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** [[spoiler:The inciting incident of the Straw Hats being delayed so that Kid and Law can compete for the One Piece becomes this during the final arc, as the two of them were first pickings by Shanks and Blackbeard respectively and knocked them out of the race while the Straw Hats were preoccupied elsewhere.]]

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** [[spoiler:The The inciting incident of the Straw [[spoiler:Straw Hats being delayed so that Kid and Law can compete for the One Piece Piece]] becomes this during the final arc, as the [[spoiler:the two of them were first pickings by Shanks and Blackbeard respectively and knocked them out of the race while the Straw Hats were preoccupied elsewhere.]]
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** [[spoiler:The inciting incident of the Straw Hats being delayed so that Kid and Law can compete for the One Piece becomes this during the final arc, as the two of them were first pickings by Shanks and Blackbeard respectively and knocked them out of the race while the Straw Hats were preoccupied elsewhere.]]

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Some Anvils Need To Be Dropped is being dewicked. I'm not sure whether to add a note to the quote or anything.


* {{Anvilicious}}: The fic isn't particularly subtle about its messages about Mary Sues, but nevertheless has valid points to make. The author expresses it well in one author's note.
-->'''Phalanx''': "this story is in some ways a modern-day version of a dark fairy tale and it is in keeping with the tone of those kind of stories. They weren't particularly subtle about their aesops. If you're familiar with TV Tropes, there's one that goes 'Some Anvils Need to be Dropped'. I think this fic drops whole hailstorm of them."



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The fic isn't particularly subtle about its messages about Mary Sues, but nevertheless has valid points to make. The author expresses it well in one author's note.
-->'''Phalanx''': "this story is in some ways a modern-day version of a dark fairy tale and it is in keeping with the tone of those kind of stories. They weren't particularly subtle about their aesops. If you're familiar with TV Tropes, there's one that goes 'Some Anvils Need to be Dropped'. I think this fic drops whole hailstorm of them."

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In hindsight, since Madelyn didn't intend for Luffy to die, her decision to cause his arrest is selfish and extremely misguided, but not one that places her beyond redemption.


* MoralEventHorizon: Monkey D. Madelyn crossed it when she [[spoiler:manipulated events to get Luffy captured and executed, getting a large portion of his rescue party killed as well, all because she thought taking ''her brother'' out of the race to become Pirate King would make Law happy]]. Granted, she did so under the assumption that [[spoiler:Luffy's crew would succeed in rescuing him, albeit being delayed long enough for only Law and Kid to have a shot at finding One Piece]] and was [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified]] when things did not turn out as she had anticipated.
** St. Magnus the Tenryuubito probably crossed it many times over, but reading about his hobby of throwing people into tanks of piranhas and sharks just emphasizes just how twisted he is.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Monkey D. Madelyn crossed it when she [[spoiler:manipulated events to get Luffy captured and executed, getting a large portion of his rescue party killed as well, all because she thought taking ''her brother'' out of the race to become Pirate King would make Law happy]]. Granted, she did so under the assumption that [[spoiler:Luffy's crew would succeed in rescuing him, albeit being delayed long enough for only Law and Kid to have a shot at finding One Piece]] and was [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified]] when things did not turn out as she had anticipated.
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St. Magnus the Tenryuubito probably crossed it many times over, but reading about his hobby of throwing people into tanks of piranhas and sharks just emphasizes just how twisted he is.
%%* * SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Expressed by the author.The fic isn't particularly subtle about its messages about Mary Sues, but nevertheless has valid points to make. The author expresses it well in one author's note.
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Can you please actually say what the anvils are?


* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Expressed by the author.

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** Law's ArchEnemy is a Tenryuubito who is responsible for a sibling's death. This description applies just as well to Doflamingo as it does to Madelyn.



* MoralEventHorizon: Monkey D. Madelyn crossed it when she [[spoiler:manipulated events to get Luffy captured and executed, getting a large portion of his rescue party killed as well, all because she thought taking ''her brother'' out of the race to become Pirate King would make Law happy]]. Granted, she did so under the assumption that [[spoiler:Luffy's crew would succeed in rescuing him, albeit being delayed long enough for only Law and Kid to have a shot at finding One Piece]] and was horrified when things did not turn out as she had anticipated.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Monkey D. Madelyn crossed it when she [[spoiler:manipulated events to get Luffy captured and executed, getting a large portion of his rescue party killed as well, all because she thought taking ''her brother'' out of the race to become Pirate King would make Law happy]]. Granted, she did so under the assumption that [[spoiler:Luffy's crew would succeed in rescuing him, albeit being delayed long enough for only Law and Kid to have a shot at finding One Piece]] and was horrified [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified]] when things did not turn out as she had anticipated.
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* RelationshipSue: The main antagonist, Monkey D. Madelyn, seems to have this as her power.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The fic was written long before Trafalgar Law's backstory was revealed, but it still manages to resonate when Law's crew dies and you realize this is the ''third time'' he's lost his family.

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* HarsherInHindsight: The fic was written long before Trafalgar Law's backstory was revealed, but it still manages to resonate when Law's crew dies and you realize this is the ''third time'' he's lost '''''third time''''' his family.family has died right in front of him. No wonder he went nuts.
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* HaarsherInHindsight: The fic was written long before Trafalgar Law's backstory was revealed, but it still manages to resonate when Law's crew dies and you realize this is the ''third time'' he's lost his family.

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* HaarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight: The fic was written long before Trafalgar Law's backstory was revealed, but it still manages to resonate when Law's crew dies and you realize this is the ''third time'' he's lost his family.
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* HaarsherInHindsight: The fic was written long before Trafalgar Law's backstory was revealed, but it still manages to resonate when Law's crew dies and you realize this is the ''third time'' he's lost his family.
-->"No. Not my family. They're everything to me...I can't lose them."
-->Law did not smile. "I ''know''."
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** In the second chapter, it is mentioned in passing that Mar resented that her mother often felt as though she wasn't living up to her expectations. In Chapter 32, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Mar's mother was taken in by a woman who essentially helped reform her by being strict with her, and resolves to make sure that Mar isnt' spoiled like she was]].

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** In the second chapter, it is mentioned in passing that Mar resented that her mother often felt as though she wasn't living up to her expectations. In Chapter 32, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Mar's mother was taken in by a woman who essentially helped reform her by being strict with her, and resolves to make sure that Mar isnt' isn't spoiled like she was]].was]].



* TearJerker: All over the place. There are so many, it now has its own [[Tearjerker/MarieDSuesseAndTheMysteryNewPirateAge Tearjerker]] page.

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* TearJerker: All over the place. There are so many, it now has its own [[Tearjerker/MarieDSuesseAndTheMysteryNewPirateAge Tearjerker]] page.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Expressed by the author.
-->'''Phalanx''': "this story is in some ways a modern-day version of a dark fairy tale and it is in keeping with the tone of those kind of stories. They weren't particularly subtle about their aesops. If you're familiar with TV Tropes, there's one that goes 'Some Anvils Need to be Dropped'. I think this fic drops whole hailstorm of them."

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Moved the tearjerkers to the tearjerker page.


* TearJerker: All over the place. The fic's practically an {{Utsuge}}.
** All of Chapter 22 and 23, wherein {{Flashbacks}} reveal [[spoiler:which Straw Hats survived the failed attempt to save Luffy]].
*** Particularly bad was the ending of Chapter 23, where [[spoiler: Trafalgar Law finally accepts that Chopper died on the operating table on his watch, reflects on the irony of his BadassNickname "The Surgeon of Death", [[BlackHumor then loses it]] and breaks down laughing]].
** The in Chapter 25: [[spoiler: The Death of The Thousand Sunny. The worst part about it is that the ship is apologizing to Mar as it goes down because it failed to keep its end of their bargain. *sniff* Sunny!]]
** Chapter 29: [[spoiler: Red, who is actually a X. Drake, has been turned into a PeoplePuppet and ordered to kill Mar.]] He tells others present [[spoiler: to shoot him in the head]], because he doesn't want to go through with it but [[CanOnlyMoveTheEyes he can't do anything]] to [[ICannotSelfTerminate stop himself.]]
** Chapter 32: The price of [[spoiler:returning the OnePiece world to normal]] is [[spoiler:Mar's very existence]], and [[spoiler:the Suesse family]] is ''painfully'' aware of this.

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* TearJerker: All over the place. The fic's practically an {{Utsuge}}.
** All of Chapter 22 and 23, wherein {{Flashbacks}} reveal [[spoiler:which Straw Hats survived the failed attempt to save Luffy]].
*** Particularly bad was the ending of Chapter 23, where [[spoiler: Trafalgar Law finally accepts that Chopper died on the operating table on his watch, reflects on the irony of his BadassNickname "The Surgeon of Death", [[BlackHumor then loses it]] and breaks down laughing]].
** The in Chapter 25: [[spoiler: The Death of The Thousand Sunny. The worst part about
There are so many, it is that the ship is apologizing to Mar as it goes down because it failed to keep now has its end of their bargain. *sniff* Sunny!]]
** Chapter 29: [[spoiler: Red, who is actually a X. Drake, has been turned into a PeoplePuppet and ordered to kill Mar.]] He tells others present [[spoiler: to shoot him in the head]], because he doesn't want to go through with it but [[CanOnlyMoveTheEyes he can't do anything]] to [[ICannotSelfTerminate stop himself.]]
** Chapter 32: The price of [[spoiler:returning the OnePiece world to normal]] is [[spoiler:Mar's very existence]], and [[spoiler:the Suesse family]] is ''painfully'' aware of this.
own [[Tearjerker/MarieDSuesseAndTheMysteryNewPirateAge Tearjerker]] page.

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** In the second chapter, it is mentioned in passing that Mar resented that her mother often felt as though she wasn't living up to her expectations. In Chapter 32, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Mar's mother was taken in by a woman who essentially helped reform her by being strict with her, and resolves to make sure that Mar isnt' spoiled like she was]].



* JerkassWoobie: Monkey D. Madelyn can be seen as one; one reviewer pointed out that for everything she did, she's the end result of a badly written Mary Sue who wants to fulfill her dreams, [[WordOfGod an assessment the author agreed with]].

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* JerkassWoobie: Monkey D. Madelyn can be seen as one; one reviewer pointed out that for everything she did, she's the end result of a badly written Mary Sue who wants to fulfill her dreams, [[WordOfGod an assessment the author agreed with]].with]], as does Mar by the time that she [[spoiler:learns that Madelyn is her mother]].



** Chapter 29: [[spoiler: Red, who is actually a X. Drake, has been turned into a PeoplePuppet and ordered to kill Mar.]] He tells others present [[spoiler: to shoot him in the head]], because he doesn't want to go through with it but [[CanOnlyMoveTheEyes he can't do anything]] to [[ICannotSelfTerminate stop himself.]]

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** Chapter 29: [[spoiler: Red, who is actually a X. Drake, has been turned into a PeoplePuppet and ordered to kill Mar.]] He tells others present [[spoiler: to shoot him in the head]], because he doesn't want to go through with it but [[CanOnlyMoveTheEyes he can't do anything]] to [[ICannotSelfTerminate stop himself.]]]]
** Chapter 32: The price of [[spoiler:returning the OnePiece world to normal]] is [[spoiler:Mar's very existence]], and [[spoiler:the Suesse family]] is ''painfully'' aware of this.
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* BrokenBase: The LemonyNarrator attracts a small amount of controversy. Some people enjoy it, but a few are turned off by it and/or disagree with some of the observations.
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* StoicWoobie: Most of the main cast, with the exception of the Mar and Mr. Suesse, are this.

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* FridgeBrilliance: Similar to what one reviewer pointed out, Mar, by eating the Logic-Logic fruit, thus forfeits the chance to eat any other one, and with it, the opportunity to become a competent fighter, much less Mary Sue.



** Also a literal one in the early chapters.0

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** Also a literal one in the early chapters.0



-->'''Phalanx''': That is indeed one of the main themes of the story neatly summarised. I wanted this to be [[{{Deconstruction}} a more realistic and accurate reflection of what causes a Mary Sue]] instead of a usual bash-fic, and no, I don't believe that most of them are created to be deliberately malicious in nature. I honestly think most of them mean well but just really don't know any better. As another reader noted, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.0
* MoralEventHorizon: Monkey D. Madelyn crossed it when she [[spoiler:manipulated events to get Luffy captured and executed, getting a large portion of his rescue party killed as well, all because she thought taking ''her brother'' out of the race to become Pirate King would make Law happy]].

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-->'''Phalanx''': That is indeed one of the main themes of the story neatly summarised. I wanted this to be [[{{Deconstruction}} a more realistic and accurate reflection of what causes a Mary Sue]] instead of a usual bash-fic, and no, I don't believe that most of them are created to be deliberately malicious in nature. I honestly think most of them mean well but just really don't know any better. As another reader noted, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.0
intentions.
* MoralEventHorizon: Monkey D. Madelyn crossed it when she [[spoiler:manipulated events to get Luffy captured and executed, getting a large portion of his rescue party killed as well, all because she thought taking ''her brother'' out of the race to become Pirate King would make Law happy]]. Granted, she did so under the assumption that [[spoiler:Luffy's crew would succeed in rescuing him, albeit being delayed long enough for only Law and Kid to have a shot at finding One Piece]] and was horrified when things did not turn out as she had anticipated.

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** Also a literal one in the early chapters.

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** Also a literal one in the early chapters.0


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* JerkassWoobie: Monkey D. Madelyn can be seen as one; one reviewer pointed out that for everything she did, she's the end result of a badly written Mary Sue who wants to fulfill her dreams, [[WordOfGod an assessment the author agreed with]].
-->'''Phalanx''': That is indeed one of the main themes of the story neatly summarised. I wanted this to be [[{{Deconstruction}} a more realistic and accurate reflection of what causes a Mary Sue]] instead of a usual bash-fic, and no, I don't believe that most of them are created to be deliberately malicious in nature. I honestly think most of them mean well but just really don't know any better. As another reader noted, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.0
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** Chapter 29: [[spoiler: Red, who is actually a X. Drake, who has been turned into a PeoplePuppet and ordered to kill Mar.]] He tells others present [[spoiler: to shoot him in the head]], because he doesn't want to go through with it but [[CanOnlyMoveTheEyes he can't do anything]] to [[ICannotSelfTerminate stop himself.]]

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** Chapter 29: [[spoiler: Red, who is actually a X. Drake, who has been turned into a PeoplePuppet and ordered to kill Mar.]] He tells others present [[spoiler: to shoot him in the head]], because he doesn't want to go through with it but [[CanOnlyMoveTheEyes he can't do anything]] to [[ICannotSelfTerminate stop himself.]]
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*** Particularly bad was the ending of Chapter 23, where [[spoiler: Trafalgar Law finally accepts that Chopper died on the operating table on his watch, reflects on the irony of his BadassNickname "The Surgeon of Death", [[BlackHumor then loses it]] and breaks down laughing]]. ]]

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*** Particularly bad was the ending of Chapter 23, where [[spoiler: Trafalgar Law finally accepts that Chopper died on the operating table on his watch, reflects on the irony of his BadassNickname "The Surgeon of Death", [[BlackHumor then loses it]] and breaks down laughing]]. ]]

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** St. Magnus the Tenryuubito probably crossed it many times over, but reading about his hobby of throwing people into tanks of piranhas and sharks just emphasizes just how twisted he is.



** All of Chapter 22 and 23, wherein {{Flashbacks}} reveal [[spoiler:which Straw Hats survived the failed attempt to save Luffy]].

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** All of Chapter 22 and 23, wherein {{Flashbacks}} reveal [[spoiler:which Straw Hats survived the failed attempt to save Luffy]].Luffy]].
*** Particularly bad was the ending of Chapter 23, where [[spoiler: Trafalgar Law finally accepts that Chopper died on the operating table on his watch, reflects on the irony of his BadassNickname "The Surgeon of Death", [[BlackHumor then loses it]] and breaks down laughing]]. ]]
** The in Chapter 25: [[spoiler: The Death of The Thousand Sunny. The worst part about it is that the ship is apologizing to Mar as it goes down because it failed to keep its end of their bargain. *sniff* Sunny!]]
** Chapter 29: [[spoiler: Red, who is actually a X. Drake, who has been turned into a PeoplePuppet and ordered to kill Mar.]] He tells others present [[spoiler: to shoot him in the head]], because he doesn't want to go through with it but [[CanOnlyMoveTheEyes he can't do anything]] to [[ICannotSelfTerminate stop himself.]]
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** The {{Weapon Tombstone}}s provide several: one doesn't have a weapon, because the stones were clearly looted, and [[spoiler:Sanji fought with his feet]]. Chapter 22 also shows [[spoiler:their burials, with Usopp working on memorials the reader already knows will be destroyed]].


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* TearJerker: All over the place. The fic's practically an {{Utsuge}}.
** All of Chapter 22 and 23, wherein {{Flashbacks}} reveal [[spoiler:which Straw Hats survived the failed attempt to save Luffy]].
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* MoralEventHorizon: Monkey D. Madelyn crossed it when she [[spoiler:manipulated events to get Luffy captured and executed, getting a large portion of his rescue party killed as well, all because she thought taking ''her brother'' out of the race to become Pirate King would make Law happy]].
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* FridgeHorror: The story practically runs on it.
** Also a literal one in the early chapters.
* RelationshipSue: The main antagonist, Monkey D. Madelyn, seems to have this as her power.

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