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** Marnie's dislike of men and utter terror of being intimate with Mark have led to some people suggesting she might be a repressed lesbian. She has quite a bit of FoeYay with Lil to back it up.
** [[spoiler: The man that Marnie murdered as a child for assaulting her mother. The way the scene is shot makes it look possible that the sailor just meant to calm Marnie down when she was frightened by the thunderstorm, and a drunk Bernice mistook him for attempting to molest her. Notably in the flashback, Bernice is the one who first starts hitting him and he doesn't hit back until she's been doing it for quite a while. So what Marnie perceived as him attacking her mother could have been self-defence or some combination of both.]]
*** That is not an "alternate interpretation" but the standard one on Wikipedia.
** Marnie's dislike of men and utter terror of being intimate with Mark have led to some people suggesting she might be a repressed lesbian. She has quite a bit of FoeYay with Lil to back it up.
** [[spoiler: The man that Marnie murdered as a child for assaulting her mother. The way the scene is shot makes it look possible that the sailor just meant to calm Marnie down when she was frightened by the thunderstorm, and a drunk Bernice mistook him for attempting to molest her. Notably in the flashback, Bernice is the one who first starts hitting him and he doesn't hit back until she's been doing it for quite a while. So what Marnie perceived as him attacking her mother could have been self-defence or some combination of both.]]
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**AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Marnie's dislike of men and utter terror of being intimate with Mark have led to some people suggesting she might be a repressed lesbian. She has quite a bit of FoeYay with Lil to back it up.
** [[spoiler: The man that Marnie murdered as a child for assaulting her mother. The way the scene is shot makes it look possible that the sailor just meant to calm Marnie down when she was frightened by the thunderstorm, and a drunk Bernice mistook him for attempting to molest her. Notably in the flashback, Bernice is the one who first starts hitting him and he doesn't hit back until she's been doing it for quite a while. So what Marnie perceived as him attacking her mother could have been self-defence or some combination of both.]]
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** [[spoiler: The man that Marnie murdered as a child for assaulting her mother. The way the scene is shot makes it look possible that the sailor just meant to calm Marnie down when she was frightened by the thunderstorm, and a drunk Bernice mistook him for attempting to molest her. Notably in the flashback, Bernice is the one who first starts hitting him and he doesn't hit back until she's been doing it for quite a while. So what Marnie perceived as him attacking her mother could have been self-defence or some combination of both.]]
*** That is not an "alternate interpretation" but the standard one on Wikipedia.
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* AmbiguouslyBi: Lil loves Mark, but also seems to have some BelligerentSexualTension with Marnie.
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*** The reason given is that Mark wants her out of the house while he deals with Strut.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Mark goes to great efforts to track Marnie down and make her his. The entire portion of this film is very awkward to watch when you learn that it's also a reflection of how Tippi Hedren was treated during the making of it. Hitchcock hired people to follow her, micromanage every aspect of her life and eventually told her to make herself available sexually to him. When she refused, he responded by ruining her career.
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** Mark goes to great efforts to track Marnie down and make her his. The entire portion of this film is very awkward to watch when you learn that it's also a reflection of how Tippi Hedren was treated during the making of it. Hitchcock hired people to follow her, micromanage every aspect of her life and eventually told her to make herself available sexually to him. When she refused, he responded by ruining hercareer.career.
** Recent revelations about Sean Connery, and his statements in interviews, make the domestic violence angle a little too based in reality to be comfortable.
** Mark goes to great efforts to track Marnie down and make her his. The entire portion of this film is very awkward to watch when you learn that it's also a reflection of how Tippi Hedren was treated during the making of it. Hitchcock hired people to follow her, micromanage every aspect of her life and eventually told her to make herself available sexually to him. When she refused, he responded by ruining her
** Recent revelations about Sean Connery, and his statements in interviews, make the domestic violence angle a little too based in reality to be comfortable.
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* BrokenBase: Easily Creator/AlfredHitchcock's most divisive film. It's either a brilliant examination of psychosexual themes that was ahead of its time, or an overripe FreudWasRight melodrama with Creator/TippiHedren doing a bad Creator/GraceKelly impression.
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** When it came out, there were debates over whether ''Marnie'' had a SlowPacedBeginning and improved once the story got going - or else had a promising first half but went off the rails as soon as the marriage happened.
** Easily Creator/AlfredHitchcock's most divisive film. It's either a brilliant examination of psychosexual themes that was ahead of its time, or an overripe FreudWasRight melodrama with Creator/TippiHedren doing a bad Creator/GraceKelly
** When it came out, there were debates over whether ''Marnie'' had a SlowPacedBeginning and improved once the story got going - or else had a promising first half but went off the rails as soon as the marriage happened.
* HilariousInHindsight: Watch this and ''Film/HushHushSweetCharlotte'' back to back, and you'll find that Creator/BruceDern makes a habit of [[spoiler: being brutally murdered in the backstory of a mentally ill heroine]].
** Marnie's freakout when spilling ink on her blouse and her attempts at staying cool in the bathroom. She goes on and on about everyone making a fuss, when she had one of the most elaborate freakouts possible.
** The child actress playing Jessie is also quite extreme - resulting in a very unsubtle scene where it looks like Marnie, a grown woman is literally fighting with a child over her mother's attention.
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* PoorMansSubstitute: As in ''Film/TheBirds'', Creator/TippiHedren was the last of Hictchcock's attempts to find a substitute for Creator/GraceKelly.
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* PoorMansSubstitute: As in ''Film/TheBirds'', Creator/TippiHedren was the last of Hictchcock's attempts to find a substitute for Creator/GraceKelly. Creator/SeanConnery was likewise called a poor substitute for Creator/CaryGrant.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Marnie makes a very good point with the following line when Mark is trying to psychoanalyze her. Bear in mind, Mark's attitude to being conned is to track the culprit down and ''force her to marry him''. And he tries to make Marnie out to be the only one with issues.
--> "Oh, men! You say "no thanks" to one of them and BINGO! You're a candidate for the funny farm."
--> "Oh, men! You say "no thanks" to one of them and BINGO! You're a candidate for the funny farm."
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* ValuesDissonance: Mark rapes Marnie on their 'honeymoon', invoking the MaritalRapeLicence and never gets any comeuppance for this - and [[spoiler: Marnie even seems to fall for him for real in the end!]]
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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The old age make-up used on Louise Latham for the present day scenes. It was so convincing that when she appeared without it for the flashback scenes to Marnie's youth, most of the crew thought it was a different actress!
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* EarWorm: "Call for the doctor, call for the nurse. Call for the lady with the alligator purse" - Tippi Hedren made a habit out of doing scenes with catchy nursery rhymes in the background (see also "Risselty Rosselty" in ''Film/TheBirds'').
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* LesYay: Sometimes you get the impression that Lil wants to have Marnie to herself. It's even noticeable the very first time Lil sees "Mary Taylor" waiting to get interviewed for the job at Rutland, and asks "Who's the dish?"
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** Marnie's dislike of men and utter terror of being intimate with Mark have led to some people suggesting she might be a repressed lesbian. She has quite a bit of FoeYay with Lil to back itup.up.
** [[spoiler: The man that Marnie murdered as a child for assaulting her mother. The way the scene is shot makes it look possible that the sailor just meant to calm Marnie down when she was frightened by the thunderstorm, and a drunk Bernice mistook him for attempting to molest her. Notably in the flashback, Bernice is the one who first starts hitting him and he doesn't hit back until she's been doing it for quite a while. So what Marnie perceived as him attacking her mother could have been self-defence or some combination of both.]]
** Marnie's dislike of men and utter terror of being intimate with Mark have led to some people suggesting she might be a repressed lesbian. She has quite a bit of FoeYay with Lil to back it
** [[spoiler: The man that Marnie murdered as a child for assaulting her mother. The way the scene is shot makes it look possible that the sailor just meant to calm Marnie down when she was frightened by the thunderstorm, and a drunk Bernice mistook him for attempting to molest her. Notably in the flashback, Bernice is the one who first starts hitting him and he doesn't hit back until she's been doing it for quite a while. So what Marnie perceived as him attacking her mother could have been self-defence or some combination of both.]]
* EarWorm: "Call for the doctor, call for the nurse. Call for the lady with the alligator purse" - Tippi Hedren made a habit out of doing scenes with catchy nursery rhymes in the background (see also "Risselty Rosselty" in ''Film/TheBirds'').
* FridgeLogic: The house that Marnie stops at [[spoiler: when trying to MercyKill her horse]] doesn't have a phone. After Marnie's done the deed, Mark gets a call from Lil about it. So where did Lil phone from? Did she run around the area trying to find another house with a phone when it would be more practical to follow Marnie back to the house?
* FridgeLogic: The house that Marnie stops at [[spoiler: when trying to MercyKill her horse]] doesn't have a phone. After Marnie's done the deed, Mark gets a call from Lil about it. So where did Lil phone from? Did she run around the area trying to find another house with a phone when it would be more practical to follow Marnie back to the house?
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** The screen flashing red and Marnie's subsequent freakouts at these triggers are incredibly on the nose and un-subtle. They're up there with the infamous nightmare sequence from''{{Film/Vertigo}}''.''{{Film/Vertigo}}''.
** Most of Diane Baker's performance as Lil is ridiculously extreme. Of special note is her over-the-top attitude when she claims her hand is too sore to write.
* NarmCharm: Marnie slipping back into a southern accent while remembering her childhood trauma. It's a little silly but still works in the context of the scene.
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** Most of Diane Baker's performance as Lil is ridiculously extreme. Of special note is her over-the-top attitude when she claims her hand is too sore to write.
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** Marnie is forced to go on a fox hunting trip for no apparent reason in the third act. Strut and Mark aren't there, so she has no reason to go there, especially when she knows that the sight of blood could trigger. [[spoiler: Of course it does and it sets up a contrived moment where her horse gets injured jumping over a wall and has to be put down]].
** Lil's dislike of Marnie ultimately goes nowhere. All it amounts to is discovering that Marnie's mother is still alive and inviting Strut to a dinner party, which forces Marnie to admit to Mark that she's robbed other people. While these do affect the plot, both could have happened without Lil's help and she disappears in the third act - so her subplot is never given a decent payoff.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The sailor that [[spoiler: Marnie murdered to rescue her mother. It's not clear what he did to make Bernice start attacking him, but he seems to take a while before he finally fights back, making it look like Bernice jumped to a conclusion and he was merely defending himself. What's more is that Marnie killed him while he was defenceless]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Mark hasn't aged well as a protagonist, particularly his obsession with tracking Marnie down and trapping her in a marriage with him. While on the honeymoon, despite Marnie begging to be let go, [[spoiler: he actually rapes her and is never punished by the narrative for it.]]
* ValuesDissonance: Mark rapes Marnie on their 'honeymoon', invoking the MaritalRapeLicence and never gets any comeuppance for this - and [[spoiler: Marnie even seems to fall for him for real in the end!]]
** Marnie is forced to go on a fox hunting trip for no apparent reason in the third act. Strut and Mark aren't there, so she has no reason to go there, especially when she knows that the sight of blood could trigger. [[spoiler: Of course it does and it sets up a contrived moment where her horse gets injured jumping over a wall and has to be put down]].
** Lil's dislike of Marnie ultimately goes nowhere. All it amounts to is discovering that Marnie's mother is still alive and inviting Strut to a dinner party, which forces Marnie to admit to Mark that she's robbed other people. While these do affect the plot, both could have happened without Lil's help and she disappears in the third act - so her subplot is never given a decent payoff.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The sailor that [[spoiler: Marnie murdered to rescue her mother. It's not clear what he did to make Bernice start attacking him, but he seems to take a while before he finally fights back, making it look like Bernice jumped to a conclusion and he was merely defending himself. What's more is that Marnie killed him while he was defenceless]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Mark hasn't aged well as a protagonist, particularly his obsession with tracking Marnie down and trapping her in a marriage with him. While on the honeymoon, despite Marnie begging to be let go, [[spoiler: he actually rapes her and is never punished by the narrative for it.]]
* ValuesDissonance: Mark rapes Marnie on their 'honeymoon', invoking the MaritalRapeLicence and never gets any comeuppance for this - and [[spoiler: Marnie even seems to fall for him for real in the end!]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: Mark goes to great efforts to track Marnie down and make her his. The entire portion of this film is very awkward to watch when you learn that it's also a reflection of how Tippi Hedren was treated during the making of it. Hitchcock hired people to follow her, micromanage every aspect of her life and eventually told her to make herself available sexually to him. When she refused, he responded by ruining her career.
* HarsherInHindsight: Mark goes to great efforts to track Marnie down and make her his. The entire portion of this film is very awkward to watch when you learn that it's also a reflection of how Tippi Hedren was treated during the making of it. Hitchcock hired people to follow her, micromanage every aspect of her life and eventually told her to make herself available sexually to him. When she refused, he responded by ruining her career.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The sky and the ship in the background of the exterior shots in Baltimore are very obviously a painting. Even Hitchcock later admitted that it looked fake.
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** The consensus view these days is that, even though she lacks subtlety, Tippi Hedren does a good job conveying Marnie's wounded psyche and inner turmoil.
** An important role for Creator/SeanConnery, since it showed that he could be a strong leading man outside of Film/JamesBond
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** Creator/BruceDern, in only the third film of his career, as [[spoiler:the sailor who young Marnie killed after her mother's "bad accident"]].
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** Creator/BruceDern, in only the third film of his career, as [[spoiler:the sailor who young Marnie killed after he hit her mother]].
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* VindicatedByHistory: Opened to mixed reviews and decent-but-not-great box office in 1964. Now it's often considered Hitchcock's last great film (with ''Film/{{Frenzy}}'' as the main challenger for that title).
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** Marnie is basically a [[TheSociopath Sociopath]], but she's so screwed-up and gets so helpless when she encounters her various psychological triggers, you feel sorry for her.
** Her mother becomes one after you learn about her DarkSecret.
** Marnie is basically a [[TheSociopath Sociopath]], but she's so screwed-up and gets so helpless when she encounters her various psychological triggers, you feel sorry for her.
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