michael Garfield]] is the [[FauxAffablyEvil seemingly friendly]] garden caretaker for Rowena Drake but is in fact a narcissistic sociopath trying to [[InheritanceMurder obtain her family's inheritance]]. Seducing her and manipulating her to help him with his crimes, Michael killed Rowena's husband and helped her poison her aunt to help gain the inheritance. Michael then forced Leslie Ferrie to forge a fake will before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing him once he has it]]. When caught by Poirot, Michael tries to kill everyone present, including [[OffingTheOffspring his and Rowena's daughter]]. Despite Rowena genuinely loving Michael, Michael reveals he only used her for his own desires and planned to abandon her as a scapegoat for the crimes.]]
** ''Literature/MurderOnTheOrientExpress'': [[spoiler:[[AssholeVictim Lanfranco Cassetti]] is a ruthless gangster out to escape justice. A {{blackmail}}er who kidnaps people, murdering them when the authorities close in but still collecting the ransoms, [[WouldHurtAChild Cassetti]] was the murderer of a little girl named Daisy, having continued to exploit her family days or even weeks after he had already killed the girl. Uncaring of how this killed four innocent people, from Daisy's mother dying from grief in premature labor with her new baby, to her father's [[DrivenToSuicide suicide]] and an innocent maid killing herself when she was falsely accused of complicity, Cassetti cares only for escaping justice and was so evil that even the heroic Poirot feels obliged to [[LetOffByTheDetective cover for his killers]].]]

to:

** ''Literature/HalloweenParty'': "[[Recap/PoirotS12E02HalloweenParty Hallowe'en Party]]": [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Michael Garfield]] is the [[FauxAffablyEvil seemingly friendly]] garden caretaker for Rowena Drake but is in fact a narcissistic sociopath trying to [[InheritanceMurder obtain her family's inheritance]]. Seducing her and manipulating her to help him with his crimes, Michael killed Rowena's husband and helped her poison her aunt to help gain the inheritance. Michael then forced Leslie Ferrie to forge a fake will before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing him once he has it]]. When caught by Poirot, Michael tries to kill everyone present, including [[OffingTheOffspring his and Rowena's daughter]]. Despite Rowena genuinely loving Michael, Michael reveals he only used her for his own desires and planned to abandon her as a scapegoat for the crimes.]]
** ''Literature/MurderOnTheOrientExpress'': "[[Recap/PoirotS12E03MurderOnTheOrientExpress Murder on the Orient Express]]": [[spoiler:[[AssholeVictim Lanfranco Cassetti]] is a ruthless gangster out to escape justice. A {{blackmail}}er who kidnaps people, murdering them when the authorities close in but still collecting the ransoms, [[WouldHurtAChild Cassetti]] was the murderer of a little girl named Daisy, having continued to exploit her family days or even weeks after he had already killed the girl. Uncaring of how this killed four innocent people, from Daisy's mother dying from grief in premature labor with her new baby, to her father's [[DrivenToSuicide suicide]] and an innocent maid killing herself when she was falsely accused of complicity, Cassetti cares only for escaping justice and was so evil that even the heroic Poirot feels obliged to [[LetOffByTheDetective cover for his killers]].]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Miss Blanche and Adam Goodman are played by Creator/MirandaRaison and Creator/AdamCroasdell respectively, who may be better known to gamers as the voices of [[Characters/DragonAgeCassandraPentaghast Cassandra Pentaghast]] and [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Ignis Scientia]], respectively.

to:

** Miss Blanche and Adam Goodman from ''Cat Among the Pigeons'' are played by Creator/MirandaRaison and Creator/AdamCroasdell respectively, who may be better known to gamers as the voices of [[Characters/DragonAgeCassandraPentaghast Cassandra Pentaghast]] and [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Ignis Scientia]], respectively.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Miss Blanche and Adam Goodman are played by Creator/MirandaRaison and Creator/AdamCroasdell respectively, who may be better known to gamers as the voices of [[Characters/DragonAgeCassandraPentaghast Cassandra Pentaghast]] and [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Ignis Scientia]], respectively.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** ''Literature/TakenAtTheFlood'': [[spoiler:David Hunter is initially thought to be just a {{Jerkass}} at worst and a JerkWithAHeartOfGold at best. that is, until the truth is revealed. His AdaptationalVillainy turns him from a simple opportunist to someone who [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped]] simple farm-girl Eileen Corrigan until she was pregant and forced her to abort the baby so as to convince her that she was BeyondRedemption and put her under his control. He then detonates a bomb that kills dozens of totally innocent people, just so that he can murder his own sister and make Eileen take her place so that she could inherit a vast fortune. He forbids her from giving any of the money to anyone else, causing her to be unfairly hated by everyone involved, and drives her into morphine dependency, which almost results in her deliberately overdosing (just as he had planned). By the end of Poirot's explanation, he is so horrified and furious at what David has done and is capable of doing, he is almost reduced to spluttering. What is more, he never expresses a shred of genuine remorse for his actions and generally [[EvilFeelsGood relishes]] [[HateSink making others hate and fear him]]]].

to:

** ''Literature/TakenAtTheFlood'': [[spoiler:David Hunter is initially thought to be just a {{Jerkass}} at worst and a JerkWithAHeartOfGold at best. that is, until the truth is revealed. His AdaptationalVillainy turns him from a simple opportunist to someone who [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped]] simple farm-girl Eileen Corrigan until she was pregant pregnant and forced her to abort the baby so as to convince her that she was BeyondRedemption and put her under his control. He then detonates a bomb that kills dozens of totally innocent people, just so that he can murder his own sister and make Eileen take her place so that she could inherit a vast fortune. He forbids her from giving any of the money to anyone else, causing her to be unfairly hated by everyone involved, and drives her into morphine dependency, which almost results in her deliberately overdosing (just as he had planned). By the end of Poirot's explanation, he is so horrified and furious at what David has done and is capable of doing, he is almost reduced to spluttering. What is more, he never expresses a shred of genuine remorse for his actions and generally [[EvilFeelsGood relishes]] [[HateSink making others hate and fear him]]]].him]]. It is ultimately telling that he's the first culprit in the show to be shown executed rather than simply carried away for trial.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HollywoodHomely: Pauline Moran as Miss Lemon.

to:

* HollywoodHomely: Pauline Moran as Miss Lemon. The character is supposed to be plain-looking at best, while Moran was conventionally attractive even in episodes where she was clearly middle-aged.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* EnsembleDarkhorse: Mrs. Oliver is one of the most popular characters in the series despite appearing in only six episodes. It also helps that she fills the void left by Japp, Miss Lemon and Captain Hastings as Poirot's close friend and comic relief.

Added: 224

Changed: 64

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CantUnHearIt: Creator/DavidSuchet is the definitive version of Hercule Poirot.

to:

* CantUnHearIt: CantUnHearIt:
**
Creator/DavidSuchet is considered the definitive version of Hercule Poirot.Poirot, and that counts for his voice too.
** Similarly, few French Poirot fans imagine someone other than his dub actor, Creator/RogerCarel, voicing him.

Added: 1225

Removed: 1205

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Not approved by the thread or posted on the example list from what I know thus far (unless I miss something), and he actually does not deny Lynn Marchmont's proclamation that he loved her and would not put her in danger, meaning that he did love her


** ''Literature/TakenAtTheFlood'': [[spoiler:David Hunter is initially thought to be just a {{Jerkass}} at worst and a JerkWithAHeartOfGold at best. that is, until the truth is revealed. His AdaptationalVillainy turns him from a simple opportunist to someone who [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped]] simple farm-girl Eileen Corrigan until she was pregant and forced her to abort the baby so as to convince her that she was BeyondRedemption and put her under his control. He then detonates a bomb that kills dozens of totally innocent people, just so that he can murder his own sister and make Eileen take her place so that she could inherit a vast fortune. He forbids her from giving any of the money to anyone else, causing her to be unfairly hated by everyone involved, and drives her into morphine dependency, which almost results in her deliberately overdosing (just as he had planned). By the end of Poirot's explanation, he is so horrified and furious at what David has done and is capable of doing, he is almost reduced to spluttering. What is more, he never expresses a shred of genuine remorse for his actions and generally [[EvilFeelsGood relishes]] [[HateSink making others hate and fear him]]]].


Added DiffLines:

* MoralEventHorizon:
** ''Literature/TakenAtTheFlood'': [[spoiler:David Hunter is initially thought to be just a {{Jerkass}} at worst and a JerkWithAHeartOfGold at best. that is, until the truth is revealed. His AdaptationalVillainy turns him from a simple opportunist to someone who [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped]] simple farm-girl Eileen Corrigan until she was pregant and forced her to abort the baby so as to convince her that she was BeyondRedemption and put her under his control. He then detonates a bomb that kills dozens of totally innocent people, just so that he can murder his own sister and make Eileen take her place so that she could inherit a vast fortune. He forbids her from giving any of the money to anyone else, causing her to be unfairly hated by everyone involved, and drives her into morphine dependency, which almost results in her deliberately overdosing (just as he had planned). By the end of Poirot's explanation, he is so horrified and furious at what David has done and is capable of doing, he is almost reduced to spluttering. What is more, he never expresses a shred of genuine remorse for his actions and generally [[EvilFeelsGood relishes]] [[HateSink making others hate and fear him]]]].

Added: 828

Changed: 1626

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


** "Hallowe'en Party": [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Michael Garfield]] is the [[FauxAffablyEvil seemingly friendly]] garden caretaker for Rowena Drake but is in fact a narcissistic sociopath trying to [[InheritanceMurder obtain her family's inheritance]]. Seducing her and manipulating her to help him with his crimes, Michael killed Rowena's husband and helped her poison her aunt to help gain the inheritance. Michael then forced Leslie Ferrie to forge a fake will before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing him once he has it]]. When caught by Poirot, Michael tries to kill everyone present, including [[OffingTheOffspring his and Rowena's daughter]]. Despite Rowena genuinely loving Michael, Michael reveals he only used her for his own desires and planned to abandon her as a scapegoat for the crimes.]]

to:

** "Hallowe'en Party": ''Literature/TakenAtTheFlood'': [[spoiler:David Hunter is initially thought to be just a {{Jerkass}} at worst and a JerkWithAHeartOfGold at best. that is, until the truth is revealed. His AdaptationalVillainy turns him from a simple opportunist to someone who [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped]] simple farm-girl Eileen Corrigan until she was pregant and forced her to abort the baby so as to convince her that she was BeyondRedemption and put her under his control. He then detonates a bomb that kills dozens of totally innocent people, just so that he can murder his own sister and make Eileen take her place so that she could inherit a vast fortune. He forbids her from giving any of the money to anyone else, causing her to be unfairly hated by everyone involved, and drives her into morphine dependency, which almost results in her deliberately overdosing (just as he had planned). By the end of Poirot's explanation, he is so horrified and furious at what David has done and is capable of doing, he is almost reduced to spluttering. What is more, he never expresses a shred of genuine remorse for his actions and generally [[EvilFeelsGood relishes]] [[HateSink making others hate and fear him]]]].
** ''Literature/HalloweenParty'':
[[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Michael Garfield]] is the [[FauxAffablyEvil seemingly friendly]] garden caretaker for Rowena Drake but is in fact a narcissistic sociopath trying to [[InheritanceMurder obtain her family's inheritance]]. Seducing her and manipulating her to help him with his crimes, Michael killed Rowena's husband and helped her poison her aunt to help gain the inheritance. Michael then forced Leslie Ferrie to forge a fake will before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killing him once he has it]]. When caught by Poirot, Michael tries to kill everyone present, including [[OffingTheOffspring his and Rowena's daughter]]. Despite Rowena genuinely loving Michael, Michael reveals he only used her for his own desires and planned to abandon her as a scapegoat for the crimes.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
I don't think the story does make Mrs Lorrimer all that sympathetic - tragic, perhaps, but that's not the same thing. Simply having her not be murdered doesn't mean she's sympathetic - no-one 'deserves' to be murdered.


** Mrs Lorrimer from ''Literature/CardsOnTheTable'' is SparedByTheAdaptation, relieved of her terminal condition from the novel, and is treated more sympathetically by the narrative than her crime deserves. In the novel she does not reveal her motive for murdering her husband, but in the adaptation, she did it solely so that she could marry another man. (Why not just get divorced?) Poirot has no qualms about letting her go free, and she is EasilyForgiven by her daughter whose father she murdered. Shielding Anne worked well as a RedemptionEqualsDeath in the novel, but falls ''far'' short of justifying RedemptionEarnsLife here.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Mrs Lorrimer from ''Literature/CardsOnTheTable'' is SparedByTheAdaptation and is treated more sympathetically than her crime deserves. In the original novel she does not reveal her motive for murdering her husband, but in the adaptation, she did it solely so that she could marry another man. (Why not just get divorced?) Poirot has no qualms about letting her go free, and she is EasilyForgiven by her daughter.

to:

** Mrs Lorrimer from ''Literature/CardsOnTheTable'' is SparedByTheAdaptation SparedByTheAdaptation, relieved of her terminal condition from the novel, and is treated more sympathetically by the narrative than her crime deserves. In the original novel she does not reveal her motive for murdering her husband, but in the adaptation, she did it solely so that she could marry another man. (Why not just get divorced?) Poirot has no qualms about letting her go free, and she is EasilyForgiven by her daughter.daughter whose father she murdered. Shielding Anne worked well as a RedemptionEqualsDeath in the novel, but falls ''far'' short of justifying RedemptionEarnsLife here.

Added: 1659

Changed: 1242

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Downplayed in ''Literature/ThreeActTragedy'' with the murderer, [[spoiler:Sir Charles Cartwright]]. While the episode doesn't whitewash him for his crime, it really tries to elicit him some sympathy in a HowTheMightyHaveFallen / AlasPoorVillain / LoveMakesYouEvil kind of way. The problem is that [[spoiler:Sir Charles Cartwright]] may be one of the worst murderers of the Poirot stories, up there with the culprits of ''The ABC Murders'' or ''Evil Under the Sun''. Indeed, [[spoiler:his first murder was simply done because he wanted to do a rehearsal. Yes, a '''rehearsal''', in order to execute flawlessly the crime he wanted to do.]] He didn't do this with random people either; [[spoiler:he knew that the victim of this "rehearsal" was going to be one of his friends or acquaintances.]] He then proceeded to [[spoiler:[[MurderIsTheBestSolution murder]] his childhood friend in order to cover the fact that he had a crazy wife with whom he couldn't divorce, so he could marry the woman he loved.]] Finally, he [[spoiler:murders a stranger, a female patient at Strange's sanatorium, simply to create a false lead.]] And, after all this, the guy has the nerves to try to lie to his so-called true love and to blame Poirot for exposing him?

to:

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
**
Downplayed in ''Literature/ThreeActTragedy'' with the murderer, [[spoiler:Sir Charles Cartwright]]. While the episode doesn't whitewash him for his crime, it really tries to elicit him some sympathy in a HowTheMightyHaveFallen / AlasPoorVillain / LoveMakesYouEvil kind of way. The problem is that [[spoiler:Sir Charles Cartwright]] may be one of the worst murderers of the Poirot stories, up there with the culprits of ''The ABC Murders'' or ''Evil Under the Sun''. Indeed, [[spoiler:his first murder was simply done because he wanted to do a rehearsal. Yes, a '''rehearsal''', in order to execute flawlessly the crime he wanted to do.]] He didn't do this with random people either; [[spoiler:he knew that the victim of this "rehearsal" was going to be one of his friends or acquaintances.]] He then proceeded to [[spoiler:[[MurderIsTheBestSolution murder]] his childhood friend in order to cover the fact that he had a crazy wife with whom he couldn't divorce, so he could marry the woman he loved.]] Finally, he [[spoiler:murders a stranger, a female patient at Strange's sanatorium, simply to create a false lead.]] And, after all this, the guy has the nerves to try to lie to his so-called true love and to blame Poirot for exposing him? him?
** Mrs Lorrimer from ''Literature/CardsOnTheTable'' is SparedByTheAdaptation and is treated more sympathetically than her crime deserves. In the original novel she does not reveal her motive for murdering her husband, but in the adaptation, she did it solely so that she could marry another man. (Why not just get divorced?) Poirot has no qualms about letting her go free, and she is EasilyForgiven by her daughter.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Georgina Morley from "One, Two, Buckle My Shoe" is played by Creator/RosalindKnight, who would later be best known for playing Beryl Merit in ''Series/GimmeGimmeGimme'' and Horrible Grandma in ''Series/FridayNightDinner''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Magdalene in "Hercule Poirot's Christmas" is played by Creator/AndreeBernard, who would later be best known for playing Liz Burton in ''Series/{{Hollyoaks}}''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** A younger Creator/PeterCapaldi played Claude Langton in ''Wasps' Nest''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** The show's take on ''Murder on the Orient Express'' pulled zero punches. [[spoiler: The actual murder of Cassetti is very unsettling, with Princess Dragomiroff speaking to the half-conscious Cassetti as he is stabbed to death. Unique among the adaptations, you hear him groan and whimper after each blow]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Grammar


* HarsherInHindsight: This series’ adaptation of ''Literature/TheBigFour'' bears little resemblance to the source material, but features its villain [[spoiler: Claude Darrell]] concocting a vast scheme of murders, political destabilization, and false tips to journalist Lawrence Tysoe that essentially amount to “fake news” to whip up public fear of another war, all to distract from his obsessive pursuit of [[spoiler: Flossie Monroe, a woman he feels entitled to have despite her having clearly rejected him]]. This episode aired in 2013, but audiences can be forgiven for thinking it was made even a couple years later, as (save for the murders) [[spoiler: Darrell]] now comes off as a perfect representation of the worst of the post-2016 Trump era: entitled, controlling views of women fitting for an {{Incel}}, sowing public distrust through false information and slandering the reputations of more progressive figures, and being more than willing to attack anyone else who gets in their way. YMMV if Poirot’s resulting TheReasonYouSuckSpeech qualifies as ValuesResonance as well.

to:

* HarsherInHindsight: This series’ adaptation of ''Literature/TheBigFour'' bears little resemblance to the source material, but features its villain [[spoiler: Claude Darrell]] concocting a vast scheme of murders, political societal destabilization, and false tips to journalist Lawrence Tysoe that essentially amount to “fake news” to whip up public fear of another war, all to distract from his obsessive pursuit of [[spoiler: Flossie Monroe, a woman he feels entitled to have despite her having clearly rejected him]]. This episode aired in 2013, but audiences can be forgiven for thinking it was made even a couple years later, as (save for the murders) [[spoiler: Darrell]] now comes off as a perfect representation of the worst of the post-2016 Trump era: entitled, controlling views of women fitting for an {{Incel}}, incel, sowing public distrust through false information and slandering the reputations of more progressive figures, and being more than willing to attack anyone else who gets in their way. YMMV if As a result, Poirot’s resulting TheReasonYouSuckSpeech qualifies could qualify as ValuesResonance as well.

Top